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Posted: April 16, 2010 05:09 AM

Tea Party Demographics

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Reading about the NYT poll on the makeup of the Tea Party, the most interesting data (beyond the anti-poor, anti-black sentiment) was that Tea Party members are wealthier and better educated than the general public. (The poll pegged their numbers at eighteen percent of the American public -- primarily Republican, white, male, married and over forty-five.)

If that's the case, you have to wonder how much the photos we've seen over and over, represented by the folks in these Huffpost slideshows or "the Teabonics element" have been much less reflective of the overall group. Of course, "stupid" sells, right? ...Which is not to say, of course, that there is the highest correlation between education and, at least, social intelligence in this swath of the public.

If we can assume just from looking, though, perhaps this crowd shot, taken last week in Illinois, gets the demographics about right?

For a breakdown of the latest visual spin, visit BAGnewsNotes.com.

(Scott Olson/Getty Images. caption: Tea Party supporters listen to speakers at a rally for the Tea Party Express national tour during a stop at Davis Park on April 6, 2010 in Rockford, Illinois. The Tea Party Express members are on a cross-country tour to rally support for the Tea Party agenda including their conservative causes and candidates.)

 

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08:42 AM on 04/21/2010
Following his vote for the national health care plan, Indiana Democratic Congressman
Brad Ellsworth's support remains stuck in the low 30s, while two of his Republican
opponents now earn 50% or more of the vote in Indiana’s U.S. Senate race.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of likely voters in Indiana finds
that 65% favor repeal of the recently passed health care law. Just 29% in the
state oppose repeal. Those findings include 56% who strongly favor repeal
versus 21% who strongly oppose it.


The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of likely voters in Pennsylvania
shows Specter earning 40% of the vote, a level he’s held steady at since the
first of the year. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent
(6%) are undecided.

Toomey this month also makes his strongest showing to date against Specter’s
Democratic Primary challenger, Congressman Joe Sestak. Toomey picks up 47%
support to Sestak’s 36%. Given this match-up, five percent (5%) like another
candidate, and 12% are undecided.

53% of Pennsylvania voters say the recently passed
health care plan is bad for the country and just 36% think its impact will
be good. In June of last year, before the health care debate began in earnest,
Specter had an eleven-point advantage over Toomey. Support for the senator
plummeted to 36% in August after his town hall meetings with Pennsylvania
voters angry over the specifics of the health care plan. Since then, support
for Specter has never risen above 42%.
01:29 PM on 04/20/2010
The tea party is growing so fast that the media can't stop it, the democrats rage over it, and no one it able to belittle it enough to make a difference.

Kind of makes you wonder if this movement will end up changing America....

Hope so
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Yellowstonedemocrat
lives in Yellowstone
08:18 PM on 04/20/2010
Hope not.
10:00 PM on 04/21/2010
Um...you know that 18% is NOT a majority, right? It's not even close. It's not even 1/5. And you people ACTUALLY think that everyone in this country is on your side.
The Notorious PDF
Keen Observer
11:08 AM on 04/20/2010
The New York Times poll included people who identify or sympathize with the stated cause and goals of the so-called tea-party. There was a study out just a few weeks ago showing that most of the teabaggers--the people who actually attend these rallies, etc.,--showing that they are mostly older, lower income whites, most of whom are on unemployment, Social Security and Medicare. The difference is that the Times expanded their universe to include people who want to continue tax cuts for the wealthy, and who want to further deregulate Wall Street, etc. That's effectively what you get when you include people who say that they support the stated cause and goals of the tea-party.
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nanooknw
12:10 PM on 04/19/2010
who are all those folks carrying mispelled and racist signs??? Can you inteligent folks walk-bye
those and ignore them?
How can you ever expect to be taken seriously if you are allowing the racist and wing nut birthers
to infiltrate your movement?
Also, why would a group of mostly middle age men call themselves -the tea party movement??

Just asking.
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CynAnne
Laureates in Fact and Reality
01:08 PM on 04/19/2010
What really, REALLY bugs them, nanoo, it was Cluster-Foxs own Griff Jenkins, Dick Armey and other right-wingers, back in 2009, who started using the "teabag" terminology to describe their groups - now that they've realized HOW it's been regarded, they're desperate to 'un-ring the bell'...and it's just not working (sad, ain't it?)... ;)
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Chloe33
ex-Dem who grew up and wised up.
03:09 AM on 04/21/2010
Wrong, Cyn --- it was Rachel Maddow and Anderson Cooper who first used that idiotic name.
02:22 PM on 04/19/2010
could they be people form Crashthe teaparty.org?
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constitutional 1
No ad hominem
12:00 PM on 04/19/2010
Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.
Rule 9: The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself. When Alinsky leaked word that large numbers of poor people were going to tie up the washrooms of O’Hare Airport, Chicago city authorities quickly agreed to act on a longstanding commitment to a ghetto organization. They imagined the mayhem as thousands of passengers poured off airplanes to discover every washroom occupied. Then they imagined the international embarrassment and the damage to the city’s reputation.

Rule 10: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Avoid being trapped by an opponent or an interviewer who says, “Okay, what would you do?â€

Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.

According to Alinsky, the main job of the organizer is to bait an opponent into reacting. “The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.â€

great book
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Kohimama
02:27 AM on 04/19/2010
I seriously doubt we would have heard from these 45 year-old white males if their 401Ks and home equity hadn't disappeared in the past 2 years. They used to be complacent. Now they are scared. What wealth they have accumulated over their lifetimes has dissipated, their jobs may be in danger, and they are facing the future with no retirement possibilities. Pretty dismal.
07:54 PM on 04/18/2010
the fact that Obama calls himself black does not imply that we are racists.

My best Scooby Doo voice..........."Huuuuuh"?
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NoSandwiches
08:56 AM on 04/19/2010
calls himself black? because that is how he is labelled due to physical characteristics. That's how it works. If he called himself white, he would still get the same reaction from others who perceive him as black...

Racism is just one of the ways that the teabaggers have expressed themselves. Mostly the problem is that they consider taxes to be the government taking away THEIR money without an understanding that they use and depend on the benefits of federal tax expenditures every day. Your 401K doesn't make money without federally built infrastructure, institutions, and regulations designed to protect your interests. The wealthier actually use more of these benefits.
02:30 PM on 04/19/2010
and yet 47% pay no taxes....
so whose money is it?
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Anti-Panoptic
Conscious Grad Student
06:36 PM on 04/18/2010
The Tea Party makes me feel like I should paint my skin white so I don't feel bad about existing.
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CHICAGOSTYLE
11:35 AM on 04/19/2010
won't help
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Anti-Panoptic
Conscious Grad Student
01:06 PM on 04/19/2010
Darn!
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CynAnne
Laureates in Fact and Reality
05:11 PM on 04/18/2010
As I've opined previously, it's possible some of the people in some of the groups calling themselves 'tea-partiers' are genuinely concerned with health-care spending, the stimulus bill, and more...but, it seems just as many, if not more, are mere veneers for the "Big P & I" (and their lobbyists), whose hypocrisy is only surpassed by their greed. Rachel Maddow has been tracking the well-paid weasels funding these 'down-home, grass-roots' groups, and here's her latest expose of their chicanery: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#36584153 ...no doubt there were several of those 'just regular folks' represented at the rallies (besides the outright nutters with those vile placards, of course)...
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03:12 PM on 04/18/2010
I AM a bagger. I am white. I know of no one in my sphere here who is racist. I know of no one who is violent.

It doesn't matter to me about education, but does appear to matter to you, but I have an MS degree in Physics and 31 US Patents. Some of the smartest people I know never went to college.

The media (including Fox news, but Fox has been least offensive) continues to juxtapose the McViegh type videos with our protests. This is a real wake up call for me as well as many baggers as it is a deliberate attempt to attach us with violence.

I know what you are saying is not true. The fact that the baggers rise coresponded to Obama's presidency and the fact that Obama calls himself black does not imply that we are racists.The rise of baggers are better thought of as corresponding to an administration and congress that commits our money without concscience.

FYI there's a lot of democrats involved with us and many people of color as well. Also, baggers are American citizens. Once you acknowlege the facts, you'll begin to see that the media is truly drinking massive doses of kool-aid.

I've got to admit, the more I see what's really going on in the media and in our government, the more "fervent" I become. You are only feeding our passion with your misrepresentation.
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TheMilesHome
In the Conservatory, with a Pipe Wrench.
03:28 PM on 04/18/2010
And I disagree. By your own definition, you have your own sphere of knowing the people of your own party. And democrats ARE the party of diversity and individualism. I have arguments with both the Democrats and the GOP. The difference I see is that one side argues facts and one side argues feelings.

By your last statement (and that crap about Fox), I have a pretty good idea where you fit in.
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03:32 PM on 04/18/2010
I think the foundations of your reality are based on a fantasy. I would urge you to get out of your house and start experiencing life directly.
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CynAnne
Laureates in Fact and Reality
11:34 AM on 04/19/2010
Agreed, Miles - anyone who can claim, with a straight face, that Cluster-Fox "...has been least offensive..." in their coverage of current politics (and a open preference for one side over another) has been, to put it charitably, living under a rock for the last decade. In fact, Cluster-Fox (aka GOP-TV) have proven themselves openly partisan to the right-wing agenda, and more than willing to spread as many lies as necessary to achieve their goals. Here's proof, all dated and sorted for easy perusal: http://mediamatters.org/search/tag/fox_news_channel ...there are over two hundred (yes, I said 200) pages of documented falsehoods from Fox - surely the wingnutters don't expect us to believe those were ALL just unfortunate 'slips of the tongue' or 'accidental inaccuracies', do you? Once every now and then, yes...a couple of "Oopsies, did we say that?", very possible...but, when we have literally dozens (and dozens) of examples, then mere coincidence disappears, and a far more unpleasant theory comes to mind...
07:12 PM on 04/18/2010
implies....sorry
02:56 AM on 04/18/2010
I'm not a Tea Partier myself, but my Dad is (PHD in Poly Sci from Columbia), Mom is (Masters in English Lit), brother in law is (MBA). That's a rather small sample, but I don't relate with most of what I see on TV of the protesters as far as the Tea Party is concerned.

Oh, and brother in law is African American, Father is half-hispanic (son of an illegal alien), and Mom is caucasian.
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TheMilesHome
In the Conservatory, with a Pipe Wrench.
09:49 AM on 04/18/2010
I LOVE chocolate cake with sugary white icing. Now I like chocolate icing too, but I tend to ignore it for the cake with the white icing.

Your chocolate icing spokespersons are ruining a perfectly good chocolate cake.

Change the icing and you'll get more people eating the cake.
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03:19 PM on 04/18/2010
Why? Your president has promised all kinds of cakes; who cares if your great grandchildren will pay the bill -- we are "progressives".
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gloriousbeing
I know my gloriousness, how about you?
03:46 PM on 04/19/2010
Well, now that we know the educational background and demographics on some of your family members, care to tell us WHY they are teabaggers? Why did they join this movement? Why now, as opposed to forming a group two years ago or three or 5 years ago?
When asked that question, most folks say they "were upset" (yet never did anything about it prior to President Obama being in office). Most folk say they are "worried about the out of control spending" (but weren't worried during the previous administration).
Seems to me that they've jumped on the bandwagon and that it doesn't bother them that their bandwagon also has birthers, racists, etc. members. I've not heard any teabaggers denounce the hate-filled, vile signs that some carry. They just happily go along, saying "but that's not US, WE'RE not like that." If you "go along" you ARE allowing those folks to also represent you.
These people are SORE LOSERS in my opinion. They voted for the losing party. They don't give a rat's behind about the financial state of this country. They care that THEY are no longer the party in power, even though that party was instrumental in putting our country in the quagmire we are in. It is disengenuious no matter how many degrees your family members have, nor how many minorities are in your extended family.
01:36 AM on 04/20/2010
Wow gloriousbeing - nice response. You obviously know my family, their history and their motivations extremely well. Thank you for exposing them for the hypocrites they are.
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02:09 AM on 04/18/2010
Much of the TP angst can be reduced to one issue: Money.

What is their "platform"? Taxation (money)...Government spending (money)...Deficit (money)...Balanced budget (money)...smaller government (money)...While this "platform" is often punctuated with the words, "Freedom" and "Liberty", it is also punctuated with the words, "socialism", "communism" and "Marxism" as well as the phrase, "Redistribution of wealth", and again returns us to the crux of the whole issue: Money...Have any of you noticed that a great deal of the angst over healthcare was about the issue of cost? How many times it was refered to as another, "Entitlement program"? How many opposing it claimed it would cost THEM more for their OWN healthcare insurance? How many refered to it as "Socialized medicine"? How many have we heard from this "party" expouse the concern over, "The debt we are leaving our children and grandchildren"?...Every issue I can find, and boil it down to it's lowest denominator relates back to that one thing: Money.

So, it begs me to ask that question: Are all those things the TP protests over really things they take issue with, or is this really "All about the money" when it comes to the end of the day?
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Guitanguran
07:25 AM on 04/18/2010
In a modern economy, its the medium by which the value of labor and product is exchanged. Liberty is inextricably tied to having enough money to make certain choices. The more of the finite dollars the government has, the less there is for individuals with which to make certain choices, and the less liberty there is for the individual.

There's nothing inherently evil about money itself, its about who is controlling it. A person like myself that supports rolling back how the government controls what we do and how our money is spent.

Don't blame me, blame the 16th Amendment and the progressives that managed to get it through.
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TheMilesHome
In the Conservatory, with a Pipe Wrench.
09:42 AM on 04/18/2010
I will agree with you on almost everything except for one thing -

The more of the finite dollars the EXECUTIVES (CEOs, CFOs, Chairman, etc.) TAKE, the less there is for the WORKING CLASS individuals TO EARN.

A 250+ to 1 ratio is ludicrous.

I don't blame you, I blame pure corporate greed.
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03:19 PM on 04/18/2010
Fair enough...However I agree with "TheMilesHome"...We would like to point a finger at the government and say their levels of taxation and spending is the primary contributing factor in allowing people to have enough money to be able to make certain choices...While the government IS a contributing factor, it is to a far lesser degree that that of greedy employers and their overpaid CEO's...How many times have we read or heard of the infamous, "Executive retreat", held at the cost of over a half million dollars to their companies? About companies that LOSE money yet continue to pay millions in bonuses to executives while cutting worker pay, hours and even jobs? Companies that loose money yet continue to hold lavish executive retreats and conferences costing hundreds of thousands of dollars? Those same companies that in their next breath, pronounce they cannot afford to increase worker wages because the company did not do a well as expected? I can hardly complain that it is government impeding my liberty to make choices based on how much money I have when the company I work for wastes it on frivolity to pamper executives.
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c-tom
Badges we don't need no stinking badges
01:35 AM on 04/18/2010
No the big story was that the tea bagrs, made up for the the most part of very conservative Republicans, do not think Sarah Palin is fit to be president. I find that to be good news.
11:51 PM on 04/17/2010
Personally, I'm sick of the loud-mouthed unpatriotic tea baggers and tired of seeing them fawn over the likes of Palin and Bachmann, Beck, Hannity, etc. Since they only mobilize to protest when we have a black president, their credibility is zero. Suck it up, go home, and support our democratically elected president. Yes, he's black, educated, attractive and intelligent. Get over it.
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Roguewolf
30-Year Military Veteran
12:08 AM on 04/18/2010
Did your Mom yell down the basement stairs and tell you to type that?
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12:15 AM on 04/18/2010
Dude...the basement thing got old a while ago....Twice on the same thread wears it out.
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04:55 PM on 04/18/2010
Your people first labled them Nascar trailer trash. Next terrorists. Next racists.

Now they are unpatriotic?

How any group could coalece with all of these attributes ought to send flashing red flagged warning signs regarding the health of your source(s) of information.
05:18 PM on 04/19/2010
Kind of like Karl Rove's tactics during the previous administration? Who are 'your people' what does that even mean? If we took a poll of the average group of teabaggers, maybe they watch NASCAR, maybe they don't. But your posts still don't answer any of the actual questions you;ve been asked. Standing around 'protesting' isn't always patriotic. Sometimes its just idiotic - or hypocritical. How many teabaggers get Social Security or are on Medicare? They don't seem to mind the government dolling out money as long as it is to them.
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damilitantone
Fed up with politicians
11:04 PM on 04/17/2010
Everyone who attempts to defend the tea baggers should at least admit who they voted for during the past three election cycles. To act as if the tea baggers are anything, but whining sore losers, belies the fact that they failed to speak up when Bush was screwing up the country.
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Guitanguran
11:16 PM on 04/17/2010
So you wanted me to pick Al Gore?

And then John Kerry?

I yelled plenty when things were going down a hill. Should've started doing something way earlier.

When I saw things going off cliff, I drove to DC.
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PDXM1ke
GOP: Grossly Over-Paid
11:43 PM on 04/17/2010
If you had made either of the picks that you mock, we may have been in a different boat.

Especially the first pick.
01:38 PM on 04/19/2010
" should've started doing something way earlier." Yet, you didnt rally until coinsendently the current administration took office.
Did you even vote or are you one of the many "independent" tea baggers who did'nt but now want the rest of us to hear you complain?
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studentoflaw
02:27 PM on 04/18/2010
Hey, now. The Tea Baggers are just taking a valiant stand in defense of that Great Somalian Dream we all hold so dear:

"There are places in the world where the libertarian dream of a society where no one has to pay taxes, where state bureaucrats do not interfere in markets or control gun ownership, where there is no welfare, is realized. The greatest concentration of these is in Africa; in states like Liberia, Rwanda, and Somalia." [John Braithwaite]