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What Kind of God Do Wall Street Bankers Believe In?

Posted: 05/19/11 09:42 AM ET

There was a pretty amazing moment Tuesday during the JPMorgan Chase shareholders meeting. A woman from the group Illinois People's Action, Dawn Dannenbring, who as a shareholder had the right to speak at the meeting, said to CEO Jamie Dimon: "As a person of faith, my God believes you shouldn't take advantage of people when they are down. Do you believe in the same God I believe in?" Dimon was apparently a little taken aback, answering, "That's a hard one to answer."

Well, I'm sure on one level it was. He wouldn't have known what religion the woman was, or what she truly thought about God. He probably has never been asked his theological views in his job as JPMorgan Chase CEO before. But even though I have no knowledge whatsoever of Jamie Dimon's faith or theology, I feel extremely confident in saying I know the answer: it would be "no."

I don't know what Dannenbring's religion is, but it is clear she comes out of the historic faith tradition that takes the idea of a God caring about justice for regular people seriously. From the God of Genesis condemning Cain for not being his brother's keeper, to Old Testament prophets who condemned their societies for throwing poor people out of their homes and leaving people to starve in the streets, to Jesus telling people to treat the weak and poor with mercy and help the least of these, the Judeo-Christian Bible shows us a God who cares deeply about economic justice and the downtrodden. And it isn't just the Bible: pretty much every major religion, and every major ethical system ever developed, shares fundamental notions of fairness, compassion, honesty, treating others as you would want to be treated, and looking out for those weaker and poorer than you. These ideas are thousands of years old, and are the basis of a decent civilization.

Now I know some people in the financial industry who are fine people. Some of them understood the flaws in our financial system, and helped make constructive proposals on financial reform. Some of them invested the old-fashioned way, in great companies that are creating new jobs in America. But it seems apparent that most of the top executives and traders of the biggest financial institutions in America -- the six Too Big To Fail banking conglomerates that own assets equivalent to 64 percent of our GDP -- tend to get deeply confused by any question related to this kind of moral, ethical, or religious set of values because they don't think about them in any way in their work lives. Some -- the people who blatantly steal bigger and bigger sums of money from their own companies and clients -- have no ethical code at all. But even for most of those who do, the ethical code is constructed so that it allows them to abuse everyone outside of his or her own firm: what they believe is that their sole obligation is to their shareholders. Period. The bank clerks and secretarial staff don't get paid very well and don't share in the big bonuses handed out every quarter. Their clients sometimes get the short end of the stick, as these firms have frequently and notoriously traded against their clients' interest. Their mortgage holders have been cheated over and over again, as the courts and more and more government investigators have been finding. The small businesspeople who accept debit and credit cards from the big banks have been forced to pay exorbitant swipe fees for years.

Beyond these moral failings with the people they deal with most closely, these big bankers seem to have no ethics about other people in general. After gambling recklessly with other people's money, creating the biggest financial panic since the crash of 1929, needing to take a massive government bailout (TARP ain't the half of it, check out this article about the free money they got from the Fed), wrecking the world economy and throwing 8 million Americans out of work, and then handing themselves record bonuses the year after the crash, they seem to feel not even an iota of shame. One Wall Street banker even compared Obama to Hitler for daring to suggest they pay a fair share of taxes.

Now, after outspending reformers more than 500 to 1 during the legislative fight over financial reform last year, and weakening the bill in some important ways, these same Wall Street bankers are trying to roll back the best of the reforms we did win, and they are trying to weasel out of any liability over destroying the housing market. On derivatives regulation, on swipe fee reform, on the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, and on helping homeowners with underwater mortgages, the big banks on definitely on the wrong side. They don't want any oversight; they don't want to negotiate with anyone over anything; they don't want to help anyone they have wronged or anyone in financial stress; they don't want to pay another dime in taxes even as they make record profits and take home record bonuses. They don't care who they hurt, as long as they stay wealthy and overwhelmingly powerful.

So look, I'm not going to claim to know whether a God of compassion, mercy, and justice exists. But I do feel quite confident in stating there is no way Jamie Dimon could believe in such a God, and still act the way he does as CEO of JPMorgan Chase.

 
 
 
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netman714
More disgusted daily
10:29 AM on 05/24/2011
I'm sure they'll hedge their beta and donate to many churches, but there's no way bankers act they way they do and believe in any god.
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11:29 AM on 05/20/2011
I wonder what kind of god the likes of Andrew Cuomo, Barney Frank and the rest of the gang that set up the corrupt HUD system believe in?
03:23 PM on 05/22/2011
The same one that's sending you to hell?
03:39 PM on 05/22/2011
JP Morgan got his start in business by buying defective rifles from the US army during the early days of the civil war, rifles sold for scrap metal value in the east USA and selling them to army buyers out in the Midwest for a fat profit. These rifles were known to blow off the thumbs of soldiers who used them. That story is in the JP Morgan biography: The House of Morgan: An American Banking Dynasty and the Rise of Modern Finance. You could google search terms: JP Morgan defective rifles.

You might want to google JP Morgan for billion dollar investments in Nazi businesses during the 1930s, even after Night of the Long Knives and Aryanization had exposed the rotted core of Hitler. Thomas Lamont was heavily invested in Imperial Japan and Mussolini's Italy at the same time -- you don't even need to read a book, it's all on the web at your fingertips. Google: Thomas Lamont $100 Million Loan to Mussolini 1926. I bet that $100MM came in handy during the depression when people worldwide were standing in soup lines, and a million dollars was still REAL MONEY.
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wakeupyouall
08:49 AM on 05/20/2011
it really go back to the protestant ethic and the idea god reward good behavior with wealth. Therefor we worship wealth instead of god. Jesus said however it is harder for a rich man to get to heaven than for a camel to fit though the eye of a needle. I'd say wall street has no religion nor pariotism.
08:35 AM on 05/20/2011
Which God do they believe in?

Simple....Mammon.

...and as Jesus said you cannot serve two masters.

We have created a system in this country where corporations have all the rights of individual human beings...but none of the moral responsibilities that we expect of actual people, and no real recourse to punish the ORGANIZATION itself when it acts in ways that are destructive, unethical and criminal.
08:17 AM on 05/20/2011
The rich are not like you and me.
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Tyler James Lee
08:04 AM on 05/20/2011
The Street has always had the same religion, the same god, an ancient one: Mammon. Happy, happy Mammon...he of the full bottom line. You could say that things are looking up, that we're no longer roasting infants to placate the gods...but no, you couldn't say that, after all...
03:50 AM on 05/20/2011
We need to stop using god and religion as a measuring stick to determine whether or not someone is a "good person". Judge their actions and the results of their work, not what they say on holidays or at large public meetings. I'm sure this woman is a nice person but if you just look at the actions of JP Morgan Chase and the other big banks, the question answers itself.

Politicians also use god to gain kinship with voters. If there was no religion there would be no Republican party because nobody would vote for them based on ideas and track record.
08:37 AM on 05/20/2011
Yeah they would.

Because the GOP's policies are in the direct (short-term) interests of those at the top of society. But there are not enough of these people to win elections.

That is why the GOP needs the Culture War. Because they can use social/religious/racial/ethnic issues to get working-class and middle-class voters so riled up....that they vote against their own economic self-interests.


...and applaud themselves for having done so.
02:43 AM on 05/20/2011
To me, most of them are psychopaths who worship the god of money.
And also bow down to the gods of power and pleasure.

And their religious rites include being greedy, selfish, and hurting others as long as they benefit.
Their sacrificial lambs are anybody they can step on and take advantage of.

If you believe in Satan, he would be so proud of many of our American CEO's, Banksters, and Wall Street Warlocks.
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03:08 AM on 05/20/2011
Indeed! Thats right. Alot of the elite are proud of the fact that they do not have a conscience and infact if have you have a conscience you are weak. What these fools do not realize that conscience is what prevents mankind from its own detruction.
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Daleri Rileda
Jungle Jargon
02:25 AM on 05/20/2011
Biblical teaching requires that all debts be cleared every seven years.

The playing field needs to be leveled every once in a while although who has the authority to do such a thing?
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Jim Pasterczyk
Banned!
11:58 PM on 05/19/2011
It's either Baal, Mammon, or one with very, very large needle eyelets to fit those camels through.
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12:41 AM on 05/20/2011
At Bohemian grove where alot of the ruling elite visit they worship Moloch a demon of lucifer, so you can so with some the elite their god is not necessarily your god.
Michael5555
Explain how my micro-bio doesn't meet your guidel
11:31 PM on 05/19/2011
What does it say about the president for not going after wallstrret for the crimes they commited ? At least Bush prosecuted Martha and Ken. Obama won't even mention the crimes wallstreet commited.
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omeo2013
Jesus says we should cut taxes for millionaires.
03:11 AM on 05/20/2011
You ain't lyin', friend. I like Obama, but it irks me to no end that no one on Wall Street has gone to jail over the damage they've done.
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ScreenName05
11:12 PM on 05/19/2011
If the world ends on Saturday, a whole lot of right wing folks are going to have the shock of their limited lives - they are the ones who are going to be left behind - cause if a god does exist, there is no way in he!! he could support their money grubbing, kick the unemployed and sick and poor when you have got them down.
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ScreenName05
11:09 PM on 05/19/2011
What god does he believe in?

money, money money.....
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omeo2013
Jesus says we should cut taxes for millionaires.
10:27 PM on 05/19/2011
I've recently come to the realization that many fiscal conservatives - perhaps most of them - are atheists. I'm fine with that, btw; I'm just saying, there's no way you can believe in a benevolent god and not think that you're going to be in big trouble when you go to meet him for a lifetime of greed, lies, and selfishness. It eludes me how religious conservatives can ally themselves with these people.
08:41 AM on 05/20/2011
Everyone has a personal religion.

Even if that religion is nothing more than serving their own Ego as a law unto itself.

I've met many atheists who are quite moral individuals.

So the issue is not so much whether someone believes in the truth of any of the traditional religions. What it comes down to is whether or not the person can see things from more than their own personal perspective...and whether or not they can empathize with what they see from those alternate perspectives.

Someone who can...will generally behave in a moral fashion.

Somone who cannot....will act in anti-social ways, to varying degrees.
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YouTubeJEFF9K
Big on the Big Picture.
09:22 PM on 05/19/2011
I'm wondering what kind of God Republican voters believe in. It's hard to fathom that anyone who has read the Bible for themself, rather than relying on someone like Pat Robertson or Glenn Beck to tell them what's in it, could vote that way.
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Daleri Rileda
Jungle Jargon
06:25 AM on 05/20/2011
Shifting the focus...changing the subject...confusing the issues...

The world has been in a downward spiral ever since rejecting the teaching of Scripture.
08:44 AM on 05/20/2011
They belive in the God of the Old Testament....with a veneer of the New Testament draped over it.

The God of the New Testament is a truly Universal God. The God of the Old Testament is a TRIBAL God who looks after His "Chosen People"...and vents His wrath upon His---and their---enemies.

God renounced that tribalistic perspective. But---at the end of the day---people worship the kind of God that makes sense to them...and reflects where their own hearts and minds are.