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Is Rick Perry Smarter than a Fifth Grader? Not When it Comes to Science

Posted: 08/24/11 11:46 AM ET

For those of us who care deeply about science literacy and who work to create an appropriate, and respectful, understanding between science and religion, Rick Perry's entry into the Republican presidential race offers both good and bad news.

On the positive side, Perry has decided not to run away from his past. With the exception of his position on vaccinations for the human papillomavirus, he is embracing rather than distancing himself from his previous record making it very easy to recognize where he stands.

On the negative side, his past record clearly demonstrates both a dangerous misunderstanding of the nature of science and a willingness to jettison science when its conclusions are at odds with his politics.

Perry's stance on the theory of evolution is especially troubling and emblematic of his overall disdain for modern science. Simply put, Perry's position either represents willful ignorance of both science and the law or demonstrates that he lacks basic knowledge that fifth graders should have.

Just this past Thursday in New Hampshire, in response to a child's question, Perry described evolution as "a theory that's out there" and one that's "got some gaps in it." His latest statement is remarkably similar to what his office wrote to a Texas voter in 2006 when questioned about intelligent design: "Recognizing that evolution is a theory, and not claimed by anyone to be more than that, the governor believes it would be a disservice to our children to teach them only one theory on the origin of our existence without recognizing other scientific theories worth consideration."

As any well-educated fifth grader could tell you, in science, a "theory" is as good as it gets. Although "theory" in common parlance means nothing more than a guess, in science it means something very different. An idea rises to the level of theory in science only after numerous, independent tests have been performed and have yielded consistent data. A scientific theory offers insight into the natural world while making predictions about the structure of the natural world. Scientific theories permit us to make sense of random facts.

Because science proceeds by disproof rather than proof, in other words because science is reliant on the concept of falsifiability, scientists must be open to the possibility that a commonly accepted theory might, at some time in the future, be replaced by a more finely tuned or more robust theory. But being open to the possibility of future work modifying and improving our present theories is a far cry from saying that something is "just a theory" and thus not deserving of any special attention.

Why does it matter if we understand the nature of science? What's the difference if we, as a society, refuse to accept what it means when a scientific concept rises to the level of theory? Ken Miller, in his 2008 book "Only a Theory: Evolution and the Battle for America's Soul," made the case more succinctly and more articulately than I could. Writing about William F. Buckley's attack on evolution, he said:

In many ways, I think that William F. Buckley misunderstood evolution, and he certainly misunderstood the nature of science. There is indeed a soul at risk in America's "evolution wars," but it is not the cultural one that Buckley sought to save. Rather, it is America's scientific soul, its deep and long-standing embrace of discovery, exploration, and innovation, that is truly at risk. That is why the stakes in this struggle are far greater than the wording of curriculum standards or the nature of textbook passages on the Cambrian fauna. The choice we face as a nation is nothing less than whether we will continue to be the world's scientific leader or quietly watch as the torch of discovery is lifted from our hands.

Amazingly, Perry's position on evolution actually does even more damage than did Buckley's. By unabashedly tying creationism to evolution as co-equals, Perry dismisses decades of established legal precedent and he marginalizes the religious mainstream in America in favor of those who demand that a particular fundamentalist perspective shape our legal and educational system.

In response to that same New Hampshire student mentioned above, Perry proudly claimed that Texas teaches both creationism and evolution. That view is consistent with how his office responded to a constituent's question in 2005: "The governor does not oppose presenting creationism alongside evolution in discussions about the origins of mankind."

The problem with this position is that it flies in the face of decades of legal precedent set by federal district courts and the U.S. Supreme Court. Creationism in all of its guises, including intelligent design, has consistently been legally determined to be nothing more than religious dogma and thus been outlawed from a place in public school science classrooms and laboratories.

What Perry's statements do demonstrate, however, is that the oft-repeated mantra by the Texas State Board of Education and its allies that they're not promoting creationism but rather encouraging students to be critical thinkers is nothing more than vapid verbiage. Perry makes it abundantly clear that the goal was to indoctrinate students with creationism rather than teaching them to carefully assess scientific arguments.

Perry and the creationists he speaks for reject evolution on religious rather than scientific grounds. Their narrow religious perspective dictates that scientific consensus be dismissed in favor of one very specific reading of an ancient religious text. In contradistinction to Perry and his ilk, there are many whose religious faith is strong enough to embrace the findings of science. Indeed, the thousands upon thousands of religious leaders who have endorsed The Clergy Letter Project have absolutely no problem accepting, understanding and celebrating modern evolutionary theory while promoting the deeply held tenets of their religion.

If Rick Perry had his way, both science and religion would be greatly diminished and we would move ever deeper into a Dark Age in which critical thought about complex issues would be pushed off the table.

 
 
 

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iLdoRight
Encouraging The Rightest Rightness
04:08 AM on 08/28/2011
Which fifth grader would we be talking about? And what subject would we be thinking of. Even though I have had the Bible in audio form for a long time, there was a time when I was in a group where the fifth graders had a more accurate knowledge of the Bible than I did, even though I had listened to it all many times. That does not mean that they will be able to keep all the right Bible principles in force at all the right times in their lives, but they did have the potential. Can you imagine how many people there are in the United States named Rick Perry who are not happy with all Rick Perry people?
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Todd G Chavey
11:30 AM on 08/27/2011
If you believe in something bigger than yourself. If you look out in space to look for answers, you have to believe in more than what science has to offer.
02:07 PM on 08/27/2011
I believe in plenty of things that are bigger than myself. Love, freedom, knowledge, etc. None of these require a belief in a deity.

That said, I don't care who believes what in their homes or churches. It, however, does not belong in the science classroom or in the law books.
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Todd G Chavey
05:42 PM on 08/27/2011
Do you believe and follow a scientific mankind? Do they have the complete answer on life itself?
03:10 PM on 08/27/2011
Furthermore...

"I'm troubled by people like Zimmerman who say that science is a closed system and only approved theories are allowed in and other theories are locked out."

I think you need to go back and read the article again. I find nowhere in the article where he said science was a closed system. What he spoke of was the methods by which science comes to their theoretical conclusions. Theories are neither "approved" or "rejected" merely due to their subject. It is obvious you are mistaking theory with hypothesis. An hypothesis is an idea that is put forth as an explanation for a certain phenomenon. Only after it has been tested and retested for falsifiability, then peer reviewed, does it become a theory. ID (creationism) can not be put under such rigorous testing. ID requires faith, nothing more.
02:21 PM on 08/26/2011
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I thought Perry recommended teaching Evolution and Intelligent Design side-by-side and to use your own intelligence to decide which one stands.

I'm troubled by people like Zimmerman who say that science is a closed system and only approved theories are allowed in and other theories are locked out.

The same scientists who hold the keys to acceptable theories once estimated the mass of the universe and now realize what was 100% is actually 10% and the remaining 90% is something they were not aware of - dark matter. Instead of being 100% correct they were only 10% correct.

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06:02 PM on 08/26/2011
"I thought Perry recommende­d teaching Evolution and Intelligen­t Design side-by-si­de and to use your own intelligen­ce to decide which one stands."

He may have recommended it, but it is not allowed. Evolution is a scientific theory whereas Intelligent Design is nothing more than an underhanded renaming of Creationism and is therefore a part of a belief system; i.e., religion. For that reason, IG is not allowed to be taught in public school systems. That is what churches, synagogues, temples, et.al. are for. Would you like it if your church were forced to teach Evolution side by side with the Biblical story of creation? Didn't think so. Besides, evolution and creationism have nothing to do with each other. That like saying puppy dogs can't exist because mushroom do. One does not necessarily rule out the other. Evolution says nothing about the creation of the universe or life. It only pertains to the developmental progression of life once it had begun. Abiogenisis would be the alternative to creationism as to the beginning of life from inorganic materials. Cosmology would be the study of the beginning of the universe. Please learn these words and their differences.
10:52 PM on 08/26/2011
If Perry did recommend teaching Evolution side by side with ID, he would be wrong to do so. We don't teach other pseudo-scienfic theories in science class. We don't teach alchemy or geocentrism. ID is creationism gussied up to look like science. It has presented no evidence of it's own and solely exists to discredit evolution. What ID'ists don't realize is that even if evolution was shown to be wrong tomorrow, that would not automatically make creationism correct. There is no evidence to support a theory.

Please re-read the 6th and 7th paragraph above. Science is not a closed system. In fact it's the exact opposite. Following the scientific method, any and all data is taken into account. Theories are peer reviewed. Hypothesies that are falisfied are tossed aside. The fact that new data may change a current model is considered a good thing as it means we are learning.
08:55 PM on 08/29/2011
"The mistake, of course, is to have thought that peer review was any more than a crude means of discoverin­g the acceptabil­ity—not the validity—o­f a new finding. Editors and scientists alike insist on the pivotal importance of peer review. We portray peer review to the public as a quasi-sacr­ed process that helps to make science our most objective truth teller. But we know that the system of peer review is biased, unjust, unaccounta­ble, incomplete­, easily fixed, often insulting, usually ignorant, occasional­ly foolish, and frequently wrong"

- Richard Horton, editor of The Lancet

Peer reviewed is a tool for excluding those hypothesis that the establishment wants outside the closed system.
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gregory57
Micro-bio, was one of my favorite classes.
12:22 PM on 08/26/2011
“If you can read this, I can prove God exists” by Perry Marshall

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/read-prove-god-exists/
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Angel1999
Microbiologist & Historian
12:45 PM on 08/26/2011
Argument from disbelief.
07:20 PM on 08/25/2011
The supporters of Intelligent Design are essentially working on a variation of "The Big Lie". In this case, it's the concept that if you repeat a lie enough times, people start to think it is at least possibly true. Here we are hearing over and over how ID is a valid scientific viewpoint, deserving of equal consideration in science classrooms. But the truth is that it is not science. If you belief in ID, great, go with God. But that is an apt pun, since ID is a religious concept, born about by people who wanted creationist thinking in a science classroom. And those facts aren't even disputed, if you look into the case of Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District, you see plainly (even before the ruling) what is going on.

By continually (falsely) stating that hundreds of scientists believe in ID, and that it deserves equal scientific consideration as any tested scientific theory, you start to confuse the masses who haven't researched the topic. If you learn about the history of the textbooks that were trying to get ID into classrooms, you invariable reach the same conclusion as the courts did. And that is that Intelligent Design = Creationism = Religion.
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Gerald Brogdon
12:57 AM on 08/26/2011
Premise: The whole battle of evolution is a battle of worldviews (wv). Two examples:
WV #1: Premise #1: There is no need for a supernatural God because nature can perform the same function. Premise #2: The earth is old to allow time for evolution to "work".
WV #2: Premise #1: There is a supernatural God. Premise #2: The earth is young.
Each of these WVs come from different Truth algorithms. So the clash is messy. Those who believe in WV#2 try to involve themselves in WV#1 algorithms; however, their training is in WV#2 truths, so they don't present their cases "correctly" in WV#1 mode. Angel1999 gave me an example: ID can't be disproved, and therefore, is not considered scientific, not because of its lack of predictability but because of its impossibility of being disproved. Science education has done a poor job in explaining the difference between theory and laws as evidenced by many of the discussions here. So WV#2 is attempting to present arguments justifying their positions in terms that WV#1 will accept. They are coming from different points on the knowledge ray. WV#1 begins w/ 0 knowledge, WV#2 begins with God's omniscience. This knowledge ray point of view is key in understanding both sides. Relished inside this discussion is confusion from both sides tallying the # of scientists that believe one theory or another. Where is the science in that?
01:38 AM on 08/26/2011
#1, #2, #1, #2...can't keep track, my head is spinning. I don't know if this is sincere or some form of deliberately confusing newspeak.
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Gerald Brogdon
12:59 AM on 08/26/2011
Another example: WV#2 have started home schooling their children because they don't want theories taught that contradict their "truths". They also don't want to pay their tax dollars to teach a "lie" (defined as a contradiction to their WV). Likewise, WV#1 don't want to pay their tax dollars to teach a "lie" (defined again as a contradiction to their WV). The public square is the intersection. Included in this relish is the constant incorrect suppositions of WV#1's viewpoints by WV#2 and vice versa. Include a little insulting laughter, disdain of any proofs by the other side regardless of their value/worth, and a resolution that neither side will bulge, and you get one entertaining show with little accomplished. I wonder what a little respect and education on what amounts to proper evidence or rebuttals would do to this spectacle.
researcher
researcher
01:57 PM on 08/25/2011
as far as a theory with gaps that is correct. theories become facts by those in science that have the herd effect and make science scientism.

now who cares if this theory is even a truth. so what? this is the evolution of the physical. one look at nature and one can see much of this evoultionary process. we are physical creatures of nature.

besides he wants the creation folks votes. he is a politician that will say and do anything to first win the repub primary then on to national votes for president. at least obama did not say anything to win votes. the yes we can guy that became no we cant. trust none of them they are bought and paid for politicians by a very corrupt political and reelection system.

study the evolution of the consciousness process and the evolution of the physical becomes just a science project. ie not that big of deal.

as long as those scientists think the brain and consciousness are synonyms they are a member of this materialistic herd effect. it is as powerful as the creation folks dogma. :-)
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ms schatzi
11:30 AM on 08/25/2011
Since the intellectual support Obama, how do they view his occupying a pew at the Rev Wrights "god damn America" church. Was it a scam possibly to get some votes from the religous? Or his he a true believer too.
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Angel1999
Microbiologist & Historian
01:02 PM on 08/25/2011
Since every politician who has ever held office in this country professes Christianity, that's simply a common denominator for both Republicans and Democrats. The difference being that Obama doesn't try to get his religious views turned into law. I really don't care what his personal views on religion are, or whether they're for real. What I care about are his policies, and as much as I might disagree with him on a number of issues, it's absolutely certain that I will agree with him more often than any of the Republican candidates.
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Drache
Change I can believe in? NO! Change I can see!
01:28 PM on 08/25/2011
Why would anyone care about his religious beliefs?
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ms schatzi
02:07 PM on 08/25/2011
And why care about Perry and Bachmanns?
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WheelsOnFire
Fiercely Independent
10:31 AM on 08/25/2011
It's always a ride on the "Perry-Go-Round" with him.

First he wants to secede from the country. Next he wants to govern the entire country.

First he's for allowing states the right to determine same-sex marriage laws. Next he wants a Constitutional amendment to deny states that right.

Round and round we go -- where Perry will land next, who knows?
01:36 PM on 08/26/2011
Michele Bachmann was on one of the Sunday morning news programs recently and she was going round and round with the interviewing saying the same thing. She supports the states rights to determine for themselves same-sex marriage, but would support a constitutional amendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman only.

The upcoming election really worries me. More so than ever, it appears it's going to come down to the lesser of two evils.
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WheelsOnFire
Fiercely Independent
03:40 PM on 08/26/2011
Yeah, Bachmann wants to play it both ways.

She's for the states having rights to determine same-sex marriage laws.

And she's for a Constitutional amendment to bar those rights.

That's Michele "The Weathervane" Bachmann -- for anything that will get her a vote or two.
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Kirk Job-Sluder
01:09 AM on 08/25/2011
Just for the record, the last big court case about intelligent design in schools (Kitzmiller) was brought to the courts by a Catholic mother and decided by a conservative Republican. The decision found that the school board violated Kitzmiller's rights as a Catholic by trying to insert fundamentalist protestant doctrine on biology in the classroom.
11:48 AM on 08/25/2011
You're a little off on your conclusions. The court ruled that the attempt to introduce id into science class violated the establishment clause of the us constitution (first amendment) and that id was creationism. It had nothing to do with catholics and protestants.
07:31 PM on 08/25/2011
I don't recall the case being heavy on Catholic vs. Protestant theology. I think the prime question of the trial was "Is Intelligent design science, or is it religion?" The courts ruled (correctly in my opinion), that it is religion.
06:02 PM on 08/24/2011
Just because someone doesn't believe in evolution doesn't means that they don't know ABOUT evolution. Evolutionists strike me as generally insecure people-they take anyone who disagrees with them as a personal threat-just like Fundamentalists.
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Angel1999
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07:26 PM on 08/24/2011
I assure you that we don't take them as personal threats. We just object to teaching our children non-science in science classrooms.
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Kirk Job-Sluder
08:49 PM on 08/24/2011
It's really quite simple. If you think your alternative theory has legs, then pull off a scientific revolution. There have been a half-dozen of them since Darwin, generally making evolution a stronger theory. Go out, collect the data, run the experiments, and take it to the conferences to build the consensus.

What doesn't work is to stack schoolboards to press an untested theory.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
04:02 PM on 08/24/2011
If his only strength is sticking to his dumb guns, then that's none too impressive.
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03:47 PM on 08/24/2011
Another idiot Republican from Texas. He'll probably be the next president of the Unithed States. How is it possible that these clowns get elected to any office?
06:44 AM on 08/25/2011
Tells you a great deal about the relative intelligence of the voting public, doesn't it?
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07:11 AM on 08/25/2011
That was my point! It's really sad! :(
08:45 AM on 08/27/2011
If all you peddle is simple answers to complex problems, the stupid and the intellectually lazy will flock to the polls to support you. Why think when you can let god handle it all for you. Hell, maybe Texas will allow students to answer "god" on every question in science class. Averages will rise, and they can declare that faith based education improves test scores.
03:35 PM on 08/24/2011
Good analysis of Perry. But Bachmann is no better. She demonstrates her understanding of science and evolution here: http://youtu.be/Damah0KH-Co . I doubt if any Republican out there is any better, and I won't vote for Obama because of his inept handling of foreign policy and the enonomy. Unless something changes before November 2012, I might be sitting out a presidential election for the first time since I reached voting age.
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03:04 AM on 08/25/2011
"I doubt if any Republican out there is any better"

Huntsman has said he accepts the science behind evolution and climate change. That alone isn't enough to justify voting for him but at least it's a step in the right direction... for a republican. Course it also probably means no one from the far right will vote for him either.
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David Silvey
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12:04 PM on 08/27/2011
I think that all the Republician wantabees should have to show their high school records.
02:30 PM on 08/25/2011
I have been thinking the same thing about sitting out the next election. The only person on the scene I would consider voting for is Ron Paul.
02:30 PM on 08/24/2011
Michael Zimmerman is a “Ph. D.” not of science I hope. His less than thoughtful attack on Governor Perry shows what has happen since progressive atheists have been allowed to claim science as their domain. His statement “in science, a "theory" is as good as it gets” is demonstrably false. Using the scientific method, after enough proofs are given a theory becomes a law. Does this ring any bells for the good doctor? His statement “Because science proceeds by disproof rather than proof, in other words because science is reliant on the concept of falsifiability” would turn scientific method on its head. Without proof, disproof would continue endlessly and uselessly like progressive economics. Maybe the Dr. Zimmerman needs a better fifth grade teacher. Unfortunately as the last part of the twentieth century has shown science has been corrupted by such thinking by which published scientific papers had to be pulled as fictitious and degrees revoked.
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OuterBanx North12
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04:11 PM on 08/24/2011
progressive atheists haven't claimed science as their domain; it's that science is the route they will use over citing contradictory biblical passages.

i'm anxious for your links to these scientifics papers that were pulled and the revocations of degrees.
05:18 PM on 08/24/2011
Science is not about politics or faith which is what Huxley tried to use it for in his defense of Darwinism. As for the links you requested, I didn’t keep any. Being that you are an intelligent person and it was in all the newspapers and on television, I sure you can look it up. I am sixty years old so I can only narrow the scandal down to point the exposure was somewhere from mid-1980’s through 1990’s. Good Hunting.
04:58 PM on 08/24/2011
I'd like to see the material you use to learn about science as your grasp of the scientific method is tenuous at best.
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DiogenesOfAlaska
Mitt Romney for president - of the Cayman islands!
02:29 PM on 08/24/2011
"If Rick Perry had his way, both science and religion would be greatly diminished and we would move ever deeper into a Dark Age in which critical thought about complex issues would be pushed off the table."

Yep. That's precisely what it is. An attempt in the good old exercise of dumbing down people.

Well, as you say, if Perry gets his way with this, the torch of discovery and innovation will be taken out of America's hands. Simple as that.

Does anyone notice that this is bad for business? I didn't think so. The future of America is feudalism, didn't y'all know that?

Which is great, because nobody will invade a feudalist nation, so America will be safe on top of that.

On the other hand, it might be simpler and better for everybody involved (which in this case, would be: everybody) to simply let Texas secede, even if that's currently illegal. The world would say thank you.