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Iran Plot: Here We Go Again

Posted: 10/12/11 07:27 PM ET

A few weeks after the 9/11 attacks, I attended a big holiday dinner with family and friends. Naturally much of the conversation revolved around the terrorist attacks and the rage and sorrow we all felt.

There was also considerable discussion about President George W. Bush's handling of the catastrophe and his decision to send troops to Afghanistan in pursuit of the perpetrators and to eliminate the Taliban regime that was hosting them.

Everyone at the table approved of the president's actions and believed that there was no alternative. Moreover, and this was somewhat surprising considering that none of us thought Bush had been legitimately elected, we all believed that he was being honest about the situation the United States faced and the options that were before him.

There was, however, one dissenter. My younger son, then in college, was absolutely opposed to going into Afghanistan. He said that there had to be a better way to respond than rushing into a war that, in his opinion, would likely expand and last "forever." Besides, he added, "I don't believe a word that comes out of Bush's mouth."

Naturally a brouhaha ensued with everyone (including me) telling the kid how utterly wrong and unpatriotic he was. There was a lot of yelling but he would not back down. He just kept saying "you'll see."

Boy did we! Prodded by his neoconservative advisers and outside cheerleaders eager to pick up where the first Gulf War ended, Bush quickly pivoted from Afghanistan to the calamitous invasion of Iraq. He justified that invasion by insisting that Iraq was implicated in the 9/11 attacks (although it wasn't) and that it possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction (although it didn't).

Both the Bush administration and its faithful ally, the Tony Blair government in the United Kingdom, famously set out to "fix" the intelligence to deceive the peoples of both nations into an utterly unnecessary and unjustified war. It is a war which has, as its main accomplishment, the transformation of Iraq from the Islamic Republic of Iran's worst enemy to its best friend. Along the way, of course, hundreds of thousands of Americans, Iraqis, Brits and others have died and Iraq has essentially been destroyed.

It is against this backdrop that I view the Iranian plot that was announced yesterday by the Obama administration. At this point, it is impossible to say how serious the plot was and, more importantly, if it even had anything at all to do with the Iranian government.

Are we ready to believe that the cold and calculating people who govern Iran were contracting out assassination plots with Mexican drug traffickers or that they would pick Washington as the best place to attack the Saudi ambassador (knowing that being found responsible for bombing Washington would mean war with the United States)? As Seth Meyers likes to say on Saturday Night Live, "Really? Really?"

This is not to dismiss the plot as phony or contrived. It could be real, or fake, or something in-between. But after the Iraq war experience, it would be awfully stupid of Americans to simply accept without question anything we are told about nefarious Muslim states which must be stopped before explosive-laden clouds appear over downtown Washington.

The only good news here is that we have past experience to guide us.

But for the lies and manufactured evidence that led us into Iraq we might not have reason to be skeptical about the case the government laid out yesterday and which the usual suspects are already joyously citing as reason to get tough with Iran (as if that country is not under onerous sanctions already).

But for the lies and manufactured evidence that led us into Iraq, we might actually accept the idea that the Iran plot is thoroughly genuine and, in no way, linked to the determination of so many neocons, inside our government and out who are hell-bent on war with Iran and would do anything they can to achieve it.

Fortunately, however, and this may be the only fortunate thing about the Iraq war, the Iraq experience taught us to be skeptical. Especially about anything neocons cite as pretexts for Middle Eastern wars. We now know that they lie.

So let's go slowly here. If the plot turns out to be both real and sanctioned by powerful people in Tehran, a strong response of some kind is warranted.

But first let's make sure. The neocons' "drop bombs and ask questions later" approach has been thoroughly discredited. Anyone who doubts that should pay a visit to one of our veterans' hospitals or a military cemetery. How stupid would we have to be to allow the same crowd to lead us into yet another war, one that would be infinitely more deadly?

Count me among the skeptics.

 

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A few weeks after the 9/11 attacks, I attended a big holiday dinner with family and friends. Naturally much of the conversation revolved around the terrorist attacks and the rage and sorrow we all fel...
A few weeks after the 9/11 attacks, I attended a big holiday dinner with family and friends. Naturally much of the conversation revolved around the terrorist attacks and the rage and sorrow we all fel...
 
 
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10:16 AM on 10/17/2011
Perhaps Rosenberg could enlighten us with examples of actions the Obama administration has taken to promote conflict with Iran. All I have seen is Obama's hand stretched out in friendship, and the Iranian Mullahs slapping it away.
09:24 PM on 10/16/2011
As an Iranian-American I am ashamed and sadden by the lies my government (US) has said about Iran. And as a proud Iran I believe my ancient homeland nation of Iran deserves a far more better lie than the one now to be invaded. I mean come on America, come up with something more creative, like I don't know, "we've found...uh...secret plans in Iran pointing out their intent to nuke Israel". I don't know, some BS but make it at least creative. I mean come on if your gonna invade Iran which is probably going to kill 1,000,000 innocent Iranians, than at least give them the dignity of having a more creative lie for why their country was invade. I mean seriously.
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Joe Goforth
02:24 PM on 10/16/2011
Print more money and off we go on another folly!
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califlefty
Fighting back against the lies
03:50 AM on 10/16/2011
Let's review some facts:

The Iranians had no qualms bombing the US Embassy in Beirut
The Iranians blew up a cultural center twice in Argentina
The Iranians blew up Khobar towers in Saudi Arabia
and those are only the big events.

I suspect MJ that as soon as the check clears you'll be blaming the "Israel Lobby" for the tape recordings and money transfers the FBI has proof of Iranian involvement in this. Slow enough for ya?
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
11:36 AM on 10/16/2011
This incident hasn't even successfully passed the cursory inspection of amateur blogs. Its so full of holes it cant even be called swiss cheese. Its more holes than cheese.

Its more like a string vest. In ten days time nobody will be talking about this.
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MoreFreedom
03:12 PM on 10/14/2011
Rosenberg goes over the edge saying Bush and Blair "set out to 'fix' the intelligence to deceive the peoples of both nations into an utterly unnecessary and unjustified war". I believe he was fooled and didn't examine the evidence with the skepticism it deserved.

Rosenberg would also do us a favor pointing out the hypocrisy of our government complaining about a government killing someone in another country (yet we've done it recently with both Alawak and Bin Laden). The US and many citizens see the double standard and reject it.

Finally, there was an alternative to war with Afghanistan. Bush and Congress could have issued a Letter of Marque and Reprisal (it's in the constitution) putting a price on the heads of Al Quaeda. Then the Taliban would likely have turned them over for a few hundred million, and if not them, then mercenaries.
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fairwayhill
1948 Palestine belongs to the Palestinians
02:25 PM on 10/14/2011
The US neocons and AlPAC are mad to the fact that Iran won the US-Iraq war. That is why Obama is pushing for yet another war against Iran.
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Domingo Cardoza
USARMY Ret. _Unabowed America-Firster
01:09 PM on 10/14/2011
I'm on the fence on this one. But just like in any crime investigation, what is the motive? if it doesn have one, then who benefits? Plain and simple..
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fairwayhill
1948 Palestine belongs to the Palestinians
02:26 PM on 10/14/2011
There was no plot involving Iran. The motive for the US hoax is to push for war against Iran.
01:02 PM on 10/15/2011
enjoy ur stay in Iranistan then
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califlefty
Fighting back against the lies
03:52 AM on 10/16/2011
what... your comment didn't consist of "Free Palestine". Shame on your Iranian handlers to allow you to stray from the script!
11:19 AM on 10/14/2011
It's kinda strange how they immediately uncovered this plot and haven't done any deep investigations. Preemption is not gonna help anybody.
JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
11:24 AM on 10/14/2011
What makes you think the haven't investigated and that it was all "immediate"?
11:43 AM on 10/14/2011
What makes you think we HAVE?
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fairwayhill
1948 Palestine belongs to the Palestinians
02:29 PM on 10/14/2011
They didn't make any investigation, because the truth is irrelevant for the war propaganda. The jus want any excuse to make war against Iran.
01:03 PM on 10/15/2011
and u know this how? where? credible sources or just more hot air!
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califlefty
Fighting back against the lies
03:53 AM on 10/16/2011
what part of "tape recordings" don't you understand?
09:18 AM on 10/14/2011
no one has said anything about bombing or attacking. Sounds like the straw man's getting a lot of play in articles and comments.
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NTT
Fighting rants with facts
08:04 AM on 10/14/2011
>>>"So let's go slowly here. If the plot turns out to be both real and sanctioned by powerful people in Tehran, a strong response of some kind is warranted."

Sounds like a reasonable call to "make sure before you pull the trigger". But is it? Or is it just an attempt to stall?

I fully agree that we should only react if "the plot turns out to be both real and sanctioned by powerful people in Tehran". But how are we going to know it's real? Mr. Rosenberg will probably brush away any evidence presented by the Administration or any of its agencies -- after all it (the Administration) and the Congress are "controlled" by AIPAC, Israel, The Jews... etc.

Maybe we should let the mullahs' regime investigate the case? After all, in the blogger's opinion that regime is made up of "cold and calculating people". Not raving religious fanatics who hang people in public squares for "crimes against God", deny the Holocaust and claim that 9/11 was an undercover operation by CIA & the Mossad.

So I guess this comes down to a matter of faith: who are we going to believe -- Obama or Ahmedinejad? Hmmm, tough one...
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Domingo Cardoza
USARMY Ret. _Unabowed America-Firster
01:03 PM on 10/14/2011
That's a lot of maybes...

"Mr. Rosenberg will probably brush away any evidence presented by the Administra­tion or any of its agencies -"

"Maybe we should let the mullahs' regime investigat­e the case? After all, in the blogger's opinion that regime is made up of "cold and calculatin­g people" "

I am always a fan who knows what other people think and do, you know, like the neocons said before the spilled our blood and treasure.
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YafoDalet
a secular Jew
03:55 PM on 10/15/2011
Rosenberg has a track record. But you are right. Let's wait an see whether he will remain consistent with his past behavior.
08:01 AM on 10/14/2011
There is one very obvious problem with the accusation of Iranian government involvement i.e. the trail stops with someone in Tehran called "Gholam Shakuri" and......
a) that dude isn't in US custody,
b) never visited America, and
c) never once spoke to the DEA undercover informant.

So the USA government has to find some way of linking Shakuri to the senior echelon of Qods Force and - so far - they have done that by the "trust us, we know" gambit i.e. they simply repeat the mantra of:
"Gholam Shakuri, a member of Qods Force"
"Gholam Shakuri, a member of Qods Force"
"Gholam Shakuri, a member of Qods Force"
as if that is a self-evident truth, when it isn't.

It is an allegation, and it appears (again, so far) to be based on little more than: CS-1 says that Arbabsiar said that Skaruri is a member of Qods Force, and so it's self-evident that he is.

Colour me cynical, but it is undeniable that Arbabsiar couldn't tell an DEA undercover agent from a Mexican drug cartel hitman, so why should we accept at face value that the man he knew as "Gholam Shakuri" really is "a member of Qods Force".

Evidence, please....
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trucap
05:52 AM on 10/14/2011
Let me tell you that your son and shared the same point of view at that time , and still . I am fed up with the fabricated false claims that Saddam's had weapons of mass distruction .
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TAIsabel
Suffer no fools.
08:11 PM on 10/13/2011
Mr. Rosenberg, I salute your son and I salute you. Amongst at least three columns at Huff vilifying Iran, you are the voice of reason. Count me in as one of the skeptics since 9/11. As time goes by, my skepticism only grows deeper.

Perhaps it is time for the people to march not only against Wall Street but, against the MIC and a puppet government.
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Vlady
Better Late
01:24 AM on 10/14/2011
Welcome to the 'TRUTHERS' club
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Fein
And this too shall pass.
07:59 PM on 10/13/2011
I'm not buying it, either.

Far too convenient. But I guess we'll see when Obama makes the case to the UN.
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Vlady
Better Late
01:26 AM on 10/14/2011
>>I'm not buying it, either.

as other usual suspects and truthers
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SamSeven
You're either with Humanity or you're not.
07:57 PM on 10/14/2011
of course, you buy the Government's story ?
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wom122
Primum non nocere
06:44 PM on 10/13/2011
"drop bombs and ask questions later"

Sadly, that pretty much summarizes our policy towards what our politicians call "rogue states". Thank you as always Mr. Rosenberg.