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Michael Wolff

Posted: June 2, 2009 11:44 AM

It's Obama or Israel: You Choose


The Israel countdown seems to have begun. The president leaves tomorrow for an overseas trip that will put him, on Thursday, in Cairo, where he will give a major speech. In this speech he is expected to send the signals that will indicate whether it's a new deal for Israel.

While there will surely be no fighting words here, there could well be a sense of how far the present administration is going to move from standard policy, in which Israel gets the benefit of the doubt, to, in effect, doubting Israel.

The Times offers a front page story about how indications of the new tensions are swirling around the issue of West Bank development: Israel wants to build, Washington says no. This is a story out of Israel, meaning the Israelis are starting their pushback campaign. It's directly about Thursday's speech: It's a warning. But the Times has another, rather buried, story out of Washington, very clearly a response to the settlement dispute, in which the president says, in an NPR interview, "Part of being a good friend [to Israel] is being honest." After years of saying very little, of openly tolerating the clearly preposterous, that's a deep cut. He goes on, in the interview, to reiterate his position regarding a "freeze on settlements."

Part of understanding what's happening in the US-Israel relationship is understanding who is saying what to whom. Because the language here is so ritualized and proscribed, the entire conversation takes place in subtext. The president will never say we're cutting off Israel; we're dumping them; we're finished--but, on the other hand, he will.

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12:44 AM on 06/03/2009
How about the U.S. government works on national issues like solving the recession and leave the Isrealis to their own devices. What a novel idea.
02:44 AM on 06/03/2009
How about the US multitask since resolving Middle East peace is part of our diplomacy and may prevent another war . . .in Iran.
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08:01 AM on 06/03/2009
US Citizens with a clue have been asking for this for years - esp keeping the $10M/day given to Israel. Domestic programs in the US would welcome the change. Unfortunately, Israel insists we stay involved - at their convenience.
10:54 PM on 06/02/2009
I'm not clear why anyone has to choose anything , Obama seems clearly on Israel's side
Every president for a long time has asked Israel to stop the settlements
And every Israeli president has not done so. Its all a show

Obama has not done or said anything that Bush didn't say or do
He has not hinted at any kind of reduction in aid, he actually increased aid
He has re-iterated the policy to block the UN from sanctioning Israel
I'm not sure why the extra press this time, I suppose the "Obama is a secret muslim" talking point caught on.

We are not even asking Israel to do what is legally obligated of them and give up the settlements, we are just saying they should stop building on existing settlements. And when Israel refused to even do that, we apparently aren't going to do anything about it.
Remember this is our money doing this. We like to pretend that the "crazy Israeli's" are the ones doing it, but its us. We could stop it at any time, but we choose not to. And it wouldn't even take a funding cut to stop something as small as new building on settlements, just a threat to do so would collapse Likud's coalition and oust the current prime minister. He is very shaky as it stands even without any pressure from us
I hope he proves me wrong, but right now all signs point to Obama as a centrist wuss
11:03 AM on 06/03/2009
Regarding your statement, "I hope he proves me wrong, but right now all signs point to Obama as a centrist wuss". Is it the left or the right that you think has American interests at heart and has taken a really strong stand on Israel?
09:36 PM on 06/02/2009
Mr. Obama has not been heard yet. In speaking to Abbas he stated also that Palestinians should stop harassment and evil speech in the mosques, the schools and in the public square. But. Mr. Obama is NOT the U.S. He is currently the President of the U.S. Netanyahu is not Israel and he is not even Likud. He is more middle of the road than the current Israeli government is. Palestiinians do not have much to offer in science, technology, etc. Oil may be found in the U.S. As far as I know it is not to be found in Israel or the PA. The Arctic appears to have more oil than was thought. But technology will move away from oil and towards solar, geothermal and other sources. Israel has already those resources and is actively assisting the U.S. in implementing a solar powered city. In medicine Israel has not only intellectual capital, it also has real capital for research and development. The value of the dollar is not going up. The shekel is doing well. But money is not what makes the world go round. Money is nothing, just toiletpaper, without resources and other capital. By destroying a valuable resource such as Israel, and especially its human capital, the U.S. and the world will suffer.
02:47 AM on 06/03/2009
You say: By destroying a valuable resource such as Israel, and especially its human capital, the U.S. and the world will suffer.

The whole point of seeking peace in the Middle East is so that no one destroys anyone. I hope that the President is saying the lives in Palestine are no less valuable than Israeli lives.

If Israeli wants to avoid destruction, as you claim is the issue, it will have to respect its neighbor.
11:06 AM on 06/03/2009
So, you think that Israel is doing well and that money is "nothing, just toiletpaper". And while the dollar is not doing well the shekel is doing well. Quite true that Israel has a high per capita GDP. So I guess you won't mind if we cut off the assistance and take care of problems at home? Israel obviously doesn't need it.
Freesia2
I'm nicer than I appear in print. :-)
07:39 PM on 06/02/2009
I believe he's about to practice tough love.

Dumping Israel isn't the goal. The US isn't "breaking up" with Israel, so to speak. But for years we've had a rather unbalanced relationship. We try to express a problem, and they pout. Or they decide to break things. Or they call their lobbyist friends and pull strings to get their way. Or they act out. It's been a troubled relationship which seems to be based on a lot of manipulation.

He said that he was going to be their friend by being honest. And it's honest to tell them it isn't in their interest, nor in ours, to continue on their path to "natural growth". There's nothing natural about it. It's deliberate and it's dangerous.

I believe he's going to shake things up. I also believe Israel isn't going to like it.
05:59 PM on 06/02/2009
I choose Obama, all the way.

In fact, Israel's mischievous behavior is liable to continue ad infinetum until or unless we finally muster the resolve to cancel any further military aid.
06:28 PM on 06/02/2009
Isreal no longer needs us. Do you realize that they make all of their own power? Yes they have what we need. They use their garbage to manufacture power. Of course they are so much smaller than us, but they have the technology. Who would sell them oil? They have to have their own. They also give us a lot of our information as their mausad knows all and tells us. They also do "dirty work" for us that we dont want to tell the American people we do. Dont make them tell things you really dont want to know. I dont think you would like it, they know where ALL of our skeletons are buried, and Bibi has more "friends" on the hill, people he has known for many many years, way before they ever even heard of Obama. Sometimes a rookie needs to know when to keep his mouth shut and that is what Bibi is telling Obama.
01:20 AM on 06/03/2009
Do your homework, Bibi's "friends on the hill" were out to lunch when he dropped by this time. In your arrogance, you have badly misread the mood of Americans. It is Bibi who will either shut up, or lose his office again, and for the same reason as the last time. Putting Gaza under siege while our governrment was in transition was a monumental blunder.
Israel will not allow Bibi to screw this up.
11:10 AM on 06/03/2009
My whole life this conflict has been going on. I am sick to death of the Israelies and their instance that 'God gave them the land'. Most of the Jews who live in Israel have NO ancestral ties to the land, they came from Europe, Russia, the U.S. and elsewhere very few were there before the partition. The land was given to them because The world, basically, felt sorry for them post-WW2. They took that land from the Palestinians and now these crazy religious fanatics (has anyone noticed how religion and its fanatics cause most of the world's problems) want to deny that Palestinians even exist. These fanatics say they are Arabs and should be packed up and shipped to other Arab countries. From my point of view the Palestinians may have more rights to the land then the Jews mostly because they have deep ancestral roots to that land.

I support Obama's cooler climate towards Israel. I would like even better if we would cut aid to that country, Israel does not need it and it would put to better use here. By the way, I do not support the terrorism from the Palestinian side at all. It has done them more harm then good. If the Palestinians were to quit using terrorism and the Israelies continued their settlement building it would put the Palestinian cause in a much better light.
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05:44 PM on 06/02/2009
It think President Obama is finding the "middle way". I have long been a supporter of Israel - ever since their magnificent display in the '67 war. But... as I have gotten older and come to understand the other side of the issue, I've come to realize that they have not acted in good faith with respect to those who lived on the land when they arrived. And their constant belligerent attitude toward anyone who does not immediately subscribe to their version of things is actually contributing to the undermining of their own security. Someone needs to speak the truth to them, and the United States is just about the only one in a position to do so. Past administrations (and I'm not talking just about Bush here) have seemed hesitant to do so. In the long run Israel will have to recognize reality if it is to survive.
05:37 PM on 06/02/2009
I am with Obama.
For decades, Israel is practicing the politics of creating conditions to make a Palestinian state not possible and arguing the status quo cannot be changed.
Israel needs to be forced to cooperate for the sake of peace.
05:24 PM on 06/02/2009
If only the Jews would cooperate & march into the sea, then all would be solved. After all, they are subjected to years of unending terrorists acts & are constantly called the terrorists, warmongers & aggressors. How dare they request recognition. They have traded conquered territory for peace. With the exception of George I in 91, no other victorious nation has ever surrendered to the vanquished in the history of the world. How DARE Israel seek peace. After all, the ARAB nations are our staunchest allies. Our ARAB brethren are once again attempting to drive the world to poverty utilizing oil as an economic weapon.
11:12 AM on 06/03/2009
You are seriously misinformed.
02:08 PM on 06/03/2009
Yes. Please check your sources. You will find that any sources outside the US and Israel have essentially the opposite perspective on the situation.

It's sad that such an open and hospitable population as the Arab people have been demonized so effectively.
04:28 PM on 06/02/2009
In November 1947 United Nations decided on partition of Palestine into a Jewish state, an Arab state, and a UN-administered Jerusalem.[12] Partition was accepted by Zionist leaders but rejected by Arab leaders leading to the 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine. Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948 and neighboring Arab states attacked the next day.

It's all the fault of the United Nations
05:42 PM on 06/02/2009
The partition plan of 47 was a recommendation only and was not binding on anyone; so to claim that one side accepted it and one didn't is neither here nor there. No partition plan was to go into effect until accepted by both sides, and the UN was working on a revised plan when Israel declared itself a state. Of course the Jews said they accepted it but then immediately went against its' core concepts by beginning the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in Dec. of 47 even though the partition plan said that no one should be moved off the land they were living on and that no ownership of land would change.
11:22 AM on 06/03/2009
You are so right. Most Jews have NO ancestral connection to that land, they came from elsewhere after WW2 and more or less claimed the land as 'given to them by god'. If you disagree with them you are automatically charged with being 'antisemitic'. I am not antisemitic I could care less about anyone's religious beliefs (especially since I consider religions to be for most part bogus and a way to control people). I find it absolutely amazing that, after centuries of persecution, the Jews have been doing to Palestinians what has been done to them. And the U.S. has been supporting this behavior for years. Maybe the Israelies would change their tune if we stopped sending them money. There are more countries in the world who are far more in real need of our monetary support then Israel.
03:56 PM on 06/02/2009
As long as Israel is willing to play fair, we will help them out. But if Israel refuses to cooperate in the peace process, they do not deserve our support. It's time that we look at this situation from a rational point of view, instead of allowing religion and racism to control our decisions.
03:31 PM on 06/02/2009
I choose both.
03:56 PM on 06/02/2009
The President is Constitutionally bound to ONE Nation's interests -- as are the overwhelming majority of American taxpayers.
02:49 AM on 06/03/2009
There is nothing in our Constitution on any of us. Treaty or law, maybe.
11:24 AM on 06/03/2009
Are you for real! Where is it in the constitution that we support Israel blindly? Israel did not exist in 1778.
03:25 PM on 06/02/2009
It aches me to see such violation of everything that I know to know to be true. Hezbollah will win election in Lebanon and never give up to destroy Israel. Hamas will win elections in the West Bank and will never stop to destroy Israel. There will be more suicide bombers and rockets and deaths. Israel has has elected another war monger who thinks that strong words and gesture will scare the enemies. Israel's survival was based on the disagreements of their neighbors. The north and the west bank and Gaza are breeding freedom fighters in the hundreds. After spitting into the Syrians and the Jordanians eyes, how long do you think they will standing on the sidelines. I think it insane to ignore the US and the rest of the world. Ir will drive Iran into nuclear arms. There will be another nation whose nukes could fall into terrorists hands. My heart bleeds for all the people suffering from war and bitterness.
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TrekBear
02:05 PM on 06/02/2009
I'll side with Obama each and every time over Israel. The heinous acts that nation commits show it isn't rightfully part of the family of nations.
02:03 PM on 06/02/2009
The writer also confuses "Obama" with the United States. It is a choice between the U.S. and Israel, not Obama and Israel, and what is or isn't best for the United States. Obama is merely the messenger, a public servant, who is looking out for our best interests. it's high time someone got serious about peace in the middle-east!
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Gunga-Din
01:51 PM on 06/02/2009
Israel
03:49 PM on 06/02/2009
Good. We will send their annual $30 billion dollar bill -- to you.
11:32 PM on 06/02/2009
A few years ago, concerned that the dollar was losing its value, Isreal had the gall to ask for their aid in euros. The Bush administration happily complied.