Hey Bush and McCain: Is al-Maliki a Defeato-Shiite?

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Posted July 8, 2008 | 04:32 PM (EST)



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I have two questions for George W. Bush and John McCain: Is Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki supporting a surrender date? And does this make him a Defeato-Shiite?

You see, yesterday, al-Maliki said that his government wants a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops to be a part of the military agreement now being discussed between Iraq and the United States. "The goal is to end the presence (of foreign troops)," al-Maliki said.

Since taking control of the Congress after the 2006 elections, the Democrats have repeatedly tried to add timetables for withdrawal to Iraq funding bills, only to be rebuffed by Republicans and the administration at every turn. It has become a standard GOP talking point to accuse Democrats of surrendering, or giving a surrender date to the enemy, or some other nonsense like that, if they don't just lay down and let Bush continue with his seemingly endless war propping up an Iraqi government that has shown more interest in preserving its power and lining its pockets than working for political reconciliation and self-governing (As Arianna Huffington's blog yesterday discusses). (For example, in 2007, Dana Perino, in a White House press briefing, said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is "in denial that a surrender date he thinks is a good idea. (sic) It is not a good idea. It is defeat.") The White House even started calling Democrats "Defeatocrats."

So if setting timetables was wrong the last two years, what can the administration say now that the head of the Iraqi government is insisting on knowing when American troops are leaving his country? Well, not much apparently, since, so far, the White House has not responded to al-Maliki's declaration.

This turn of events just goes to show how far down the rabbit hole the Bush administration and McCain are on Iraq. They keep telling us that the troops need to stay there until we "win." (Whatever that means ... I thought we "won" when we defeated the Iraqi Republican Guard and ousted Saddam Hussein? Isn't that what the "Mission Accomplished" banner was all about?) McCain is fine with the American military being in Iraq for 100 years (video here), and he thinks that it is "not too important" when U.S. troops leave Iraq.

But if American forces are in Iraq to support the Iraqi government, and the Iraqi government wants a plan for the departure of U.S. troops, then what?

I'll tell you what: It means it is game over. Once the U.N. mandate runs out at the end of the year, legal justification for leaving troops in Iraq has to come from al-Maliki. Without the support of the Iraqi government, no American -- not Bush, McCain or anyone else -- can justify U.S. forces in Iraq.

And al-Maliki's position is not as soft on this issue as the administration and McCain may argue. Bush has been trying to negotiate a formal status of forces agreement for a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq (one that would make it harder for Bush's successor to withdraw U.S. troops from the country), but al-Maliki told Arab diplomats that he is seeking a short-term interim memorandum instead. A short-term agreement does not provide the same roadblocks to a withdrawal that a more formal status of forces agreement would, something, presumably, Bush would not be happy about.

Today, Mouwaffak al-Rubaie, Iraq's national security adviser, made an even more definitive statement of his country's demand for timetables in any agreement: "Our stance in the negotiations underway with the American side will be strong ... We will not accept any memorandum of understanding that doesn't have specific dates to withdraw foreign forces from Iraq."

If nothing else, al-Maliki's remarks should serve as a wake-up call to Americans, especially during a presidential election year. Bush and McCain have been quick for the last eight years to tell us how things would go in Iraq, and they have been wrong at nearly every turn. They told us victory in Iraq would be easy and we would be greeted as liberators. (You can watch McCain say it here and here.) Things didn't work out that way. Now Bush and McCain tell us that there will be disaster if the U.S. removes its forces. Why should we believe them?

And now with al-Maliki making his intentions clear that a timetable for U.S. troop withdrawals is important and the "goal is to end the presence" of foreign troops, where does it leave the Bush-McCain plans for Iraq? How can you rail against plans to bring home American personnel when the Iraqi government is in favor of making those same preparations?

This issue is not the only problem Bush and McCain face on Iraq, with several other factors pointing to the need of the U.S. military to decrease (or eliminate) its presence in the country. The war in Iraq has stretched the American military beyond its limits, leaving the United States vulnerable and making sustaining troop levels in Iraq impossible (according to Congressional testimony by generals, a press release by Republican Senator Richard Lugar and statements by former secretary of state Colin Powell). A June 23 report released by the U.S. Government Accounting Office (GAO) accused the administration of having no plan for a post-surge Iraq and laid out the lack of political reconciliation and other issues with the Iraqi government. And on July 2, Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that the Taliban has gained strength in Afghanistan, but that the U.S. does not have enough military personnel in the country to address the new threat because of the commitment of resources to the war in Iraq.

There is ample evidence that the United States has to do something about its troop commitment in Iraq. And al-Maliki's demand for a timetable for the exit of U.S. troops from his country is the nail in the coffin for the Bush-McCain policy.

Al-Maliki may be a surrender date supporter and a Defeato-Shiite (in the eyes of Bush and McCain), but it's his country, after all. The question is whether Bush and McCain are willing to listen. Or, more importantly, if the American voters are paying attention. If they are, it doesn't bode well for McCain in November.

 
 

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- scooperss See Profile I'm a Fan of scooperss permalink

Didn't we hear just about the same thing from maliki last year and maybe eve tne year before? Ever since bush said we would have to leave if asked to leave it's been reported that Iraq and the Iraqis want us to leave.
And each and every time maliki has backtracked on his words.

What makes you think this time will be different?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 07/09/2008
- Mitchell Bard - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Mitchell Bard permalink

Thanks for your post, scoperss. I don't remember al-Maliki making such a definitive statement before. But even if he did, he has done it smack in the middle of an election year. Whether or not he means it, his words will affect how the electroate views the positions of Obama and McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 07/09/2008
- ApolloSpeaks See Profile I'm a Fan of ApolloSpeaks permalink

The Iraqi gov't is unpopular even among Shiites. Maliki's approval rating is lower than Bush's. The revered al-Sistani has been petitioning the gov't for years to impose a timetable-on religious grounds-for US withdrawal, but without success. If Al Sadr were PM America's days would be numbered in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 07/09/2008
- ApolloSpeaks See Profile I'm a Fan of ApolloSpeaks permalink

MALIKI UNSERIOUS ABOUT WITHDRAWAL

If al Maliki were serious about wanting US troops out of Iraq any time soon he would simply impose his own timetable for withdrawal which he has the power to do. Truth is without our forces in Iraq his government would soon collapse and Iraq would desend into the 9th circle of genocidal hell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 AM on 07/09/2008
- normathumb See Profile I'm a Fan of normathumb permalink

Don't be so rediculously silly. al-Maliki has about as much authority to order U.S. forces out as Hussein.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 07/09/2008
- Mitchell Bard - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Mitchell Bard permalink

Thanks for your comment, ApolloSpeaks.

You, I, George W. Bush, John McCain and Barack Obama all don't know what will happen if we leave. Too often, people say, "there will be genocide." There will be? How do you know? Everything the Bush administration has predicted about Iraq has gone wrong. We are the magnet for many attacks. The country has been virtually segregated along ethnic lines. How do we know that there will be genocide?

And if our military is the only thing preventing such a genocide, that really throws into question every justification for this war, since there is virtually no chance for any reconciliation if after five years there will still be a mass genocide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 07/09/2008
- ApolloSpeaks See Profile I'm a Fan of ApolloSpeaks permalink

Thanks for your response, Mike.

My belief rests on the fact that Sunni Arabs, inside and outside Iraq, do not accept Iraq's right to exist as a Shia dominated state and are hell bent on returning the country to the status quo ante of Sunni control-please note that no Arab states have consulates in Iraq.

It has been noted by CNN anchor Michael Ware-an objective, nonpartisan reporter-that Iraq's Sunni Arabs, with an army 113,000 strong, hate the pro-Iran Maliki/Hakkim gov't and reject any notion of living as a powerless minority in Iraq. Reconciliation could take generations. We would need to "occupy" Iraq for decades before ancient differences and animosities are transcended. In my view we should withdraw from Iraq and let the sects fight it out unto exhaustion, as happened with Catholics and Protestants after 30 years of horrific war in 17th century Europe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 07/09/2008
- Torus34 See Profile I'm a Fan of Torus34 permalink

Realpolitic 101, Folks.

Al-Maliki is simply nudging another chip into the pile during the bargaining process over a continued US presence in Iraq.

Nothing more. Let me repeat: nothing more.

To assume it has any other import is, not to put too sharp a point on it, naive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 AM on 07/09/2008
- Mitchell Bard - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Mitchell Bard permalink

Thanks for the comment, Torus34.

Whatever the reason for al-Maliki's statements (you may be right or you may not be), the effect of those statement in the U.S. is not determined by al-Maliki's intent.

That is, even if you're right and he's bluffing, these statements are out there and will affect how Americans perceive the government we are there supporting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 07/09/2008
- Torus34 See Profile I'm a Fan of Torus34 permalink

A friendly riposte:

The 'thrust' [Sorry!] of my initial comment was that the bargaining which is going on between Al-Maliki and the Bush administration is, essentially, separate from and unaffected by any commentary about it.

How Americans percive Iraq's government will have no effect on the agreement which will be reached by the end of this year. I offer into evidence the prevailing American public's view of the Iraq war and its effect on its funding.

Al-Maliki is riding a tiger. The Bush administration is his saddle's girth. He has little choice but to either exit stage left to, say, Switzerland or to sign an agreement extending the US mandate in Iraq by the end of this year. Most important is how his bargaining is perceived by the powers that be in Iraq. I assure you that Al-Maliki is finely attuned to that and not to the present political patter in Peoria.

Now please don't get me wrong, dear Sir! it's loads of fun to talk about the inconsistencies of Mr. Bush's statements and positions. Were I less aware that it's only a conversational sport, I'd probably start calling into talk shows. Similar badinage sells much advertising time on radio and TV. That helps the economy, right? But so does discusion about A-Rod and Madonna. The effect of those discussions ends at the Nielsen ratings.

And thank you so very much for taking time to reply. It provided me with a rare instance of feedback.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 07/09/2008
- knighthowl See Profile I'm a Fan of knighthowl permalink

Realpolitic 201: if he sticks to it, we must go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 07/09/2008
- rwe2late See Profile I'm a Fan of rwe2late permalink

And, of course, Obama and the other Dem leaders are voicing strong support for Maliki's position,

or ...support for Maliki's position,

wait, let me rephrase that _

absolutely no support at all for Maliki's position.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 07/08/2008
- ThomH See Profile I'm a Fan of ThomH permalink

No one seems to be addressing the truly interesting question: why has Maliki taken so long to object to the presence of the American occupation troops?

Fact is, the Iraqis, long castigated because Sunnis and Shiites can't seem to agree on anything, have for years agreed on one thing: they want the American troops out, to the extent that significant majorities of both Sunni and Shia have supported the lethal attacks on Americans. Al Qaeda, the supposed "enemy" in Iraq, has accounted for less than 10% of those attacks.

So why hasn't their government, democratically elected to represent the wishes of their constituents, long ago asked us to leave? Why now?

Could it be that Iraqi elections are scheduled for later this year, and the prospect looms large that adherents of Moktadr al Sadr will win many of those elections? What happens if they do win?

Worth at least as much media attention, it seems to me, as who wears an American flag pin in his lapel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 07/09/2008
- Mitchell Bard - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Mitchell Bard permalink

Thanks for your comment, ThomH. Good points.

I think an interesting question to spin off your first question is, how much does the al-Maliki government legitimately represent the Iraqi people? One of the tragedies of the Iraq war is that we are fighting to support a government that, in many ways, has not been worthy of that support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 07/09/2008
- Robertx5 See Profile I'm a Fan of Robertx5 permalink

The current U.S. administration, and I suspect the Washington bureaucracy as well, want an extended military occupation of Iraq for all sorts of reasons. That's their agenda. You don't build huge bases with a long term life span just to hand them over to the local population.
If al-Maliki puts his signature to any sort of agreement with the U.S., Iraq and the Middle East will live to regret it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 07/08/2008
- booker52 See Profile I'm a Fan of booker52 permalink

I was just watching Hardball and Chris Mattews wondered if we Americans took the Iraqie government words seriously, you bet I do. And I would think that this American goveernment should as well. Iraq isn't our country and we should stop treating it as such. They want us out, most Americans want our troops out (me being one of them). So our next President should heed their words, Bush doesn't but he should.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 07/08/2008
- ignorantwillyharper See Profile I'm a Fan of ignorantwillyharper permalink

al-Maliki by telling Bush to get out, now has the life duration of a teses fly. Which is anywhere from five to eighteen mintues.

Sir, you have oil and that's what, Dubya and Dead Eye Dick are all about, not American lives, nor Iraqis lives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 07/08/2008
- peterg76 See Profile I'm a Fan of peterg76 permalink

Which just shows al-Maliki has more courage than the whole of the Democratic Party combined.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 07/08/2008
- shystar See Profile I'm a Fan of shystar permalink

Don't that Bush/McCain will listen to what the Iraqi government has put foward. Bush continues to put obsticles e.g Status of Forces Agreement to protect his legecy and tie the hands of a Democratic President. Democracy seems no longer the reason for the invasion (as the other justifications have all collasped) because Iraq is a soverign State with an elected government. This goverment has the ligitimate right to make it's own demands but will the Bush listen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 07/08/2008
- thebassguy See Profile I'm a Fan of thebassguy permalink

if we stay there with huge troop levels, we'll be just sittin on a time bomb....

as the songwriter Jon Tiven said, "can ya hear it tickin, you can hide but you can't run...sittin on a time bomb, no matter which side yer on it's the wrong one..."



http://www.thebassguy.com/sittinonatimebomb.mp3
(compliments of Hard Bargain, NYC)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 07/08/2008
- syllepsis See Profile I'm a Fan of syllepsis permalink

is our only justification for staying in Iraq that al-Maliki has oil, and we would like to take it from him?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 07/08/2008
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