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Which Is More Useless: Limbaugh or a Classics Major?

Posted: 11/02/11 01:49 PM ET

Dear Mr. Limbaugh,

I see you have let your own educational insecurities shine through in your latest rant in which you "bravely" attempted to decipher the "sad-sack story" of a Classical Studies scholar. Bravo. If only you had taken a philosophy course about the Sophists, you might have been better at debating your point. Unfortunately, your rhetoric fails you and you blunder through your argument, proving the limited grasp you have on the concept of higher thinking.

You reference a picture you came across on the Internet (I believe, sir, that is called a 'meme'). The picture shows a letter written by a Classics student, whom you assume is a woman (thus also managing to offend feminists and male Classical scholars worldwide), detailing the lack of prospects "she" has, even though this person has a degree and understands Latin. This is heartbreaking, but it's not necessarily news. Nor does "she" speak for the numerous individuals currently studying Classics. These students know there is no money guaranteed from obtaining a degree in Classical Studies. They study Classics because they want to understand the roots of Western thinking (quite patriotic of them, isn't is Mr. Limbaugh?), or they love the stories and works of great thinkers (works conservatives used to encourage others to read). They take Classical Studies for the same reasons other students study history or political philosophy -- to widen and inform their thinking, and to better understand they world they live in.

"What the hell is Classical studies? What classics are studied? Or, is it learning how to study in a classical way? Or is it learning how to study in a classy way as opposed to an unclassy way? And what about unClassical studies?"

All right Mr. Limbaugh, I'll tell you. I was a Classical Studies student; I'm no expert, but I took the courses. Classics is a branch of the humanities that examines language, literature, philosophy, history, art, culture, and archaeology of the ancient Mediterranean world. You know, the Greeks. The Romans. The guys who the Founding Fathers were crazy about. The guys who inspired... democracy. THOSE GUYS. The students who dream of having a Classics-based job understand that most of them will be in school for a majority of their lives and will have to be professors; others will take this knowledge into other fields with them -- politics, physics, archaeology, medicine (it's less socialist than you think Mr. Limbaugh), they can extend their education in terms of modern politics, writing, physics, and medicine. Those who believe in instant wealth if they study Classics are idiots -- the exact same idiots in other classes who fully expect that a job and a $500,000 a year paycheque are in their immediate future.

Indeed, there are uses for Classical Studies in all aspects of life. Workplace politics are much less stressful if you can think to yourself, "Well, at least this isn't the Roman Senate, and the jerk who steals my lunch from the communal fridge isn't plotting my assassination! Whew!" Or, if you are wondering "Why on earth did the United States choose democracy over a monarchy?" Classical Studies has your answer. Classical Studies explains the basic concepts of math (I'm assuming then the Pythagorean theorem wasn't easy for you, Mr. Limbaugh, just as you assumed the Classical Studies student was a woman. It hurts, doesn't it?) as well as science.

You pointed out that there will be no degree to change a useless person into a useful person. This is true. There are hundreds of useless engineers, writers, politicians, historians, and mechanics. There is also at least one too many useless broadcasters.

 

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Dear Mr. Limbaugh, I see you have let your own educational insecurities shine through in your latest rant in which you "bravely" attempted to decipher the "sad-sack story" of a Class...
Dear Mr. Limbaugh, I see you have let your own educational insecurities shine through in your latest rant in which you "bravely" attempted to decipher the "sad-sack story" of a Class...
 
 
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senseandnonsense
Trapeze artist
12:15 PM on 11/14/2011
I believe that Benjamin Bradley, the former Editor-in-Chief of the Washington Post, studied Greek. For those who appreciate an education in the Humanities, there is nothing better. For those who cannot appreciate an education in the Humanities, I feel sorry for them. There is much in life they will miss.
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quillerm
09:45 PM on 11/13/2011
It's amazing as to the number of networks that follow every word that Mr. Limbaugh states on his two hour program. Is Limbaugh such a threat to leftist ideology that all these resources must be used to attack his daily discussions on the issues? Limbaugh's success is due to a great sense of humor and exposing the comical side of politics. Leftist want to be taken seriously, unfortunately most of them are borderline fanatics that spend a lot of time blaming others for their failures. The rest of the media is still kissing Obama's Ring in subservient obedience, so it's refreshing to get a different perspective from Mr. Limbaugh.
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rowdiman
Cayman Mitt: Why ya hiding your money?
09:08 PM on 11/13/2011
It would be insulting to compare him to a 2nd grader.
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quillerm
09:50 PM on 11/13/2011
The guy is a self made millionaire that started with nothing and you think he is not intelligent. Brilliant!
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euromarkusx
Political Party: Lobster
01:39 AM on 11/14/2011
"...started with nothing..."

Hardly, his father was a lawyer and his grandfather was a very well-connected judge.

Rush's "brilliance" comes from knowing how to throw his raw meat to hungry dogs every morning and laughing all the way to the bank.

He was formally a Top 40 DJ (just like Glenn Beck), and a failed sales rep for a sports team.
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mtknibbesr
living happy in Texas
10:50 PM on 11/13/2011
INSULTING TO A SECOND GRADER.
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lw1
Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!
09:03 PM on 11/13/2011
Nothing is more valuable to Rush than a butt boil. That is what kept him from being drafted. Google it if you don't believe me.
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quillerm
09:51 PM on 11/13/2011
I guess Obama is lucky there isn't a draft.
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lw1
Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!
12:52 PM on 11/14/2011
It looks to me that way more dems have served in combat with honor than neocons. Even GW never went to vietnam and got out early though his flying talents were severely needed.
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06:57 PM on 11/14/2011
Yeah? How about we talk about good ol' Dick Cheney and the draft?
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LogicalMathMan
Math, Finance, English, Business Instructor
08:16 PM on 11/13/2011
Intelligent men are interesting. Intelligent women are interesting and hottttt, IMO.
06:22 PM on 11/13/2011
long gone are the days when someone could get a degree in the classics or art history from somewhere like swathmore or williams and then walk into the mngt program at proctor and gamble or colgate etc . you had better get a degree in engineering or math or i.t. if you want a good job these days. i don't see anything wrong with that.
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Brian Gilmer
Respect the bunny.
08:20 PM on 11/13/2011
Degrees in Engineering, Math or IT do not prepare people for careers they prepare people to do job.
12:50 PM on 11/15/2011
"they prepare people to do a job" and thats a bad thing?
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torgman3
Romney/Kony 2012 --for a Better Amercia
05:52 PM on 11/13/2011
The question is moot.
05:45 PM on 11/13/2011
Have you ever listened to Rush? I thought not.
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09:03 PM on 11/06/2011
It is not a question that Limbaugh is utterly useless. The tragedy we are facing in this country is that education is languishing for lack of support, of funding, of people even caring if our children and young adults can even READ let alone practice critical thinking. A "classical education" used to be the NORM in every high school, teaching the classics, teaching latin and greek and other languages, this was NORMAL in high school. It was already assumed that by the time a student reached 15, that they could read, write legibly, form coherent sentences, think critically, and had a fundamental background in history and mathematics...not so today. How far we have fallen!
07:20 PM on 11/12/2011
And the consequence of that fall is a country where useless individuals such as Rush Limbaugh are paid millions while those with a classical education can't find decent paying jobs.
11:18 AM on 11/06/2011
The founding fathers were students of the classics and all they did with their knowledge was write the constitution and start history's most successful democracy. What a bunch of useless layabouts. If they were smart, they would have studied radio. After all, having a show on AM radio is a much more enduring accomplishment.
thebigbike
ran away to be a cowboy
06:20 PM on 11/05/2011
Which do we, as a society, need more, limbaugh? or students of the classics? And which could we use more of? In both cases the answer is not limbaugh.
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Philip J Sparrow
When your work speaks for itself, keep quiet
03:14 PM on 11/04/2011
My degree isn't in Classics, it's in Law (English and European), but even I am made to recognise the importance of the historical and cultural context within which our legal system was shaped. Jurisprudence (legal philosophy is the best way of describing it) is even a compulsory module and introduces students to the likes of Aristotle, Aquinas, Hobbes and more modern thinkers, there is also an optional module on Plato. Once you understand their writings, and the influence they had on our political systems, you can better understand how we should go about the pursuit of justice, but then I doubt Rush could even spell this.
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dennishastings
Musician
08:14 PM on 11/12/2011
Oh, I think he can.

Just us.
02:20 PM on 11/04/2011
Limbaugh is right about one thing (and only one thing. His lack of knowledge on classical studies is embarrassing). Educators, be it advisers, professors, career counselors, etc. are disingenuous about job prospects with certain degrees. I was seriously and earnestly told that my History degree would prepare me for really any career field which requires critical thinking and communication skills. Marketing, writing, teaching, sales/customer service, researcher. Clerk has been the only job I've managed to land or even been interviewed for.

I LOVED history, I still love it. But if I could do things over I would definitely keep history as a hobby and educated myself in something that could afford me a more comfortable living. It just really worries me that more people AREN'T worried about this. My college education is the most money I've ever spent on something and I feel the returns have been underwhelming.

I think colleges need to do a better job for the students instead of their own bottom lines. College is four years, work is the rest of my life.

I also think that the Occupy movement has nothing to do with this despite Rush's efforts to link them. The disenfranchised are across all ages, races, and occupations.
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Philip J Sparrow
When your work speaks for itself, keep quiet
02:58 PM on 11/04/2011
Don't despair, just hope that eventually people will realise that knowledge of history, classics, politics, philosophy etc. is infinitely more valuable to society than uniformed polemicists and that imparting this knowledge to subsequent generations should be a primary responsibility of society as a whole.
03:13 PM on 11/04/2011
Thanks for the words of support. I hold onto that hope. History is the story of humanity. It's an analysis of why the world is the way it is. It's hard for me to come to grips with the fact that such an endeavor is perceived as unimportant.
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Social Construct
Go left, young man.
05:52 AM on 11/06/2011
Well stated, indeed! Thank you for that.
08:41 PM on 11/03/2011
"Tell me, any of you at random listening all across the fruited plain, what the hell is Classical Studies? What classics are studied? Or, is it learning how to study in a classical way? Or is it learning how to study in a classy as opposed to unclassy way? And what about unClassical Studies? Why does nobody care about the unclassics? What are the classics? And how are the classics studied?"

This I find hysterical: That he uses his own ignorance to denounce the importance of the studies. I'm not a chemical engeering major; I couldn't even tell you what they do. But I could tell you they're important. What am I? A Classics Major, true and proud. I can tell you more about politics from 2,500 years ago than I can from today, and even that is probably more than Rush can understand. I guarantee him, 95% of our culture is not unique; we live in the shadow of the past and feel its influence in every respect. There's even nothing "American" about our language or the style of an argument. It all originated in classical cultures. Clearly Rush doesn't quite understand that and never learned the rhetorics of Cicero or else he might have composed a better argument, as wrong and fool-hearty as it is.
10:21 AM on 11/04/2011
Its not just him, all conservatives use their own ignorance as an argument piece.
11:23 AM on 11/04/2011
You have broken it down to the lowest common denominator.
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JrobGW
Fresh
10:13 AM on 11/06/2011
Well put and Fanned. I'd love to sit with Rush and take test after test of world politics, literature that changed the course of the world historically, philosophy, etc. I'd bet 1,000 dollars to one I'd beat him. And when it comes to science!!!! This guy still believes climate change is a myth and "Intelligent Design" is our origin. Basically I'd challenge him on a test of everything....except math. He can obviously manipulate numbers to make his point look more valid than I can show the true statistics.
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BlackJAC
It's better to be a black king than a white knight
02:08 PM on 11/03/2011
I seem to remember Rush being a state college dropout.
Either way, AM talk radio pundits like him are thoroughly useless and gladly will not be remembered by future generations.
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punkingale
My wants are simple. My needs are few.
01:04 PM on 11/04/2011
No, he didn't drop out, he flunked out in summer school!!!!!!!!