Michael Seitzman

Michael Seitzman

Posted: April 4, 2008 03:15 PM

Um....Rocky Lost. And Lying Is Like Farting.

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How is a lie like a fart? The only person laughing about it is the one who did it. (You can find that in the encyclopedia under, "whoever smelt it dealt it.")

If Hillary is like Rocky, as she keeps saying, then it must be because they both suffered brain damage after going too many rounds. That could be the only explanation as to why she could joke on Jay Leno about her Bosnia lie. Not incidentally, she added that in lying about taking sniper fire she merely "had a lapse." I can only assume she means a lapse in mental activity. Otherwise it would have to be one of the other big lapses: judgment, truth, and/or integrity?

"I had a lapse" is almost as laughable as last week's "I misspoke." I'm sorry, but misspeaking is what happens when you mean to say one thing but you say another by accident -- like when Bill said he "didn't have sexual relations with that woman" but really meant that he put a cigar in her vagina. Lying is when you say something you know to be false. Shameful is when you tell that lie repeatedly over many years. Shameless is when you joke about it as if it's something that just kinda happens. Like farting.

For you Clintonistas who still can't understand because you're too busy longing for the old days, as I once did, I'll use a helpful analogy from that era. Claiming you dodged sniper fire in order to give yourself street cred is kinda like when MC Hammer released a gangsta-rap album. Nobody bought it.

As for the Rocky analogy? Well, he did lose after 15 rounds to a charismatic black man. So there's that.

 
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- DeSwiss I'm a Fan of DeSwiss 27 fans permalink
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One word: SUPERB!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 04/07/2008
- TomR I'm a Fan of TomR 24 fans permalink
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Hey Michael,

I generally agree with your blog posting. I have a different take, though, on understanding shame.

Shame is about one's being. And guilt is about one's behavior.

Guilt: I must have done something wrong.
Shame: There must be something wrong with me.

Whether or not a person can feel healthy shame depends on their conscience. Character-­disordered people, like sociopaths, have little to no conscience and this hinders their ability to feel healthy shame or guilt, even if they wanted to.

Lying, a manipulation tactic, is a form of covert aggression. When a person uses a manipulation tactic on other people, that person is attempting to emotionally abuse those people by distorting their perception of reality away from the truth. Most people have used manipulation tactics at some point or another, so these tactics are not only used by sociopaths. It's important to point out, though, when you observe a pattern of this mentally unhealthy behavior in a person.

So the thing to keep in mind: we are not all necessarily wired the same way.

http://www.theyoungturks.com/story/2008/3/8/103948/4418/Diary/Fighting-Effectively-Against-Dirty-Rovian-Tactics

- Tom

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 04/06/2008
- olderdem I'm a Fan of olderdem 9 fans permalink

Clinton philosophy -- if you tell a lie and no one knows its a lie, or no one can prove its a lie, then its OK. If there is a video or audio tape or a stained dress exposing the lie, then apologize. Most Democrats will forgive us because we are the Clintons. How many more years of this crap does the country want?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 04/06/2008
- AC500 I'm a Fan of AC500 5 fans permalink


Just what we need ... someone who has "lapses" answering the phone at 3 a.m.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 04/06/2008

A girl with a lot of experience, she’s been around the block a few times, has a few miles on her, has some real battle scars…oops, what's that smell? Oh, that last one was just a brain fart.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 04/06/2008
- PLUMPLUM I'm a Fan of PLUMPLUM 3 fans permalink

Here, excuse me. The farts messed up my English.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 04/05/2008
- Syco I'm a Fan of Syco 4 fans permalink
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I'm so glad someone else noticed that too

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 04/05/2008
- julieeiluj I'm a Fan of julieeiluj 3 fans permalink

Is it ok to say fart in these forums?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 04/05/2008

Apparently she's just been caught again on the pregnant woman with no insurance story.

As reported elsewhere in HuffPost, while it's true that both the woman and the baby died, the woman was not refused treatment by the hospital, and she did in fact have insurance.

This kind of crap does nothing but set back the cause of health insurance reform for the entire country. Can you imagine what Republicans would do with this if Hillary is the nominee and tries to talk about health care reform? For them it would just be more proof that our health care system is just fine as it is.

In the end Hillary's lies will not just come back to bite her, but the entire country. If this scenario sounds familiar, just Google George W. Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 04/05/2008

To be fair, this wasn't a calculated lie, like most of Clinton's other lies. Neither was the Obama/Canada NAFTA flap, I think. It's simply that - out of sheer ugly desperation - the Clinton campaign seizes unthinkingly upon anything it thinks it can fling at the opposition. Very much like the poor monkey at the zoo, flinging its own feces about for the entertainment of visiting school-children.

On the other hand, there are PLENTY of calculated lies from the pant-suited cancer-upo­n-our-part­y candidate: Her opposition to NAFTA, her 35 years of "experience" (without mention of being fired for dishonesty and lack of ethics), her explanations of her 2 pro-war votes, her explanation of her Kyl-Lieberman vote, her claims of Heroism and diplomatic accomplishment overseas, etc. etc. etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 04/05/2008

dont be silly...she never say's anything that is'nt calculated even when she stumbles

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 04/06/2008
- indc I'm a Fan of indc 16 fans permalink

They are both compulsive, chronic liars... why anyone would want more of this behavior after Bush, Clinton, Bush is very difficult to understand and seems quite irrational to elect known liars who obviously have profiteered from public office to high public office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 04/05/2008
- ariadne1 I'm a Fan of ariadne1 2 fans permalink

it seems as though lying is not a newly aquired taste...

Watergate-Era Judiciary Chief of Staff: Hillary Clinton Fired For Lies, Unethical Behavior

http://www.northstarwriters.com/dc163.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 04/05/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 641 fans permalink
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"Shameless is when you laugh about it, as though it is something that just happens."
Indeed!
This is the 3rd time in as many months that I have seen her do that, laugh it off, like it's a joke. It is so insultive and disgusting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 04/05/2008
- debwarot I'm a Fan of debwarot 10 fans permalink

I agree. It is as if she thinks that by making light of her lies they are transformed into humor and are no longer lies. I don't particularly like being lied to, but I truly resent being lied to a second time and insulted in this manner.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 04/05/2008
- halyscomet I'm a Fan of halyscomet 7 fans permalink

Absolutely, KG.

HRC and Bill must laugh at there ability to lie with consistency and millions remain willing to overlook it. They DO depend on the gullible.

Comet

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 04/05/2008
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This piece is crude and distasteful.

Social standards aside, admissible only from someone of the highest moral and ethical standing. Someone who's never been swept away in their own verbalizations and embellished the absolute truth in what they're relating.

I haven't many such people in my extended life. Have you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 04/05/2008
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I haven't MET many.... Sorry

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 04/05/2008
- Aleka I'm a Fan of Aleka 14 fans permalink

Well the difference seems to be that she is running for president.

Normal people DO embellish. But there is a difference between embellishing and outright making things up.

People do not normally make things up. If they do, especially for personal gain, people DO notice and the exact same thing happens - they are labelled as habitual liars and their credibility forever takes a hit.

You seem to think this is on a par with "Uncle George's" tall fishing tales, harmless. But Uncle George is not running for president, he is running for "most entertaining tale to tell fishing cronies." There is a difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 04/05/2008
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Yes, harmless in the long run, the same way that Obama's exaggerations are:

1. Obama claimed credit for nuclear leak legislation that never passed.
2. Obama misspoke about his being conceived because of Selma.
3. Sen. Obama took too much credit for his community organizing efforts.
4. Obama's assertion that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing 'strains credulity.' "
5. Obama was forced to revise his assertion that lobbyists 'won't work in my White House.'
6. 'Selective, embellished and out-of-context quotes from newspapers pump up Obama's health plan.'
7. Sen. Obama said 'I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage,' but Obama health care legislation merely set up a task force.
8. 'Obama…seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he made' on ethics reform.
9. Obama drastically overstated Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance.
10. From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama claims to have served as a professor in the Law School.

see http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/30/231735/348 for details.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 04/05/2008
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I meet people who embellish stories a little bit.

Saying "I used to walk 2 miles to school" when one only walked ONE mile is an EMBELLISHMENT or exaggeration.

Lying is making up a completely phony story such as "we arrived using evasive maneuvers and had to dodge sniper fire while running to our vehicles".

Repeated lying is telling the same lie over and over on the campaign trail as Hillary has done.

Shameless lying is lies that are told to cover up your exposed lie - as Hillary has now done many times: "I misspoke, I had a lapse, I was sleep deprived", etc, etc.

Truly despicable is then making your lie into a joke on a comedy show when people were really dying in Bosnia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 04/05/2008
- JFB I'm a Fan of JFB 4 fans permalink

Barack Obama’s response to the recent Rev. Wright revelations was to stand before the American people and to give a speech that was hailed by almost everyone as remarkable in its contribution to racial understanding and healing in this country.

Mrs. Bill Clinton’s response to being caught out in a flagrant and repeated lie about being under sniper fire in Bosnia has been to say she misspoke, had a lapse, and then to make a pathetic joke out of it on national television.

There could not possibly be a greater contrast between the integrity of these two candidates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 04/05/2008

This is as bad as King George making fun about the weapons of mass destruction at an elite dinner event. Every time I try to reconciliate my feelings about voting for her just to get a democrat in the white house she keeps saying thnings even more revolting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 04/05/2008
- estreya I'm a Fan of estreya 7 fans permalink

I agree. She reminds me more of Bush with each passing day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 04/05/2008
- Dvmx I'm a Fan of Dvmx 2 fans permalink

especially since she's apparently won over Limbaugh and Scaife

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 04/05/2008
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