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Posted 12:50 AM on 04/07/2008
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Um....Rocky Lost. And Lying Is Like Farting.
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How is a lie like a fart? The only person laughing about it is the one who did it. (You can find that in the encyclopedia under, "whoever smelt it dealt it.")
If Hillary is like Rocky, as she keeps saying, then it must be because they both suffered brain damage after going too many rounds. That could be the only explanation as to why she could joke on Jay Leno about her Bosnia lie. Not incidentally, she added that in lying about taking sniper fire she merely "had a lapse." I can only assume she means a lapse in mental activity. Otherwise it would have to be one of the other big lapses: judgment, truth, and/or integrity?
"I had a lapse" is almost as laughable as last week's "I misspoke." I'm sorry, but misspeaking is what happens when you mean to say one thing but you say another by accident -- like when Bill said he "didn't have sexual relations with that woman" but really meant that he put a cigar in her vagina. Lying is when you say something you know to be false. Shameful is when you tell that lie repeatedly over many years. Shameless is when you joke about it as if it's something that just kinda happens. Like farting.
For you Clintonistas who still can't understand because you're too busy longing for the old days, as I once did, I'll use a helpful analogy from that era. Claiming you dodged sniper fire in order to give yourself street cred is kinda like when MC Hammer released a gangsta-rap album. Nobody bought it.
As for the Rocky analogy? Well, he did lose after 15 rounds to a charismatic black man. So there's that.
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Hey Michael,
I generally agree with your blog posting. I have a different take, though, on understanding shame.
Shame is about one's being. And guilt is about one's behavior.
Guilt: I must have done something wrong.
Shame: There must be something wrong with me.
Whether or not a person can feel healthy shame depends on their conscience. Character-disordered people, like sociopaths, have little to no conscience and this hinders their ability to feel healthy shame or guilt, even if they wanted to.
Lying, a manipulation tactic, is a form of covert aggression. When a person uses a manipulation tactic on other people, that person is attempting to emotionally abuse those people by distorting their perception of reality away from the truth. Most people have used manipulation tactics at some point or another, so these tactics are not only used by sociopaths. It's important to point out, though, when you observe a pattern of this mentally unhealthy behavior in a person.
So the thing to keep in mind: we are not all necessarily wired the same way.
http://www.theyoungturks.com/story/2008/3/8/103948/4418/Diary/Fighting-Effectively-Against-Dirty-Rovian-Tactics
- Tom
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Posted 03:16 PM on 04/06/2008
Clinton philosophy -- if you tell a lie and no one knows its a lie, or no one can prove its a lie, then its OK. If there is a video or audio tape or a stained dress exposing the lie, then apologize. Most Democrats will forgive us because we are the Clintons. How many more years of this crap does the country want?
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Posted 02:48 PM on 04/06/2008
Just what we need ... someone who has "lapses" answering the phone at 3 a.m.
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Posted 01:41 PM on 04/06/2008
A girl with a lot of experience, she"s been around the block a few times, has a few miles on her, has some real battle scars¦oops, what's that smell? Oh, that last one was just a brain fart.
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Posted 10:46 AM on 04/06/2008
Here, excuse me. The farts messed up my English.
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Posted 06:43 PM on 04/05/2008
I'm so glad someone else noticed that too
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Posted 03:09 PM on 04/05/2008
Is it ok to say fart in these forums?
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Posted 01:42 PM on 04/05/2008
Apparently she's just been caught again on the pregnant woman with no insurance story.
As reported elsewhere in HuffPost, while it's true that both the woman and the baby died, the woman was not refused treatment by the hospital, and she did in fact have insurance.
This kind of crap does nothing but set back the cause of health insurance reform for the entire country. Can you imagine what Republicans would do with this if Hillary is the nominee and tries to talk about health care reform? For them it would just be more proof that our health care system is just fine as it is.
In the end Hillary's lies will not just come back to bite her, but the entire country. If this scenario sounds familiar, just Google George W. Bush.
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Posted 01:39 PM on 04/05/2008
To be fair, this wasn't a calculated lie, like most of Clinton's other lies. Neither was the Obama/Canada NAFTA flap, I think. It's simply that - out of sheer ugly desperation - the Clinton campaign seizes unthinkingly upon anything it thinks it can fling at the opposition. Very much like the poor monkey at the zoo, flinging its own feces about for the entertainment of visiting school-children.
On the other hand, there are PLENTY of calculated lies from the pant-suited cancer-upon-our-party candidate: Her opposition to NAFTA, her 35 years of "experience" (without mention of being fired for dishonesty and lack of ethics), her explanations of her 2 pro-war votes, her explanation of her Kyl-Lieberman vote, her claims of Heroism and diplomatic accomplishment overseas, etc. etc. etc.
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Posted 02:33 PM on 04/05/2008
dont be silly...she never say's anything that is'nt calculated even when she stumbles
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Posted 01:10 AM on 04/06/2008
I agree with ChimpmasterDJ. The only reason this unvetted story is out there is because of the Bosnia Lie and the Clinton's history of challenges with truth.
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Posted 10:36 AM on 04/07/2008
They are both compulsive, chronic liars... why anyone would want more of this behavior after Bush, Clinton, Bush is very difficult to understand and seems quite irrational to elect known liars who obviously have profiteered from public office to high public office.
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Posted 12:59 PM on 04/05/2008
it seems as though lying is not a newly aquired taste...
Watergate-Era Judiciary Chief of Staff: Hillary Clinton Fired For Lies, Unethical Behavior
http://www.northstarwriters.com/dc163.htm
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Posted 12:45 PM on 04/05/2008
"Shameless is when you laugh about it, as though it is something that just happens."
Indeed!
This is the 3rd time in as many months that I have seen her do that, laugh it off, like it's a joke. It is so insultive and disgusting.
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Posted 11:58 AM on 04/05/2008
Absolutely, KG.
HRC and Bill must laugh at there ability to lie with consistency and millions remain willing to overlook it. They DO depend on the gullible.
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Posted 04:39 PM on 04/05/2008
I agree. It is as if she thinks that by making light of her lies they are transformed into humor and are no longer lies. I don't particularly like being lied to, but I truly resent being lied to a second time and insulted in this manner.
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Posted 01:11 PM on 04/05/2008
This piece is crude and distasteful.
Social standards aside, admissible only from someone of the highest moral and ethical standing. Someone who's never been swept away in their own verbalizations and embellished the absolute truth in what they're relating.
I haven't many such people in my extended life. Have you?
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Posted 11:12 AM on 04/05/2008
I meet people who embellish stories a little bit.
Saying "I used to walk 2 miles to school" when one only walked ONE mile is an EMBELLISHMENT or exaggeration.
Lying is making up a completely phony story such as "we arrived using evasive maneuvers and had to dodge sniper fire while running to our vehicles".
Repeated lying is telling the same lie over and over on the campaign trail as Hillary has done.
Shameless lying is lies that are told to cover up your exposed lie - as Hillary has now done many times: "I misspoke, I had a lapse, I was sleep deprived", etc, etc.
Truly despicable is then making your lie into a joke on a comedy show when people were really dying in Bosnia.
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Posted 04:29 PM on 04/05/2008
Well the difference seems to be that she is running for president.
Normal people DO embellish. But there is a difference between embellishing and outright making things up.
People do not normally make things up. If they do, especially for personal gain, people DO notice and the exact same thing happens - they are labelled as habitual liars and their credibility forever takes a hit.
You seem to think this is on a par with "Uncle George's" tall fishing tales, harmless. But Uncle George is not running for president, he is running for "most entertaining tale to tell fishing cronies." There is a difference.
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Posted 01:06 PM on 04/05/2008
Yes, harmless in the long run, the same way that Obama's exaggerations are:
1. Obama claimed credit for nuclear leak legislation that never passed.
2. Obama misspoke about his being conceived because of Selma.
3. Sen. Obama took too much credit for his community organizing efforts.
4. Obama's assertion that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing 'strains credulity.' "
5. Obama was forced to revise his assertion that lobbyists 'won't work in my White House.'
6. 'Selective, embellished and out-of-context quotes from newspapers pump up Obama's health plan.'
7. Sen. Obama said 'I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage,' but Obama health care legislation merely set up a task force.
8. 'Obama¦seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he made' on ethics reform.
9. Obama drastically overstated Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance.
10. From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama claims to have served as a professor in the Law School.
see http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/30/231735/348 for details.
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Posted 01:33 PM on 04/05/2008
If you would have read the post here the other day, you would have found out he was a Law Professor. What else have yo got besides your drival ? LOL Sounds like one of many Hillary voters. All you have to do is read and you will find out the truth there Geezer.
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Posted 06:17 PM on 04/05/2008
Yes, and don't forget, he "seemed to" decieve some hapless ABC reporter, who smelled cigarette smoke on him. Shockingly, Obama "may have" snuck a smoke and NOT told his campaign!
So...yes...wow. Nitpicking inconsistencies and blowing them WAY up out of proportion, which seems to be the Clinton fan's number one pasttime, is right up there with bald faced lying -FROM PREPARED STATEMENTS- 3-4 times.
You just show your own lack of objective reasoning.
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Posted 02:48 PM on 04/05/2008
Do even believe your own argument? This is the hillary anti-Obama talking points list.
I mean "Obama seemed to exaggerate"....ooooh my, what nefarious thing will obama seem to exaggerate next?
You are trying to muddy the waters around Hillary compulsive whopper telling.
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Posted 02:02 PM on 04/05/2008
I haven't MET many.... Sorry
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Posted 12:21 PM on 04/05/2008
Barack Obama"s response to the recent Rev. Wright revelations was to stand before the American people and to give a speech that was hailed by almost everyone as remarkable in its contribution to racial understanding and healing in this country.
Mrs. Bill Clinton"s response to being caught out in a flagrant and repeated lie about being under sniper fire in Bosnia has been to say she misspoke, had a lapse, and then to make a pathetic joke out of it on national television.
There could not possibly be a greater contrast between the integrity of these two candidates.
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Posted 11:08 AM on 04/05/2008
This is as bad as King George making fun about the weapons of mass destruction at an elite dinner event. Every time I try to reconciliate my feelings about voting for her just to get a democrat in the white house she keeps saying thnings even more revolting.
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Posted 10:52 AM on 04/05/2008
I agree. She reminds me more of Bush with each passing day.
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Posted 12:28 PM on 04/05/2008
especially since she's apparently won over Limbaugh and Scaife
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Posted 01:07 PM on 04/05/2008
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought it was odd seeing someone joke about her own lie. It's one thing to joke about a mistake or an indiscretion. But this was just a strange attempt at self-effacing humor. Now, if she had said, "Y'know Jay, I admit it, I exaggerated just a little...but what politician doesn't? Am I right?"
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Posted 10:39 AM on 04/05/2008
"But what politician doesn't...am I right?" I STILL would have been insulted by that excuse, but it would have been better than her affect on Leno.
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Posted 12:02 PM on 04/05/2008
Hey Rocky,
Game over.
For the love of the Democratic Party and our Nation, BOW OUT NOW.
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Posted 10:17 AM on 04/05/2008
We have a phenominal candidate in Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton has managed to convince a lot of people that he's not worthy. She's good. I have to give her credit. Who else could smear a near perfect candidate as handily as she has? And yet with all her negativity and baggage, not to mention her lying and dirty politics, and the fact that her husband was impeached; she's still seen as a contender after losing for so long by so many points. WOW. I haven't seen this kind of political brillance since the current nit-wit president managed to convince Americans to vote for him twice. Either they are two brilliant politicians, or the American voters are idiots. Maybe a little of both I guess.
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Posted 10:07 AM on 04/05/2008
I like your comment, but would never use the word 'brilliant' to describer Hillary or Shrub. Perhaps 'well-schooled in the practical application of deceit', or simply 'Machiavellian.'
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Posted 09:59 PM on 04/05/2008
Good point
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Posted 02:21 PM on 04/06/2008
Great post.
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Posted 03:34 PM on 04/05/2008
nobody would mind Hillary staying hopelessly in the race if she attacked McCain instead of Obama. Instead she praises McCain and disparages not only Obama but the renewal movement he has created, which is exactly what we need. Her ambition above all else, including the country's welfare.
Do we really want Bill and Hillary back in the White House, slicing and dicing the truth, him wagging the Monica finger at us not to be fooled by hope, her cackling away about her mis-speaks?
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Posted 01:11 PM on 04/05/2008
Very well stated!
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Posted 01:07 PM on 04/05/2008
It all seems to come back and slap her in the face, though. IDT she's really getting away with it.
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Posted 12:03 PM on 04/05/2008
The point of "Rocky" is going the distance. Which it seems is what Hillary is trying to do.
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Posted 10:06 AM on 04/05/2008
I agree. But to what end?
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Posted 10:23 AM on 04/05/2008
The finish. Obama will never knock her out, by now you must all realize that. He'll have to go the distance, because she's planning on making the trek.
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Posted 12:27 AM on 04/06/2008
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