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Michael Kieschnick

Michael Kieschnick

Posted: November 28, 2009 05:25 PM

Second Thoughts on the Obama Peace Prize

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If I were on the selection committee for the Peace Prize, I would be having buyer's remorse about the selection of Barack Obama. Far from emboldening the president, the prize seems to have given him comfort to move the country away from taking stands that meet our international obligations.

In the last few days, Mr. Obama has decided to dramatically escalate our presence in Afghanistan, and announced weak and inadequate global warming goals to bring to Copenhagen.

Faced with the unholy trinity of a stolen election by a corrupt Afghani president, domestic concern over rapidly rising fiscal deficits, and a public challenge by his handpicked general to send tens of thousands of additional troops or lose the war, Mr. Obama has gone with tens of thousands of additional troops. Without doubt, the new strategy will include tough new anti-corruption standards that are not worth the paper they are printed on. And the Administration is far more likely to pressure progressive members of Congress to vote to expand the war than it might threaten Blue Dogs who vote against deficit-reducing health care reform. At $1 million per soldier per year (ever wonder how much of that goes to the soldier and how much goes to corporate contractors?), the Afghanistan misadventure heralds an Obama era without money for many campaign promises.

Regardless of the escalation and the anti-corruption rhetoric, we will almost certainly still lose by any reasonable definition of loss. Yes, a surge might temporarily appear to create a victory, but the rural and patriarchal forces of reaction among Afghanis, like the Iraqi Shiites, are patient and measure progress in decades. We may call it a victory, having spent a trillion dollars and thousands of lives, but it will be a loss nonetheless. Not since Genghis Kahn has anyone successfully occupied Afghanistan. No sane analyst would call what we have accomplished in Iraq a victory.

The White House also recently announced that the president would visit the global warming summit at Copenhagen and deliver a message that the U.S. will commit to lowering our greenhouse emissions by 17%. For those in the know - which will include most people in Copenhagen, this will be deeply disturbing.

The International Panel on Climate Change has argued that the science indicates that the developed countries (of which the U.S. is by far the largest polluter) must reduce their 2020 greenhouse emissions by 25% to 40% from 1990 levels. The White House, and the House legislation that they are referring to, do the equivalent of lowering the basketball rim from ten to eight feet and say they are dunking. The White House says it can commit to lowering emissions 17% from the levels of 2005 - fifteen years and a great deal of added pollution from 1990. The U.S. press may not notice, but the rest of the world surely will.

And it was not a good day to be Sen. Barbara Boxer, whose global warming legislation passed out of committee with a 20% reduction. With her own president stating a 17% goal, her position is now toast.

One of the pernicious effects of the international gathering at Copenhagen has been that it has been used to generate immense pressure to compromise the science with the battle cry - legislation must be passed so that Copenhagen will not fail. The lobbyists for the coal and oil industries were successful in leveraging the desire to pass ANY legislation with weakening the already weakened targets.

And having praised legislation that does not remotely meet the targets the best scientists believe are necessary, the Administration was willing to bargain away their only trump card - the ability of the EPA to regulate greenhouse gases beyond that legislated by Congress. The House legislation eliminated that power in a backroom deal with Rep. Boucher, D (coal industry) without public notice or debate.

As a sad result, the 17% House/Obama goal, rather than being a floor for reduction became an upper limit. An upper limit which literally ensures that global warming will get worse - most likely terribly worse. And most perversely, of course, the worst damage from global warming will not fall on those of us in the United States which has caused most of the problem, but on those in the developing world who have done the least.

I continue to hope for the best for President Obama. The Nobel committee rolled the dice betting that several good speeches were the down payment on fighting for tough changes. They got an expanded war and a guaranteed to fail approach to global warming.

 
If I were on the selection committee for the Peace Prize, I would be having buyer's remorse about the selection of Barack Obama. Far from emboldening the president, the prize seems to have given him c...
If I were on the selection committee for the Peace Prize, I would be having buyer's remorse about the selection of Barack Obama. Far from emboldening the president, the prize seems to have given him c...
 
 
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CherokeeGirl
one pissed off Indian.
01:29 PM on 12/01/2009
Michael, you get it. You represent a business that "gets it" and you will be rewarded. Those who get that we need our corporations to work FOR the people and not against us, THEY will be rewarded. :)

I agree with what you are saying and I am beside myself with Obama. From hiring Dana Perino to getting ready to renew Bernenke to another 4 years, that and this and the other will be the last straws for me.

I'm going green party, and I invite all disillusioned dems to follow. I will not support a corporate dem party that trades away what is good for our country.

Please sign the petition on Change.org to get lobbyists out of the Ag department and join me there too. :)

http://food.change.org/actions/view/get_corporate_agriculture_out_of_the_white_house
10:41 PM on 11/29/2009
Obama should review the top nominees for this year's Noble Peace Prize, choose three to award prizes to, decline the award and announce he is instead splitting the award money with the three he chooses, with a speech explaining why they deserve it for things they have done. He has done nothing to deserve it and should change his unfortunate position into a platform to praise the work of deserving candidates.

This is what I have always thought. It has nothing to do with him or his ideas or this column. I have voted a straight Democratic slate for many years, so I obviously voted for him in this election (I used to think that I was an independent until I realized that I ended up voting for all Dems).
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ChicagoBob
Save the Earth-It's the only planet with chocolate
09:30 PM on 11/29/2009
Michael, you say we will still lose in Afghanistan.

I am still waiting for someone to tell me how 'win' is defined.
Some help, please. Anyone?
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RogHol
Unemployed&Proud(again)
09:39 PM on 11/29/2009
The aim will not be a "win".
The aim is "decent retreat", at least in Iraq.
About the 17%, well that's a good beginning, right?
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ChicagoBob
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10:05 PM on 11/29/2009
My point is the wing-nuts say we have to stay the course until we win, but they never define their terms.

Iraq is so far from anything I think of as 'win' I can not imagine a win in Afghanistan. We may want to win the hearts and minds of the people, but I doubt we could sustain that for very long.

Afghanistan is the closest thing to a "no-win" scenario I can think of.
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RogHol
Unemployed&Proud(again)
10:00 PM on 11/29/2009
And: "It's very easy to start a war, very hard to end it."
Just imagine what would happen if US and NATO withdraw all their troops.
07:35 PM on 11/29/2009
Preemptive strikes often don't work.
07:21 PM on 11/29/2009
AMERICANS LOVE THIER FREEDOM----ENOUGH SAID
10:12 PM on 11/29/2009
what freedom? remember Janis Joplin? Freedom is just another word for having nothing left to loose! Pretty soon we will have nothing left
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melissamsouza
07:01 PM on 11/29/2009
I really do wish people would give this President time to finish his job. It's been less than a year and people are talking as if it's been 4 years. This blog is becoming very disappointing to read and participate in. The degree of childishness and self-righteousness of these bloggers is mind-boggling. Maybe we should just go back to Bush and Co. ---this country is becoming ungovernable, so we might as well have the most mediocre and incompetent Presidents possible.
10:13 PM on 11/29/2009
He is finishing - at this rate he will finish America in his first term
06:07 PM on 11/29/2009
The Nobel committee are not the only ones to have rolled the dice with respect to Obama.
So did a lot of Democrats. So did a lot of Independents.
Look how it turned out.
Snake eyes.
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TheStreamAlwaysWins
06:24 PM on 11/29/2009
Who rolled the dice?
The candidate said, over and over, that he'd be fighting the war in Afghanistan if he were elected President because it was a just war; that Bush and his c horts took their eyes off the ball and made Afghanistan worse. That's what he said and the American people voted for his slate of ideas.
I refuse to become Palin-like and change the facts now.
10:14 PM on 11/29/2009
There are no just wars - BS
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Opygollopy
The more I talk to people, the more I love my dogs
04:43 PM on 11/29/2009
Michael, apparently, you are privy to all the reports that the President had to assess in making his decision, please enlighten us on the details. Being an armchair quarterback is fun isn't it, you do not have to back up criticisms with actual facts about the situation.

Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing as we have found out with the right wingnuts. The President as we have found out, does not make a decision willy nilly, he must have his reasons that he cannot disclose to the public (something about state secrets act). Eventually, it will come to light.

Americans have no patience, everything has to be NOW. They have no vision, everything is kneejerk decisions. Your president is nothing like that, he has vision, intelligence and is a masterful chess player.
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05:03 PM on 11/29/2009
Opygollopy, I'd love to know where you get YOUR facts upon which you base your amazing optimisim. Obama is no dummy, but smarter people have been wrong and there are strong indicators that Obama is far from infallible. As someone who remembers the Vietnam fiasco, I am never gonna buy into the 'they know more than we do' reasoning. Obama will fail in Afghanistan. He has shown a capacity for poor judgement of people and apparently listens to the wrong ones. The Nobel prize was a huge mistake and will become emblematic of how Obama's promise far outweighed what he was capable of delivering. I can easily imagine him being a one-termer and I was once one of his most ardent supporters.
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shamroc02
05:44 PM on 11/29/2009
With all due respect...not you or the writter of this topic are in any position to vote on this Presidents Nobel Peace Prize. Had you been listening during the election, you would have heard that Obama promised nothing less then what he is doing in AFGH. All this rhetoric about him not delivering are some knee-jerkers from the left that are upset that this President isn't going by thier complete agenda, when he told you this is what he was going to do in the first place with AFGH.

Opygollopy is right, a lot of you on this site are backseat drivers..have more then likely done nothing to contribute to the cause of getting America back on track other then give your one vote during the election of this President and thought the work ended there. I find it hard to beleive that you were once one of his most "ardent" supporters, yet act surprised by his decision about AFGH... I am an independent voter who voted for this President and still support him understanding that the decisions he has to make are bigger then him and anyone on this comment section giving their two cents of opinion (and thats all it is).
07:49 PM on 11/29/2009
How True, the "They know more than we do" mentality is the fast track to tyranny.
03:58 PM on 11/29/2009
This prize is now nothing but a sick joke! Fighting wars with soldiers of fortune and massive amounts of money and technology in Afghanistan and Iraq hardly qualifies you for a peace prize.
03:41 PM on 11/29/2009
The Peace Prize seems like a joke in view of the many strange past winners. It was certainly a disservice to Obama to grant it to him. If Obama decided to decline the prize and asked the committee to save it for a worthy candidate next year, I think Obama would have gained a lot of respect in the US and all over the world. So do it, please.
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shamroc02
05:49 PM on 11/29/2009
So he should decline an award he never asked for to apease some of you? For what? Theres nothing this President can do that will please everyone...so he needs to do what he's been doing, going along with his agenda. If some of you would spend half the time you spend watching this President actually helping get this country back on track this country could be well on its way by now. Who in the heck do some of you people, sitting behind a computer, think you are telling this President or any Nobel Peace Prize winner that they need to decline it? Half of you probably didn't even know who won the previous Nobel Prize before Googling it. Give me a break.
09:18 PM on 11/29/2009
As I said, he should decline and instantly gain a good amount of political capital as well as personal respect. I am Dutch and European, and would definitely have voted for Obama a year ago.
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RogHol
Unemployed&Proud(again)
09:51 PM on 11/29/2009
The price is given to, as I belive is approximately stated "someone who has signinficantly contributed to the cause of peace during the last year"
I believe Obama has done that and the committees writings looks ok:
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/press.html
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xtry51
03:11 PM on 11/29/2009
You could easily reduce CO2 emissions by mandating all coal power plants be replaced by nuclear power, but for some reason most people in the Green movement seem to be against this.

They instead seem to think that land based solar or wind power can replace our electric needs. Well they can't. At least not without themselves using huge expanses of land and disrupting local ecosystems.

Wind turbines slow air movement converting it to electricity. This has a direct impact on weather patterns.

Solar panels steal heat that would otherwise go to plants, animals and general heating of the Earth in that location and transporting/releasing it at point of use, likely to be hundreds of miles away, again likely changing local weather patterns.

Space based solar is an option, but a means of transmitting it safely and efficiently must be found. Even that solution brings with it a huge question of what happens when we start adding all of that extra trapped energy from space to Earth and dissipating it as heat (Real global warming?).
10:17 PM on 11/29/2009
Thermal Energy - no problem unlimited supply - get informed read Al Gore's book
01:35 PM on 11/29/2009
You can see that the right wingers are trying to have it both ways, just to mock Barack Obama. First, it was his campaign promise to "finish" the war in Afghanistan, while closing down Iraq's. Weeks ago, they were all here saying: "why is he dithering to send in more troops? Is it because of his Nobel Peace Prize?" Now that he might be on the verge of sending in more troops, they are all here again MOCKING him for his Nobel Prize about why a war President like him doesn't deserve one.

So, which one do you want? Which one are you satisfied with? It's very sad, but the Republican Party of today are a bunch of mediocre, irresponsible individuals who always shout and make noise without any reason. They don't know anything, but they think they do.

They preach fiscal responsibility, yet at the end of each president's tenure, their presidents raked up more debt than Democratic presidents. They preach family values; they have none. Majority of the recent marital infidelities are from Republican politicians. Their levity caused the 9/11 tragedy, yet they think they protect Americans better. They want to be pro-life and think fetuses should be protected, yet a lot of them voted against the bill for swine flu vaccines and are against ensuring that people have affordable health insurance. The sad thing is that Americans, many of whom are really dumb, let them get away with all these hypocritical conducts. Incredible!!!
02:41 PM on 11/29/2009
I am a left winger and I will mock Obama.

Nobel peace Prize for;

Increasing and continuing the war in Afganistan.

Continuing the war in Iraq.

Saying no to land mine banning treaty.

Delay in closing Gitmo.

Revelation we still have Gitmos on foreign soil.
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shamroc02
06:01 PM on 11/29/2009
Tell me this left winger...what have you done to contribute? I constantly hear some left wingers on this site complain about what Obama supposidly hasn't done for them in 10 months, yet you folks have done nothing but complain on this site since this President has gotten elected. You got out done by the tea baggers on the healthcare debate...they were taking to the streets while you all were complaining on the computer. No wonder this President repeats himself so much, you folks act like you only hear what you want to..He told you all a hundred times his plans for AFGH during the election, yet you continue to push your agenda on him.

The Iraq war has been scheduled to end by the end of next year, the agreement has already been settled...what world do some of you live in where you thought wars can just end the next day after him taking office? The delay in closing Gitmo is due to our congress not being able to agree on where to put the detainees..you do know that they have to have actual places to go right? Some of the critisisms of this President are far but most are not ok..its just a bunch of whining from either side of the isle. History is going to show how this President was treated by some people in this country..its embarrassing to witness.
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shutterbabe
“We can't stop here, this is bat country!”
01:26 PM on 11/29/2009
Michael Kieschnick article is a brave one and I thank him for his courage of convictions. I was surprised when President Obama was selected for the Peace Prize, despite the fact that I have been a hopeful supporter for "audacious change". His election was a historic act for our nation.

However, as we near the end of 2009 the underlying weaknesses of his novel beginnings are disturbing. The restructuring of our economy has resurrected Wall Street into a more dynamic force and has left the best of American's hungry and displaced. The inherited war in Afghanistan will officially become Obama's when thousands more troops will be deployed next week. Legislation for health care, gay marriage and global warming has not yet satisfied the masses.

Dreams are not enough. This is a vulnerable Presidency, which is a sad fact as Obama is an admirable man. If he declines the Peace Prize, postpones his acceptance until a time when our country is stronger, he will reclaim and exceed our expectations.
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05:08 PM on 11/29/2009
There are a few reasons why Obama will most definately NOT refuse to accept the Nobel. 1) He has already accepted it. 2) He is too cowardly to make the bold move to refuse it. And 3) He is too inflexible to do a 180 on this no matter what the developments - like escalating a war and not backing brave climate policies.
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shutterbabe
“We can't stop here, this is bat country!”
05:44 PM on 11/29/2009
Metivo your post is very thoughtful and in my opinion, right on target. I had always hoped that President Obama would refuse this honor as a man of principle. The award is a premature gesture. I cannot equate this prize with the notion of peace while the war in Afghanistan is escalating.

Whoever reads this, please do not make the assumption that I am on the other side of the political spectrum. I suspect in Obama's quieter moments, he knows that he is not ready to be the recipient of this prestigious acknowledgement.
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shamroc02
06:04 PM on 11/29/2009
Must be nice to sit behind a computer and call a President "cowardly". Some of you sound beyond ridiculous at this point. Get the heck off your computers and go contribute to this country already..
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1088
12:39 PM on 11/29/2009
HELLO! President Obama said during the campaign that he will pull out of Iraq and pursue the war in Afghanistan, remember? Many of you stop lying on the President and no, I haven't regretted my vote at all. Let see.. McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden? I think we got it right!!
06:20 PM on 11/29/2009
You haven't regretted your vote because you knowingly voted for someone who thinks that escalating the war in Afghanistan - and prolonging the war in Iraq - is a good idea.
So be happy. You got it right.
11:28 AM on 11/29/2009
I don't hope for the best for Obama. Maybe for his health. But do I want him to succeed as a president? In keeping things the way they were and calling that change?
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CherokeeGirl
one pissed off Indian.
02:05 PM on 12/01/2009
my thoughts exactly, I'm very disappointed with all of the red flags and ignoring the mainstream.