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5 Myths About MBAs

Posted: 11/02/11 01:16 PM ET

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Should I get an MBA? More and more people seem to be asking that question, with a 9.9 percent drop in applications for two year MBA programs, the third consecutive year showing decline. Meanwhile, more specialized degrees, like a Master of Finance, are seeing increases. Is the MBA no longer about training tomorrow's captains of industry and more about training the next Richard Fuld, last CEO of Lehman Brothers and infamously dubbed the "Worst CEO of All Time"?

While, certainly, a few bad apples have given MBAs an aura of infamy, I'd like to bust a few commonly held myths about MBAs.

Full disclosure: I have an MBA. Fuller disclosure: I went to HBS. Even fuller: I am inextricably linked to Hult International Business School.

Myth #1: MBAs are greedier.

MBAs are occupying the world. On the hunt for more money and power, the typical MBA looks no further than their paycheck for career and life goals. WSJ cites the stats to prove it: the typical MBA expects twice the salary of an undergraduate, an average of $85,854 to the typical undergrad's expected $42,859. No wonder, as MBAs tend to gravitate to the most mercenary of places -- Wall Street. The top industry choices of your average MBA graduate? Finance and consulting, by a long shot.

Truth:

More and more business school graduates are looking to impact the world. Case in point? The dream employer for graduating MBAs is Google, by a wide margin. For five years in a row. According to a Google spokesman, "People want to work here because they know they'll be doing innovative work." (Stock options help, too). CNN Money reports that MBAs going into the Internet field expect to be making nearly 30 percent less than their banking counterparts five years into their career. Business school students seem to be looking beyond their paycheck and considering their impact on the world.

Myth #2: MBAs can't do anything useful.

While MBA may stand for Master of Business Administration, there are plenty of alternative acronyms -- "Master of Business Advancement," "Master of Barely Anything," and a few other, less choice names. MBAs know everything -- but specialize in nothing. Time's article "Why a Rise in MBAs Coincided With the Fall of American Industry" contends that America's once-proud automotive industry was destroyed by MBAs and that America needs to "fire the MBAs and let engineers run the show."

Truth:

There is a vast number of MBAs who truly want to change the world, whether through business or social enterprise. Wharton School of Business reported this year that more students than ever are crafting careers around the nonprofit sector. In addition, students from almost all of the FT's top 100 business schools, including Harvard, Columbia and Stanford, participated in the Hult Global Case Challenge, the biggest case competition in the world that crowdsources ideas from MBAs. In total, over 20,000 consulting hours were donated by top business school students for charities such as Water.org, Habitat for Humanity, Solar Aid and One Laptop Per Child.

Myth #3: MBAs have low ethics.

Bloomberg reported that "MBA students cheat more than other grad students," a closer look reveals a more nuanced story. Even more telling, after the financial crisis, students at Harvard Business School circulated an ethics pledge -- that was only signed by 1 in 5 students. Business Insider demeaned the effort as "silly and infantilizing" and Jon Stewart parodied this well-intended but ill-received pledge on the Daily Show.

Truth:

While 56 percent of MBAs admitted to cheating, so did 54 percent of engineers. The vast majority of MBAs aren't corrupt, power-hungry businessmen. Many are at the forefront of much needed social change. From HBS grad Salman Khan of Khan Academy to Columbia Business School grad Warren Buffett to the executive team of Teach for America, this "silent majority" of MBAs spend their careers making changes instead of making headlines.

Myth #4: MBAs are Master of Bull...

MBAs are notoriously good at talking and even better at making themselves look good. The Management Myth, written by Matthew Stewart, declares that "MBAs have taken obfuscatory jargon -- otherwise known as bullsh*t -- to a level that would have made even the Scholastics blanch." Bullsh*tting seems to be built into the business school curriculum. MBAs spend their time analyzing case studies, talking to classmates, making PowerPoints, networking and learning the jargon: "Let's incentivize the best of breed to monetize the paradigm shift to create a win-win for all stakeholders."... Huh?

Truth:

Actually, the best storytellers are usually the best brand builders. Take Phil Knight of Nike or Joe Coulombe of Trader Joe's, both Stanford MBAs and marketing giants. Joe knew the power of a good story. His grocery stores were born in the shadow of then-giant 7-Eleven, which was big, cheap and had the best locations. Joe's strategy wasn't to out-compete in prices or offer better service. Instead, this American franchise managed to convince their target demographic (the over-educated but underpaid) of its "exotic neighborhood store" pedigree with faux-Caribbean oars and steel drum music. More than 60 years and $8 billion in revenue later, Trader Joe's proves that a little "obfuscatory jargon" can make a big difference.

Myth #5: MBAs can't think outside four quadrants.

MBAs come out indoctrinated with business school principles and theories that don't do much good when they hit the real world. MBAs often don't have the experience in relevant fields, but are sure their "business insights" will lead to a breakthrough. This leads to MBAs trying to fit everything inside their neat models, which might fit inside PowerPoint, but are out of sync with commercial reality.

Truth:

You don't have to look far to see that MBAs are definitely not only thinking outside the box, but redefining it. We find MBAs at the helm of America's best tech companies -- Facebook's COO Sheryl Sandberg and Apple's CEO Tim Cook. HBS alumnus Sheryl Sandberg is not only revolutionizing the web, but also whole societies, as we saw in the Arab Spring (and, incidentally, she was an awesome college aerobics instructor!). Duke Fuqua MBA Tim Cook has inherited Steve Job's mantle at Apple, the disruptor of at least a half dozen industries. Tim can't rely on four quadrants for easy answers as the rest of the world looks to him to redefine them.

 
Should I get an MBA? More and more people seem to be asking that question, with a 9.9 percent drop in applications for two year MBA programs, the third consecutive year showing decline. Meanwhile, ...
Should I get an MBA? More and more people seem to be asking that question, with a 9.9 percent drop in applications for two year MBA programs, the third consecutive year showing decline. Meanwhile, ...
 
 
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01:06 PM on 11/03/2011
this article actually made me want to get an MBA, which has not really been on my bucketlist before. v well written, thanks.
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Dave F
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10:05 PM on 11/02/2011
Yes, this article mentioned a few names of people who have built successful businesses that also happen to have MBA's. But honestly, from the very beginning, it sounded more like an MBA justifying why she has her MBA than an article about why an MBA is a good thing.

Those "successfu­l" ones? No proof that their MBA was what made them successful­. Dave Thomas of Wendy's was a successful entreprene­ur, and he only had a high school diploma. Peter Jennings only had a high school diploma; now national reporters are practicall­y required to have a Master's.

The MBA's I have known have not been the best salesmen or women I knew, but they sure know how to talk like they were. The MBA's I encountere­d peripheral­ly knew how to "cut" things in a business, but knew nothing about how to invest in people to make a business grow. They knew numbers-on­ly, and zero about investing in human capital.

And if one needs a name to prove that an MBA doesn't mean the degree proves you are successful at "everythin­g," one need look no further than our last President, George W. Bush, who managed to run several of his daddy's friends companies in the ground before he became President, and managed to cut taxes twice the SAME years he started two wars - something NO country has EVERY done in HISTORY. And now we're reaping the rewards of his poor management­.

Go away MBA's; usually you make things worse.
04:59 AM on 11/03/2011
Given your own criticism of others having "absolutely zero evidence or facts in your posts," you seem to curiously be unable to back up your own opinions with anything but hearsay, more opinions, and a single trite and tired example of Bush.

The author was clearly saying that a lot of MBAs have been successful, not that you need an MBA to be successful or that a MBA guarantees success.
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Dave F
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10:37 AM on 11/03/2011
As I noted in my original post, the author provided exactly zero evidence that the MBA's of the successful entrepreneurs she listed was what MADE them successful. Based on my own experiences (am I not allowed to express an opinion with my points?), I have not found any MBA's that I have encountered in my life to have anything more than vapid generalizations and slick wording, or the tired and useless practice of "cutting expenses" rather than investing in human capital (a point I see you completely ignored). Since the comment section doesn't allow me nearly enough space to make a point-by-point critique of the author's post, I did the best I could in the space allowed (and I think I had two words left available).

I also pointed out that the author's article sounded more like a piece defending why SHE has an MBA, and that it has worth (in her eyes), rather than an actual piece with sufficient evidence that actually supports MBA's in general. In other words, it was a pretty weak argument - that was my point. Since my experiences actually line up nicely with the "myths" she promulgated, I see little reason to offer much counter-evidence when she herself provided little to back up her weak assertions.
09:25 PM on 11/02/2011
Oddly enough, the last time I seriously considered business school was in the mid-90s, thinking I could use it to transition to something besides journalism. At that time, it was pretty much a given that nearly every field could use a business "approach" -- from non-profits to arts organizations to public health to media. The idea being that any organization had to generate surplus cash to be sustainable, and that business school could teach you how to do that. When I went to international relations/economics school instead (SAIS) and flirted with the idea of investment banking, the guidance counselors told me pretty bluntly that I didn't have enough killer instincts (which has been a message throughout my career) and that I wouldn't survive, ie, finance was a snake pit.

So, getting to the point, this is well and elegantly written, but it reflects how polarized thinking about business has become, or business education, when the alternatives are greed on the one hand and NGOs and non-profits on the other.
08:39 PM on 11/02/2011
There is a correlation between the profusion of MBAs in this country since 1980 and the rise of plutocratic economic policies whose only purpose is to make the rich richer. Whether there is a cause and effect relationship remains to be proven.
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BBackSoon
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10:07 PM on 11/02/2011
I would agree with that.

I also see a profits over 'doing right by your employees' mentality. We have lots of them running around where I work. And the metrics of business look better when you only give employees 2.75% year after year. If you work in one of those departments that doesn't allow for upward movement you are stuck.

I don't dislike MBA's but I don't trust them.
10:25 PM on 11/03/2011
Agreed. There are a lot of bad apple MBAs out there.
08:37 PM on 11/02/2011
"Cousin Ming" does it again. Pearls of wisdom. She again demonstrates her capacity to cut through the nonsense and get to the truth. Among esteemed HBS graduates I would however have expected her to site George W. Bush, the third best US President of the entire 21st century.
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06:28 PM on 11/02/2011
"MBAs can't think outside four quadrants"

I laughed at that one. Can be true.....so true......


MBA's are cheap (to find) and getting one has nothing to do with education, and everything to do with credentialization. Most are not worth the paper they are printed on. The only reason to get one is to set yourself apart from others. Thats about it.


Im in the middle of mine, and i still got promoted over younger folks who have an MBA. They think its their meal ticket for some reason. It's not.



Nothing beats knowing how people work and knowing what you do - and doing it well for profit - because that is what business is. If you are getting one with the intent to "change the world" you are going to get eaten in short order, bleed heavily and die very poor and in debt.
10:27 PM on 11/03/2011
Agreed. An MBA without common sense and with too much arrogance can definitely be a bad combination.

Are you really learning nothing from your MBA though?
03:14 PM on 11/02/2011
We had the MBA president in George W Bush. He ran the country by the numbers, so everyone generated phony numbers to look good.

Higher test scores for minorities?
More widespread home ownership?
Number of terrorists captured?

Yeah, we have a spreadsheet for that.
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cyclone70
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02:16 PM on 11/02/2011
The MBA way is to chop, slash, cut, outsource

grow, create, hire, build, invent are not in their vocabulary.
01:06 PM on 11/02/2011
How many of the Wall Street bankers who ruined the economy have MBAs?
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WI Patriot
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06:29 PM on 11/02/2011
Most probably had PhD's in physics.
10:28 PM on 11/03/2011
lol. also, applied mathematics and engineering depts are popular harvesting fields.
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edejan
01:04 PM on 11/02/2011
You may think you clearing up the myths about MBAs but in my long working life I have found that the "myths" are the "truths." That is one of the most useless and predatory degrees on earth. I have seen workplace after workplace be destroyed by MBAs....and not one good outcome from any MBA to the actual business they are employed in. Call it prejudice...I call it the working person's perspective on MBAs.
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kd1s
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01:27 PM on 11/02/2011
Yes indeed, same as those with JD's that don't practice law.

I toyed with getting a masters but at least I was thinking of a M.Sc in Library and Information Science.
06:46 AM on 11/03/2011
Dangerous logic. "Call it prejudice...I call it...perspective."

Certainly, some industries more than others tend to attract the bad apples. I've known my fair share of MBAs and they definitely were some of the most hardworking, humble people I know, always willing to do "grunt work" when no one else wanted to and build up relationships by actually helping those around them.

But of course, you can just call me biased. :)