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Mike Lux

Mike Lux

Posted: September 29, 2009 05:32 PM

Public Option Stays Very Much Alive

What's Your Reaction?

Today we lost two amendment votes in the Senate Finance Committee on the public option, one offered by Sen. Rockefeller (8 ayes, 15 nays), and one by Sen. Schumer (10 ayes, 13 nays). Traditional media outlets everywhere are reporting this is a massive defeat for the public option, but I don't see it that way -- in fact quite the opposite.

I have said before (most recently here) that the Senate Finance Committee was conservative, in fact the most conservative committee makeup in the Senate, and that we would be likely to lose these votes:

With numbers like this, and with the entire Democratic base mobilized intensely around the issue, you would have to be politically tone deaf as a Democrat to oppose this, but this is the Senate Finance Committee, so public option advocates are likely to lose these votes. The question, though, will be the margin. On a committee this conservative, far more conservative than the Senate as a whole, if we only get seven votes for the public option amendments, that would have to be considered a major political victory, and a sign that the public option can definitely get a majority vote on the floor.

So getting 10 votes on this is promising for those of us who believe a public option is essential. Baucus, Conrad, Lincoln, Carper, and Bill Nelson are five of the ten most conservative Dems in the Senate, and on the Schumer amendment, even two of them went with us. President Obama is for it, a majority in the House is for it, and the whip count we're running at OpenLeft.com shows that 51 Democrats are in favor of it. And today Tom Harkin confirmed that our whip count is right:

"I have polled senators, and the vast majority of Democrats -- maybe approaching 50 -- support a public option," Harkin said told the liberal "Bill Press Radio Show." "So why shouldn't we have a public option? We have the votes.


"I believe we'll have the 60 votes, now that we have the new senator from Massachusetts, to at least get it on the Senate floor," Harkin later added. "But once we cross that hurdle, we only need 51 votes for the public option. And I believe there are, comfortably, 51 votes for a public option."

Will all this evidence, the public option will only be hard to beat if Democratic leaders decide they don't want to do it.

Today we lost two amendment votes in the Senate Finance Committee on the public option, one offered by Sen. Rockefeller (8 ayes, 15 nays), and one by Sen. Schumer (10 ayes, 13 nays). Traditional media...
Today we lost two amendment votes in the Senate Finance Committee on the public option, one offered by Sen. Rockefeller (8 ayes, 15 nays), and one by Sen. Schumer (10 ayes, 13 nays). Traditional media...
 
 
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08:32 PM on 09/30/2009
I really would prefer that the debate was between public option
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chappie
08:08 PM on 09/30/2009
who are these dems?
07:07 PM on 09/30/2009
We progressives would of course disagree. Capitalist politicians, most of those in Congress, will never regulate the private medical industry so long as they remain capitalists.

For excessive wealth capitalism has always been, and shall always be, in a state of war with democratic equality. The goal of equality being to destroy excessive wealth.
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TParrish
Favoite game: Mobius Strip Poker
02:06 PM on 09/30/2009
You know, there is another cost factor involved in the need for a public option, one I have not heard mentioned. This past spring one of my relatives was "released" from a hospital when her insurance ran out. Still sick and weak, she was sent home, where she died.

Not complaining, mind you, but we did what we could from 300 miles away, in-home nursing, visiting companions, paying bills, home modifications to make it more livable, etc.. We spent six figures trying to keep her alive until we could sort out the insurance thing.

The lack of a public option is killing people, and it is affecting more people than just the uninsured. Friends and family are taking up the slack all over the country, and we need relief as well. I considered not posting this, because it almost sounds like whining. It's not. It's just that there isn't much being said about this collateral damage.
02:44 PM on 09/30/2009
All of that detracts from the beloved GDP. You would think the GDP-loving GOP would be all over it.
07:14 PM on 09/30/2009
The GOP represent the rich ruling class, and are more concerned about over-population then doing things like healthcare that tend to increase population
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TParrish
Favoite game: Mobius Strip Poker
07:06 AM on 10/01/2009
I disagree that people who fight sex education in schools, fight condom programs in schools, push abstinence-only programs, and want to deny abortions in every case care a thing about over-population. Wanting to keep illegal aliens out is not about over-population, it is about racial purity.
12:31 PM on 09/30/2009
I see your logic, Mr. Lux, and I so hope you are right. Those senators who vote against a public option when the people want it should understand their next job description could be EX-senator.
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PATina
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
12:08 PM on 09/30/2009
I still have to ask what public option? One w/ a trigger? One that only 5-10% of the population will be eligible for? One that is based on Medicare? One that will be open to all?

I've said this before... It seems that if they put a page in this bill that had the words "PUBLIC OPTION" typed on it... many of you would support it simply because "public option" is in the bill.
12:38 PM on 09/30/2009
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PATina
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
01:20 PM on 09/30/2009
hahahahahahahahahaha
12:08 PM on 09/30/2009
The lesson from Chile and Latin America is unambiguous: the United States should support, not fear, a public option and increased government regulation of the private corporations. This will help to expand coverage, reduce abuse and keep the insurers in check, leading to lower costs and better health and well-being for the American people. from Truthout.org.

"Alright, you dirty rats," Give us public option or a lot of people are gonna get hurt. No doubt.
11:49 AM on 09/30/2009
Well, Mike, I'm calling Snowe again and Collins too. They have gotten very good at ignoring people they don't agree with, though, and a crafting crafty letters that side step the most important issues. Still, it doesn't hurt to try.
11:45 AM on 09/30/2009
I hope the Public Option can remain
11:36 AM on 09/30/2009
I hope and pray you're right.
11:07 AM on 09/30/2009
After yesterday, I think you will see the progressives rise up. I wrote/called Baucus and Conrad yesterday. I will write Lincoln, Snow and Nelson today. They are going to get an ear full from us....right? You are going to do more than just complain on a message board I hope.
11:33 AM on 09/30/2009
Done. And if you know anybody living in these senators' states, make sure they know what's up with these clowns. I am constantly after my friends and relatives in Arizona about Jon Kyl.
10:40 AM on 09/30/2009
Huffington Post, along with the rest of the media, played a major role in getting the "no" vote on the public option. There were always many more PRO public option citizens as well as PRO-public option rallys and marches. The media wasn't allowed to cover those. So, who is running the country?


Huffpost may not be able to print this comment. (heh)
12:00 PM on 09/30/2009
ditto
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SpinDown08
Art God
10:31 AM on 09/30/2009
Cheer up people. We need to call in backup:

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rlkinny
Liberals do the math.
11:38 AM on 09/30/2009
Great! Blue dogs better watch out!
11:50 AM on 09/30/2009
lol good work
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Dbos
Single payer universal health insurance agent
10:22 AM on 09/30/2009
Keep the pressure on write ,call visit and tell them you demand a vote on the floor
10:12 AM on 09/30/2009
Yesterday's vote was about as surprising as if Florida had defeated some high school team in football. Everyone, including all Media outlets expected the "public option" amendments to go down in the Finance Committee. However, to report the truth of the matter would not have made for good NEWS. Now that the obvious has occured, the debate has occured and the record clearly shows who voted against what, we can get down to real business. Now is when the rubber meets the road. There will be a major HealthCare Reform Bill signed into law before Thanksgiving, and there is better than a 60 - 40 chance it will have some form of "public option" plan in it.