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Religion and Science: Respecting the Differences

Posted: 05/20/10 05:47 PM ET

Just so there's no confusion, I want to make my two main points right up front. First, I don't believe that religion and science must be in competition with one another. Second, those who disagree with my first point call me an "accommodationist," and while I don't particularly like the term, I am perfectly content to fall into that broad category.

Let me explain and provide some context. I'm an evolutionary biologist, and I believe that science is an incredibly powerful way of understanding the natural world. Unfortunately, we live in a society that is largely scientifically illiterate. By that I don't mean that most people don't understand the specifics of any particular science, which is unquestionably true, but rather that most people don't understand the nature of science. They are unable to distinguish between science and pseudoscience or, as I like to say, among science, nonscience, and nonsense. Collectively, we regularly suffer the consequences of scientific illiteracy, from poorly conceived public policies to atrocious educational practices.

Scientific investigation is a process that depends upon hypothesis testing and demands that scientific claims be offered in a manner that permits them to be falsified. Simply put, if you can't phrase your hypothesis in a falsifiable manner, it falls outside the bounds of science. Science is, therefore, one of the few fields of human endeavor that has opted to limit its own scope -- and it's that limitation that makes it so useful.

By defining its boundaries in this fashion, science isn't implying that any question or endeavor that falls outside its reach is unimportant. I doubt, for example, that many scientists would dismiss questions of aesthetics as being unimportant or uninteresting even while arguing that they are not amenable to scientific investigation.

Where does that leave religion? Well, it depends what you mean by religion. When religion (or more likely its fundamentalist adherents) begins to make claims in the complete absence of evidence and in a manner that is not falsifiable, and when those claims are passed off as scientific, the record must be set straight. Creationism, in all of its guises, including intelligent design, regularly makes claims of exactly this sort. Rather than addressing evidence, creationists simply make faith statements and expect that those faith statements be taught in science classes.

While none of us should hesitate to attack such activities, it's well worth pointing out that most mainstream religions don't do this. Consider, for example, the resolution overwhelmingly adopted by the United Methodist Church at its quadrennial conference in 2008: "Be it resolved that the General Conference of the United Methodist Church go on record as opposing the introduction of any faith-based theories such as Creationism or Intelligent Design into the science curriculum of our public schools."

And consider that The Christian Clergy Letter, a part of The Clergy Letter Project, signed by more than 12,500 Christian clergy members, says unequivocally, "We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge."

Let me repeat my main point here: these statements of support for evolution are from religious leaders. It's unlikely that you could find stronger testimonials from any other segment of our society. For those of us who care about science literacy and who recognize the centrality of evolution, it makes sense to celebrate rather than criticize the efforts religious leaders are making on this front.

There's very good reason to believe that the voices of clergy are particularly important on this issue if progress is going to be made in bringing a broader segment of the American public to an acceptance of evolution. A 2007 Pew Research Center report noted that "when asked what they would do if scientists were to disprove a particular religious belief, nearly two-thirds (64%) of people say they would continue to hold to what their religion teaches rather than accept the contrary scientific finding."

The fact is, though, that the teachings of most mainstream religions are consistent with evolution -- but the message has not yet reached congregants. There isn't any better way to improve the situation than to praise religious leaders who continue to speak out forcefully, and scientifically appropriately, on this topic.

Unfortunately, however, in some quarters, criticism has greatly outdistanced praise. (If you have any doubt about this, just read through the comments on almost any Huffington Post blog touching on creationism.) At times it appears that anyone who professes a belief in religion is assumed to be indistinguishable from a fundamentalist and is, therefore, assumed to be anti-science.

It is difficult for some to understand how an evolutionary worldview may be compatible with deeply held religious convictions. But this difficulty is no reason to attack those who manage to comfortably balance the two.

Many, many religious leaders understand that religion is not dependent upon a single interpretation of any text. Instead, the overwhelming majority of the religious leaders with whom I interact regularly believe that religion is about morality and spirituality rather than science. They want to make the world a better, a fairer and a more just place and they believe they can accomplish that within a spiritual community.

I respect those goals and, as I've said, I believe that religious leaders who understand the nature of science and are willing to speak out about it deserve to be praised. I have no problem being labeled an "accommodationist" for taking such a stand. I also have no problem arguing vehemently when anyone, religious or otherwise, crosses the line from science to nonsense.

Because the term "accommodationist" was coined by critics as an expletive (see, for example, a recent essay in The Chronicle of Higher Education and University of Chicago biologist Jerry Coyne's blog), it says more about their intolerance than it does about those of us who respect positions that fall outside the bounds of science.

 
 
 

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Just so there's no confusion, I want to make my two main points right up front. First, I don't believe that religion and science must be in competition with one another. Second, those who disagree w...
Just so there's no confusion, I want to make my two main points right up front. First, I don't believe that religion and science must be in competition with one another. Second, those who disagree w...
 
 
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02:33 AM on 07/07/2010
This is such a good article on many levels!
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slice of life
12:40 PM on 06/23/2010
When God is believed to be a super being or man who is judging us and will send us to hell for being "bad", this causes potential problems in how we treat each other as human beings. One person actually can hate another simply because that person is not doing what the other thinks God wants. As we know, this can even become a very violent and murderous relationship. The revolutionary change in attitude that is needed is to know that GOD IS EVERYTHING. Everything includes you and me. Everything includes Science and the ability to discover Truth. If we have this attitude, then it is a given that we are all connected and one in the same and will not want to hurt one another. When we say "God", we should not think of a separate being that does not include ourselves. This is idolatry on a mental level. We are all included in God, therefore we should love, worship, and diligently seek to understand each other. Religion should include Science as our most effective way to obtain and detect Truth. Our 6th sense is the Sense of Truth. Maybe God is actively seeking to know God's self and we are some of God's infinite number of Truth receptors. Let's learn from the ant. Let's learn from the cells in our bodies. Your cells are selflessly and purposely together contributing to you, their supreme being. If your cells thought of you as a separate being, you're probably in trouble.
08:52 PM on 06/14/2010
Distinguishing between "science and pseudoscience" is much more difficult than people think. The idea that science is falsifiable and non-science isn't is a popular slogan. You can consider a theory falsifiable if it makes observable predictions that can be tested and found to be correct or incorrect. But how does a theory make predictions? Germ Theory, for example, does not make any predictions by itself, but requires auxiliary hypotheses about how microorganisms affect the human body to become falsifiable. Same thing holds when Newton posited his laws of mechanics. To make any falsifiable predictions, you need auxiliary hypotheses about space, time, and the measurement of events. When the theory and testable results don't match, you revise the auxiliary hypotheses. So nearly every "theory" will meet the falsification criteria for science because you just need to add auxiliary hypotheses. Typical pseudosciences such as Freudian theory and astrology make falsifiable predictions, and so do theological theories. Any silly theory could be considered science, and generally agreed upon sciences, such as the theory of evolution, would not be considered science because it makes makes no observable predictions, only postdictions. I'm not saying that there's no distinction between science and pseudoscience, simply that falsifiability is a bad measure.
02:32 AM on 07/07/2010
Interesting comments. However, if I include your auxiliary theories into the theory, then what you describe is just the scientific method. The correction of the auxiliary theories to better match experiment is what we wish to do. The fact that we might not be aware of our auxiliary theories is our problem as scientists, but not a problem with science.

In fact, falsifiability is necessary but insufficient criteria for a scientific hypothesis. The hypothesis must also be logically self-consistent and testable. I have always felt that Quantum Mechanics fails the former.

Evolution is a scientific theory by definition, because it does make predictions about experiments. Many of these experiments are conducted by long dead animals and we discover the results to test the theory by discovering the fossil record (among other things). The sudden and unexplainable appearance of a completely unprecedented species in the fossil record would be falsifying evidence.
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09:00 AM on 06/06/2010
Resp Sir,I strongly agree with you. Most modern scientists see spirituality & scriptural statements with DOUBT, except a few, like Albert Einstein-
“The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who cans no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.” By Albert Einstein
.Albert Einstein, was SPIRITUAL MAN ,so he discovered the mysterious.This happened to every inventor, poet, writer , scientist,who propounded any great deed but not all are like Albert Einstein, who knew , how his inner powers are to be utilized, using the SPIRITUALITY. YOGA , was a tool, developed by GREAT ANCIANT SCIENISTS, called “Rishis/Maharishis for it. Every scientist needs CONCENTRATION for his research work. How would you concentrate with out knowing the exact method of attaining CONCENTRATION? It is in spiritual scriptures of “ASTANG YOGA”.
As a scientist, don’t be trendy, apply your x, y method of science to realize GOD, if failed to realize, then go to a YOGI, make a belief in his “ METHOD OF YOGA “. If you don’t realize GOD, after applying the “ Method Of Yoga “,only then have a disbelief in GOD.Spirituality is not based on BELIEF/FAITH but the scientists have to follow & believe on " METHOD OF SPIRITUALITY" ,otherwise "Method Of Science" would be called " METHOD OF NON-SCIENCE".
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YOGAmrit Yogi Dr Ajay
11:54 AM on 06/05/2010
Enriching post,delivering lucid concepts ,which support science together with spirituality but setting aside religious fundamentalism(propagated by religious leaders,insisting on Faith/belief ).Thank you Michael Zimmerman for such a fine bloh.OM.
11:39 AM on 06/01/2010
Thanks, Michael. It appears that the dialogue between reprentatives of the sciences and religious should continue---hopefully with mutual respect. Perhaps, in the future--- shared understanding will be the outcome. I appreciate your modesty in your kind essays.
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...within my mind
11:30 AM on 06/01/2010
It's a question of who's defining what.

Science is easier to define because it deals with objective reality, basically. A scientific hypothesis can be posited for falsification. (Beware those who would piggy back their conjectures on the back of science; e.g., creation science, astrology, etc.)

Religion enjoys no such luxury. While the core terminology of science are well understood, the central words in religion are not. In my reading, the term "accommodationist" is used with one of two primary meanings: (1) someone who accepts science completely, except when a scientific uncertainty or speculation conflicts with a religious view; e.g., speciation through biological evolution instead of creation. (2) someone who accepts scientific findings as stated without exception, including the uncertainties and speculations, but uses any religious reference, theist or not.

The first is a valid criticism. The second is the emotional reaction of an anti-religious fanatic.

What I find interesting is that as one who accepts the science I understand completely, yet being a member of a UU community--where all manner of religious belief and non-belief are welcome--I hear little criticism of that situation.
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I'm happy to live in a fact based world
03:37 PM on 05/31/2010
We should understand the differences, not respect them. The world of science deals with reality and a hypothesis which must be subjected to rigorous testing, peer review and that is subject to falsification.
Religion deals with perpetuating any one of a thousand+ conflicting mythologies, which must be accepted on blind faith. Of course, nobody thinks that any religion - other than their own- is supported with sufficient evidence for acceptance.
Isis, Thor, Ganapati and Quetzalcoatl are considered pure fantasy by Christians and Muslims, despite, the obvious fact, that these gods have no more basis in reality than the one which satisfies their own supernatural cravings.
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01:48 PM on 05/28/2010
Michael:
I think if you pulled one of the members of a congregation that says it 'supports evolution' and really questioned them you would realize that they support evolution alright but 'just not for humans'. Humans, in their viewpoint are not part of evolution and how could they for to be part of evolution you would have to agree that humans evolved from green slime in the primordial see at least a billion years ago and that God is no were to be seen in the process.
No room for God in that scenario.
09:54 PM on 05/30/2010
"Members of a congregation"--how specific!

In a church. Where religion is practiced. In this country someplace.
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11:36 AM on 06/01/2010
I know quite a few members of my congregation and don't know any who do not subscribe fully to the Theory of Evolution. Our church includes theists, atheists, agnostics and some who call themselves non-theists (the idea of god is superfluous). Could it be we have stripped other congregations of their evolution acceptors?
07:44 PM on 05/27/2010
You guys are changing Christianity so fast I can't keep up. Just keep pounding that square peg into that round hole guys, it will fit if you just keep shaving off those sharp edges.
09:36 PM on 05/30/2010
Funny, when you think of the common gripe against Christianity--namely, that it never changes.

So I guess you're officially admitting that religion does, in fact, change with and over time? Yes? No?
04:29 AM on 05/31/2010
Oh, sure, the practice of religion has changed quite a bit over time. First they were not in charge, and became lion food, then they were in charge, and roasted other people, now they are no longer in charge, and suddenly discovered the need to explain to their flock and new marks how the stuff they have been roasting folks for in years gone by (but, sadly, at least around here, cannot any longer) is not, actually, "heretical", but does in fact not conflict at all, whatsoever, in any way, shape, or form, with their eternal divine truth. Totally not. And anyone who claims otherwise is a "fundamentalist." And should get burned. Ah, strike that.

Oh no, Christianity changes like a Chameleon alright. Still the same fairy tale though, the same basic delusion, superbeing, life after death, sins, commandments, Baby Jesus. But now as Christianity 2.0, with science compatibility plug-in, and a non-burn, non-malleus-maleficarum user interface skin (user configurable, we keep the old skins around for backward compatibility).
10:25 AM on 06/01/2010
Yes, it does change over time. The literal interpretation of the Bible has changed (for most) as science has proven that these can not be true. Many things that were once considered as punishable by death(as taken directly from the Bible), are now brushed off as being not so bad. Religion has "realized" it must change to make it more believable to an increasingly educated public, or die. Religion is backed into an inescapable corner here, as it changes it becomes glaringly obvious that it is men, not God that is making the changes. My comment was meant to show that people are trying to spin an obsolete product to try to stetch the life of it out a bit longer.
12:55 AM on 05/31/2010
I didn't know you had official status to declare anything! Can you please declare that a pint of chocolate ice cream is in fact a nutritious dinner?
10:07 AM on 06/01/2010
Done.
03:29 PM on 05/27/2010
I will never understand why there should be a presumed "conflict" between the scientific and the spiritual. Each is what it is, but I don't see them as being at odds with each other. Trouble begins when one tries to take the events of the Bible literally instead of being the spiritual guide that it is. I don't view the scientific and the spiritual in either/or terms, but feel both are needed. Life is multi-dimensional.
08:36 PM on 05/30/2010
Yes, but if they should ever cease to be in conflict in our pop culture--which they will, if the media ever gets tried of whipping this faux controversy and moves on to something else--then there goes the bank accounts of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and some others. Do you want to be the person who forces them into honest work?

The media lives on false, either/or dilemmas. They milk them as an alternative to doing actual journalistic work. Close the faith vs. science "debate," and you'll have the media competing with Dawkins and Harris for legitimate employment. In the present economy, that would be a heartless thing to do, I think. Just kidding.
02:31 AM on 05/26/2010
Before writing that most HP posters assume that religious people are fundamentalists, blogger writes that creationists are fundamentalists. Is there a difference between making a claim that creationism is real and that there is a god, even though the existence of god is specifically, to paraphrase blogger's words quoted below, is just as devoid of any ascertainable measure to support or falsify as creationism. So, why shouldn't I believe that creationists are fundamentalists because they think their beliefs are based on science and that since all other religious are faith-based, they are all unreliable. I'll stick to science and my belief that my guardian angel is a unicorn.

"Where does that leave religion? Well, it depends what you mean by religion. When religion (or more likely its fundamentalist adherents) begins to make claims in the complete absence of evidence and in a manner that is not falsifiable, and when those claims are passed off as scientific, the record must be set straight. Creationism, in all of its guises, including intelligent design, regularly makes claims of exactly this sort. Rather than addressing evidence, creationists simply make faith statements and expect that those faith statements be taught in science classes.

While none of us should hesitate to attack such activities, it's well worth pointing out that most mainstream religions don't do this. " Except for the god thing.
12:42 AM on 05/27/2010
". Is there a difference between making a claim that creationism is real and that there is a god, even though the existence of god is specifically, to paraphrase blogger's words quoted below, is just as devoid of any ascertainable measure to support or falsify as creationism"

Yes there is difference. Creationism is an attempt to use a faith-based pov to posit a truth in the physical world of matter, senses and measurements. Belief in a god, is, for most theists not considered a scientifically verifiable or falsifiable proposition.
01:27 AM on 05/27/2010
"'is just as devoid of any ascertainable measure to support or falsify '" to re-quote myself. Methodology matters in science. Not being able to falsify or support is not an acceptable methodology. Since this is true of both god and creationism, neither can be scientifically be proven to exist. Therefore, they don't.

Why are these two things not measurable? According to the author as well: one is not true and the other is real but not measurable. The author says creationism is not ascertainable or falsifiable. But neither is god. And you agree to that. So, how can he or a theist say that one is valid (god) and the other is not if neither is measurable? Your argument seems to be that to a believer, he exists but on faith because it's not provable or provable. An atheist, or logician, would say that if measurement denotes existence, then the impossibility to measure god by any means there is no god. Therefore, god (as we define it now anyway) does not exist.

He also has not manifested in any other material (measurable) way other than in visions or as voices in people's head. These manifestations have been proven not to be from god, but symptoms from brain tumors or schizophrenia, or some other mental/bio-chemical ailment.

People just want there to me something more. There's not. We should all make the most of it and not shill out dreams and fantasies to pay for a new boat.
11:29 AM on 05/27/2010
If God has any impact on this world, it would stand to reason that its presence and properties are just as open to rational thought and scientific exploration as anything else, irrespective of what theists think of the verifiability or falsifiability of their beliefs.

At the end of the day, the existence of a superbeing that created the universe and continues to control it, if this is indeed the content of religious beliefs, is a question of fact. Such a being either exists or it doesn't, and I see no reason why this matter could not be subject to scientific investigation.

There is of course the common cop-out that reduces beliefs to precisely those propositions that have no connection to the physical, assuming for the sake of argument that this is even meaningful (and disregarding that religious folks are notoriously bad at sticking to that magistrate whenever they can afford not to). Even in this rather contrived case religion conflicts with science not in the propositions they make, but in the way it teaches people to reach "truth", in fact it even conflicts in the notion of "truth" itself.

In other words, even if you could disentangle the theories of science and religion (and you cannot really), their metatheories are still in direct conflict with each other, and to me this is where religion does most harm in the modern West.
09:16 PM on 05/30/2010
You can't perceive of religious belief as anything but fundamentalism. Therefore, all religious belief is fundamentalism.

Amazing how that works. So, tell me, if you were convinced that three moons circled the Earth, would those extra two moons appear? Wow.

Should I call you "God"?
12:46 AM on 05/31/2010
No, I perceive all of religion to be faith based and therefore not existent. Same with all gods. Do you know something no one else on earth knows? Have you seen god? Or should I call you "god" for knowing something that is unproven.
12:53 AM on 05/31/2010
"if you were convinced that three moons circled the Earth, would those extra two moons appear? Wow."

Why would I be convinced that 3 moons exist when I know that there is only one? And would such a belief, which would be based on zero science, make two extra moons appear? You are looking up the wrong end of logic my friend.
12:02 AM on 05/26/2010
The old saying, worth repeating, is that science is not atheistic, it is agnostic. In other words, science shouldn't be in the business of pushing an agenda, but completely neutral on all agendas.

People being people, that is rarely the case, which is why evolution is less about science and has 'evolved' into an agenda which attempts to disprove the bible.

It's also interesting that there are so many who claim to be intelligent, rational people who have arrived at all their conclusions with a completely unemotional and scientific method.

Until you start talking in seventh-grade biology terms and take the position that what is in the womb after conception is a human being. Suddenly, science goes out the window.
12:45 AM on 05/27/2010
"evolution is less about science and has 'evolved' into an agenda which attempts to disprove the bible. "

Sorry, the fundamentalists were the ones who claimed that evolution went against the Bible. They were the ones that went on the offensive when they tried to
1. Ban the teaching of it in science class, and
2. Claim that evolution was godless.
11:13 AM on 05/27/2010
But, uh, weren't they right? I mean, what about that creation stuff in the Bible?

Last I checked, that didn't say anything about God gently, *imperceptibly*, guiding some evolutionary process, but it said a lot of other stuff that in the light of modern science seems a little dubious to say the least.
10:03 PM on 05/30/2010
Yes, but the Dawkins clones insist that we're all fundies. Don't try to argue with them. They're right, we're wrong. Just go along with that perception. They're not capable of debate.
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Show me some evidence.
02:33 PM on 05/31/2010
Of all of the argument against the validity of evolution the most absurd must be “evolution .... has 'evolved' into an agenda which attempts to disprove the bible”. Anyone who would make such an argument has never been around major league scientists.

Scientists are competitive. Many have egos you’d have difficulty imagining. Proving one another wrong is a large part of their vocation. The idea that large numbers of scientists would collude to obscure the truth is beyond absurd. Any scientist who can show evidence invalidating Darwinian evolution would win a Noble Prize.

If a mainstream scientist could demonstrate Darwinian evolution to be wrong they would do so and there would be no way to suppress the truth.
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10:34 PM on 05/25/2010
Yes, yes, yes, don't scare the fairy tail believers who aren't complete idiots into the waiting arms of fairy tail believers who ARE complete idiots. I get it. It's still all bullshit. ^_^
12:46 AM on 05/27/2010
intolerant, aren't you. Clearly you have disdain over someone else's belief, not concerns about them trampling your liberties.
04:13 AM on 05/31/2010
You say that as if those two things would be mutually exclusive or conflicting, as opposed to one being a consequence of the other.
05:58 PM on 05/25/2010
The photo is absurd. The clerical attire is clearly taken from a costume shope with a big cross around the guy's neck just in case we don't immediately grasp that he's a priest. Another example of non religious people trying to remember what religious people look like.
11:24 AM on 05/30/2010
Do you think that's a real scientist in the picture?