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Jon Huntsman and Evolution: A Missed Opportunity

Posted: 08/29/11 09:15 AM ET

It's not often that there's good news coming out of the Republican Party -- for science in general or for evolution in particular. That pattern was broken on Aug. 18, when GOP presidential candidate Jon Huntsman took to Twitter to announce: "To be clear. I believe in evolution and trust scientists on global warming. Call me crazy."

As the head of The Clergy Letter Project, an organization of more than 13,000 clergy and 1,000 scientists who promote the teaching of evolution -- and work for a nuanced understanding of the relationship between religion and science -- I was delighted and immediately thought that I should do a profile of Governor Huntsman for my HuffPost series "Profiles in (Evolutionary) Courage."

I never thought that it would be all but impossible to write such a piece. But now, well over a week later, and without anyone in the Huntsman campaign willing to return phone calls or emails, I've come to the conclusion that I cannot write what I intended. Instead of learning more about Huntsman and what drives his respect for science, I'm beginning to understand why his campaign is mired in last place amid a non-distinguished field. As of today's Real Clear Politics poll, Huntsman's support is running 10-fold behind Rick Perry's (20 percent to 2 percent), significantly behind Michele Bachmann's (9 percent to 2 percent) and even a bit further behind the non-candidacy of Sarah Palin (11 percent to 2 percent). Amazingly, even Herman Cain's polling numbers (5 percent) are two and a half times better. Herman Cain!

Please don't misunderstand me. I recognize that I'm not a major media figure. Indeed, I recognize that I'm not even a minor media figure. However, the pieces I write for The Huffington Posttare well read and receive hundreds, and often thousands, of comments. To quote Huntsman, "call me crazy!" but I thought that a positive piece elaborating on his tweet would be seen as a positive bit of media attention. Apparently not.

My calls to his campaign merely yielded a referral to an email address. My emails to his campaign remain unanswered. In an attempt to work a back channel, I contacted Eric Holcomb, the Chair of the Indiana Republican Party. Eric immediately responded enthusiastically and said that he would pass my message along to friends in the Huntsman campaign. Although I'm confident that he did so, no one has gotten back to me.

So, after more than a week of phone calls and emails, I've been unable to have any questions answered. My efforts have not generated a single acknowledgement that I even exist. Well, that's not exactly true! About 10 hours after sending an email to a generic address on the Huntsman website, I received three copies of a solicitation from the Republican Party of Pennsylvania. Coincidence? Could be, but I doubt it.

The thing is, exploring what brought Jon Huntsman to his position on science, a position so dramatically at odds with the rest of his party, is not a trivial matter. Scientific knowledge need not -- and should not -- be a political issue and yet it has become just that within the Republican presidential field.

Huntsman himself explained the importance of science to Jake Tapper on ABC's This Week on the Sunday following his tweet:

The minute that the Republican Party becomes the party -- the anti-science party -- we have a huge problem. We lose a whole lot of people who would otherwise allow us to win the election in 2012. When we take a position that isn't willing to embrace evolution, when we take a position that basically runs counter to what 98 of 100 climate scientists have said, what the National Academy of Science has said about what is causing climate change and man's contribution to it, I think we find ourselves on the wrong side of science, and, therefore, in a losing position.

The Republican Party has to remember that we're drawing from traditions that go back as far as Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, President Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan and Bush. And we've got a lot of traditions to draw upon. But I can't remember a time in our history where we actually were willing to shun science and become a party that was antithetical to science. I'm not sure that's good for our future, and it's not a winning formula.

Huntsman is absolutely correct. It is neither good politics nor good public policy for one of the country's major political parties to shun science. Study after study has reached two consistent conclusions: First, the United States continues to lose its scientific edge. Second, the economic consequences associated with our collapsing scientific infrastructure are huge.

Evolutionary theory is as well understood a scientific theory as any and far better than most. Rejecting it on political grounds in an attempt to pander to a small but very vocal subset of the population that believes evolution and religious conviction cannot be compatible is a disgrace, and it distorts the public's understanding of what science actually is.

I am absolutely delighted that Jon Huntsman has opted to clearly state his support for both science and evolution, and I wish I could have been in a position to more fully explore the reasons for his actions. Given the current nature of the Republican Party, it was courageous of him to be as outspoken as he has been. However, if he has any hope of moving up from last place in the race, I suspect that his staff is going to have to be more willing to respond to requests for information about his positions. And since any campaign staff ultimately takes its orders from the top, I can't help but wonder about the direction Huntsman is providing.

 
 
 

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It's not often that there's good news coming out of the Republican Party -- for science in general or for evolution in particular. That pattern was broken on Aug. 18, when GOP presidential candidate J...
It's not often that there's good news coming out of the Republican Party -- for science in general or for evolution in particular. That pattern was broken on Aug. 18, when GOP presidential candidate J...
 
 
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Cole 33
If someone asks if you're a God, you, say, YES!
05:01 PM on 08/31/2011
"The thing is, exploring what brought Jon Huntsman to his position on science, a position so dramatically at odds with the rest of his party, is not a trivial matter. Scientific knowledge need not -- and should not -- be a political issue and yet it has become just that within the Republican presidential field."

Well said. The republican party as already become the 'Anti- Science' party, because it has become a fundamentally Religious party, and the politicians seeking a committed voting block use Religion as a carrot on a string.

It one of the reasons Huntsman won't gain any traction.
flipacoin
Heads they win, tails we lose.
06:58 PM on 08/31/2011
RNA and DNA can create themselves before the cell happens? Show me a modern observance of this...even with an intelligence of a scientist outside of the beaker. Robert Shapiro, head chemist of New York University said that the simpler RNA, simpler than DNA, assembling itself into accidental intelligence would be a once in a universe event. Go ahead and make a RNA or DNA molecule stay alive in some earthly medium without the cell feeding it or disposing of it's waste products. How could oxygen, water, salt balance, chemical balances, PH balance, livable temperature range stay steady for these theoritical stand alone molecules? Once cell life from non-life flipped the switch, then how could it learn so many other things, like reproduction, before succumbing to the aging process? How about the knowledge of self repair before it even knew what was perfect?
10:05 PM on 08/31/2011
While it may be an extremely unlikely event that RNA and DNA form spontaneously, you have for molecules than you could ever hope to count forming under a variety of extreme conditions on early earth. While it is true that science caannot explain how this is doen yet, it doesn't mean that it didn't, it means that we simply have to figure out how. All of those conditions that you named don't need to be constant for the formation of these molecules. A molecule or organism that can replicate itself, even unfaithfully with errors, can be acted upon by selective pressures to evolve. Speaking of evolution, that explains how organisms or replicating objects reproduce themselves. So what, they age? Early organisms, like bacteria likely had pretty short life spans, but when you reporduce so rapidly, only those that can survive in this manner remain. The ones that could not replicate, did not, and therefore did not stick around long. As for repair, this likely developed as organsims became more complex and the concept of a genome formed. Even so, replication is an erroneous process, and it has to provide fodder for natural selection.

(Also, I think that you will also find many other scientists who think that life is not all that rare of an event in the universe.)
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Cole 33
If someone asks if you're a God, you, say, YES!
12:51 PM on 09/01/2011
"RNA and DNA can create themselves before the cell happens?

Organic Chemistry, which leads to, Biology. For a long time Scientists didn't or couldn't make that connection. Until scientists at the University of Manchester not only figured it out, but synthesized RNA only using the basic chemistry of the universe.

The first organism needed two things, a Cell Membrane (a container), and some Genetic material that allows for inheritance.

For a long time Scientists thought DNA was the star of that show and RNA was the bit player, but thats now inverted. RNA is more important, it also has a genetic code written with the chemicals A, C, G, and U and chemically, each of these building blocks is made of atoms of carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, phosphorus, and hydrogen. (some of the basic building blocks of the universe) RNA is used to make up the proteins which make up the cells in our bodies, and helps make our Skin, Hair, Brain Cells and Heart.

But, just because we've got flower, eggs, milk, water and butter, just mixing those ingredients together won't give us a specific pastry, there's gotta be some recipe to it.
03:57 PM on 10/21/2011
FLIPACOIN

What you think is part of the problem. You don't appear to know one of the fundamental tenets (or non-tenets?) of evolution: That evolution has nothing to say directly about the causes of life. It only says what happened AFTER life formed.

How life got here may be stated with evolution as support, but wishing to attack evolution, logically, you must start with what it purports to claim: that the existing life we see evolved from other EXISTING life. Darwin himself stated this. Talknig about how life got here, though often related to and thought of as belong to evolution theory is only ancilliary related.

And I echo what others have said that also misunderstood and often misrepresented. When Darwin exposed his theory, it wasn't complete. It couldn't be because nothing is. It is a work in progress like all things and, true to a tenet of science in general, is subject to change and revision. This is why science is NOT a religion (as has been claimed). It does not have dogmas - at least for long. Those who attempt it can be and are exposed over time.

btw, the irony of what I said about a facet of religion being about stability is not lost on me. But I think you get the general idea that its about the mind of the person thinking this way, not so much the actual facts on the ground which show that religions do change with the times..
12:04 AM on 08/31/2011
I think Romney said he believes in evolution too. It's not looking good for either one of them right now. Plus they've got the whole Mormon thing going on as well. When you look at the bizarre teachings of Mormonism I find it strange that people are calling him intelligent just because he embraces evolution.
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doubleB
10:20 AM on 08/30/2011
"But I can't remember a time in our history where we actually were willing to shun science and become a party that was antithetic­al to science."

Can't remember a time? How about the last 30 years or so, ever since Reagan got elected? Chris Mooney details all the evidence in "The Republican War on Science"... very good read.
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doubleB
10:13 AM on 08/30/2011
A very courageous and intelligent man... unfortunately, his campaign is a non-starter when he tells the truth like this. The right-wing has worked itself up into a frenzy, between the politicians and their pitchfork-wielding groupies, feeding off their own rhetoric and pushing themselves further to the right. I really don't think they have a shot in the dark at the presidency... if they elected Huntsman, they would. But they're not interested in electing anyone reasonable.
10:04 AM on 08/30/2011
"Given the current nature of the Republican Party, it was courageous of him to be as outspoken as he has been."

"Courageous" when it is just plain common sense?? This is a clear indication of how low the process of dummying-down the culture has reached.
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Redhunteur
If I damn yer POV will u turn the other cheek?
08:17 AM on 09/01/2011
Exactly.

How utterly sad when openly accepting that which is utterly accepted is seen as courage when uttered to the unaccepting.
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06:24 AM on 08/30/2011
As a sceptic, I cannot decide whether Nature or God is apolitical, punishing Rick Perry's Texas with uninhabitable heat and drought, and Bernie Sanders' Vermont with annihilating floods. People are suffering, people of all political stripes. And Nature is doing it, either as final cause or efficient, intermediary cause employed by the Divine.
Yet it can be amusing to watch supposed TV weather (and hair style) experts going some length to avoid mentioning climate change or global warming. They say, "Strange weather!" "Never seen such unusual weather." One can almost watch them play dumb. But they're not being ironic. Playing dumb is what they're paid to do.
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SKSagar
Superconsciousness switched on the bigbang
04:33 AM on 08/30/2011
Scientists, Rational thinkers, Intelligent people, seldom become Republicans.
Arrogance, Selfishness, and Egoism are the qualities the Republicans look for.
The odds are stacked heavily against Huntsman. Playing against the `Anti-Science` ideology is a trump card that must be used aggressively, and consistently. It will be good for America if he succeeds. My best wishes are with him.
Zip Zinzel
If a Nation expects to be both Ignorant & Free . .
02:02 AM on 08/30/2011
Goodbye Mr Huntsman:

Intelligence & Intellectual Honesty are disqualifying qualities in today's Republican Party.

If left to their own devices, I think I could tolerate either a Romney or Huntsman Presidency.
And that's the reason, besides Mormanism, that neither of them can win their party's nomination.

They are the only two grownups in the Republican party.

And the nomination race has become a "Crazy-Contest" between Bachman & Perry over who can be stupider than the other without going so far over the line, that they would actually alienate their own base.

The wildcard is: how could they govern if either Romney or Huntsman got elected President?
I can't imagine how either of them could/would govern- since they would be at great odds with the asiprations of their own party.
claraluz
Per aspera ad astra!
09:34 AM on 08/30/2011
Agree 100%. They would have to resign themselves to being puppets and let someone pull their strings and speak for them like the Rep. party did to GWB most of the time.
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doubleB
10:16 AM on 08/30/2011
Agree with most of what you said... although after Romney's comment that "corporations are people", I wonder about him too. He may be semi-smart, but he runs a horrible campaign. Huntsman is their only feasible candidate in the general election, but he won't make it out of the primary.
Zip Zinzel
If a Nation expects to be both Ignorant & Free . .
07:22 PM on 08/30/2011
doubleB:

Mr. Romney is not my preferred candidate, but he also is nothing like the boogyman that many want to make him out to be.

Read his Wikipedia bio.

Mr. Romney is really a right-leaning centrist.
But he HAS TO win Republican support in the Primaries - NO MATTER WHAT.
If not; he simply has to drop out.

I am certain he is as honorable & decent as, say Jimmy Carter.
His business career as profiled on Wiki is not as bad as portrayed
His leadership of the 2002 Winter Olympics is regarded as highly successful.
He ran a generally successful term as Governor of Massachusetts, a very liberal state.

But per my query: How could he govern if somehow he was elected President

[UNLIKELY OPTION 1]
He becomes another Teddy Roosevelt
((Reality-Check: Mr. Romney has led a remarkable life, but he ain’t no TR))
Mr. Roosevelt unexpectedly became president after McKinley’s sudden and unexpected death. He then threw the Machine-Politicians into the ditch, and simply took on the role of Supreme Commander of not only the US, but the whole world.
Mr. Romney’s version of this scenario might be to:
simply pay lip-service to the concept of being a ‘true’ Republican- and become an actual centrist President working almost equally with Ds & Rs.

[EVEN MORE UNLIKELY OPTION 2]
After election, Mr. Romney turns the world upside-down by switching parties and becoming a Democratic President.

[OPTION 3]?
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theprez21
I like sarcasm
12:05 AM on 08/30/2011
I think Huntsman knows that the writing is on the wall. He cannot make it the general and wants to keep a low profile in hopes of that VP pick.
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Chris1962
NYC
01:51 AM on 08/30/2011
I don't think Republicans are too interested in a former Obama administration member as a VP.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
04:44 AM on 08/30/2011
Especially not one that believes in evolution and gravity and math and stuff.
IWantTofu
Evolution. Now a political position.
09:01 PM on 08/29/2011
Jon Huntsman Jr.s dad founded the billion dollar Huntsman Chemicals. If Huntsman said he didn't believe in the theory of evolution, his dad would smack him.
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Kiri the Unicorn
Joseph Campbell was right
06:39 PM on 08/29/2011
Mr Huntsman: Your party has been distracted by a bunch of carnival performers. At this point you have nothing to lose. Why not go completely on the offensive with this stuff?
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almostlyniceguy
Not young enough to know everything..
11:04 PM on 08/29/2011
I thought that was what he was doing... his campaign has no chance otherwise.
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Kiri the Unicorn
Joseph Campbell was right
11:58 PM on 08/29/2011
He needs to do more of it. We'll know if it's working the moment Perry or Bachmann trash him for being "Obama's" ambassador to China.
claraluz
Per aspera ad astra!
09:35 AM on 08/30/2011
Not loudly or often enough!!!
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Cayce58
10:52 AM on 08/30/2011
You are talking about the democrats. A republican can be as stuipid as, well........Perry, and the other pubs won't talk truth. They are more afraid of giving the dems a campaign comment to use later than they are of nominating the right canidate. And that's clumsy phrasing that actually worked.
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Bombadillo22
Not all who wander are lost...
04:47 PM on 08/29/2011
"But I can't remember a time in our history where we actually were willing to shun science and become a party that was antithetical to science. I'm not sure that's good for our future, and it's not a winning formula."

I knew it was just political correctness, a casual remark and not a serious statement when only a few weeks later Huntsman stated he'd be willing to serve as Bachman's vice president--even though her ideas are not good for our future, and present a formula for disaster.
claraluz
Per aspera ad astra!
09:37 AM on 08/30/2011
If he's willing to be HER VP, the he's willing to sell his soul just to get in the White House. Can you imagine anything worse than to be Bachmann's VP??? Shudder.
03:23 PM on 08/30/2011
On the plus side, you'd get to go to a lot of state funerals for unicorns and leprechauns and the like.
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matilda81
04:35 PM on 08/29/2011
It is sad, but not surprising, that Huntsman's campaign is in last place. No one seems interested in a rational moderate Republican. Instead people are drawn to extremists who intentionally choose hot button topics in order to manipulate the public. They use the same reduntant rhetoric. Slamming gays and pushing guns, while promoting God, will guarantee a nomination. Unfortunately, promoting important topics, like science, won't take you far.
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Chris1962
NYC
01:53 AM on 08/30/2011
>>>No one seems interested in a rational moderate Republican­.>>>

When liberals start calling him rational, the RINO and former Obama ambassador knows he's a goner.
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lateralus1983
Like a scrotum here it is in a nutshell.
01:21 AM on 08/31/2011
Yeah, because there's nothing more rational than saying you don't accept the scientific evidence for evolution and embrace a sky daddy instead, like the other seven cadidates. Real rational.
flipacoin
Heads they win, tails we lose.
04:17 PM on 08/29/2011
Belief in evolution contributes nothing to scientific discovery or advancement. Everything has gene flexibility called single nucleotide polymorphisms [SNP's] and phenotypic plasticity. These don't cause specie splitting. The thing that causes the theoried evolution is done by three types of mutations in the DNA sequences of substitutions, insertations, and deletions [indels]. A yard stick we can go by on how many of these it takes to move animals into new ones is to look at the two complete DNA sequences of man and chimps. The chimps in which we supposed have diverged with from one common animal five million years ago, we have a combined 90 million different indels and 35 million substituion differences. That is one every 40 days in pace for the last 5 million years but these changes are not seen with modern day equipment and not eyewitnessed by scientist in the millions of species worldwide. In fact if you internet search 'nucleotide evolution' all you get are 'models'...no actual examples. Proves my point doesn't it? It is as if everything was created all at once. Therefore evolutionary belief is unnessary for science advancement. Remember God was taken out of school 50 years ago and our kids are not a bunch of Einsteins because of it. In fact private school kids score 100 points higher on SAT's than the public school evolution taught counterparts. Gene flexibility can be taught to anybody like bacteria becoming drug resistant. No DNA rewrite. Macroevolution? It's not under anyone's microscope.
04:41 PM on 08/29/2011
"Belief in evolution contribute­s nothing to scientific discovery or advancemen­t." You start with one of the biggest anti-science fallacies ever and your post still manages to go downhill from there.

Nice work.
flipacoin
Heads they win, tails we lose.
05:42 PM on 08/29/2011
If you want to believe in nucleotide evolution that isn't happening except in 'models', be my guest. Faith can be fun.
11:04 PM on 08/29/2011
Well put Tanzania. As I have said previously, "you can't reason someone out of something, who hasn't been reasoned into it." You can't reason, negotiate, or debate these deniers...they're just wired wrong and have taken the wrong branch of evolution.
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taoistpunk
because the monks wouldn't have me..
05:20 PM on 08/29/2011
it got you to actually read about something besides religion books didn't it? so it can't be all bad.

many mechanisms in genetics are still unknown, or very recently described, so i would guess [not being a geneticist] that the situation is more complicated than you state.

it sounds to me like a good case for punctuated equilibrium though.

the old, "we can't explain every single thing right this very second and therefore god did it," argument is even less likely today than it was a hundred years ago. a slight flaw in our understanding of genes, a very new science, does absolutely nothing to debunk this one, or any of the other, disciplines that continue to point to evolution.

also, if you double check the origin of species you'll see that Darwin never promised us a generation of Einsteins.

so if you want to get smarter, don't wait on evolution, just keep reading those science books.
flipacoin
Heads they win, tails we lose.
10:05 PM on 08/30/2011
Science exist just fine without the nonexistant macroevolution. I have enjoyed science all my life but it's better without the numerous hoax, proven disinformation that won't die in our textbooks, hijacked common genetic principles claim by evolutionist such as SNP's and plasticity as theirs, ignoring out of place fossils are just a few of the problems. Darwin wouldn't be so stupid in saying that belief in evolution will make you smarter, like many of you do, but he did promise that his Darwin finches was proof of evolution. No. Just phenotypes and Single Nucleotide Polymorphisms...no DNA rewriting. Punctuated equilibruim evolution is a way to ignore logistics and is a joke. Darwin hated the Cambrian explosion and lower fossil layers with the evolving lifeforms that he hoped for, has never shown up to this day. Darwin gave alot of a caveat emptors in his theory to let people out. If Darwin was alive today with the complexities discovered since his time, he would ask, "Why? Why do you believe this?"
04:03 PM on 08/29/2011
It's unfortunate that Jon Huntsman doesn't have enough guts or fortitude to just stand up and be a right-of-center candidate. If he was truly about America and serving America, he'd lay out his "right-leaning, but not extremist" plan on the table and be open with it. I don't agree with Huntsman, but I can respect someone who uses logic in their argument.

C'mon Huntsman, be a man and stand on your principles. Be the Perry with common sense.
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almostlyniceguy
Not young enough to know everything..
11:11 PM on 08/29/2011
Well said.