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MJ Rosenberg

MJ Rosenberg

Posted: November 1, 2010 09:02 AM

I couldn't think of anything that isn't horrific about what is likely to happen on Tuesday until I saw this in the Forward. A GOP House might make it easier for President Obama to make progress toward his goal of peace and security for Israelis and Palestinians.

Citing the sanctions bill as an example, New York Democrat Gary Ackerman, argued that Israel's best bet for addressing any concerns about Obama's policy would be for Democrats to retain power. "I'm not saying that if the Republicans take the House it would be doomsday for Israel, but if they want positive influence on the White House, that's us," said Ackerman, who chairs the subcommittee on the Middle East and South Asia of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs.


Ackerman and other Jewish Democrats point to the forceful criticisms they conveyed to the White House when they thought that Obama was leaning too hard on Israel.

"If you need the president, you need us as chairs of the committees," Ackerman said as he listed what he called the "first-class team" of Jewish pro-Israel Democrats who chair key House committees: Berman at Foreign Affairs, Barney Frank at Financial Services, Henry Waxman at the Energy and Commerce committee, Sander Levin at Ways and Means, and Ackerman himself in his role as head of the Middle East subcommittee. "We are all pro-Israel and we all have major, major, major influence in the executive branch."

Forget Ackerman's overwrought "doomsday for Israel" phrase. The fact is that liberal Democrats have been the most determined and effective supporters of the Israeli-Palestinian status quo for decades. The Republicans use more extreme rhetoric but the action (or forced inaction) comes from liberal Democrats.

With very few exceptions, Democratic liberals who are antiwar doves everywhere else in the world are the most zealous hawks on Israel, the most ardent defenders of atrocities in Gaza, the most enraged opponents of Judge Richard Goldstone. Some are hawks out of conviction. More do it for campaign dollars.

Regardless of why, it is Democrats not Republicans who rush to the floor every time a possible peace initiative raises its head and shoots it down. Republicans are godawful too but defending the occupation hardly ranks on their radar screens although Muslim-bashing does (along with gay and immigrant bashing). Also, Republicans understand that no matter what they do on Israel, there is far less money in it for them and even fewer votes.

The same applies to Iran. The most effective and tenacious Iran hawks are Democrats. The case for sanctions or war (not negotiation) will be weakened considerably when it is Ileana Ros Lehtinen and Dan Burton making the case, not Howard Berman and a host of other liberals).

Bottom line: the Republican surge could free Obama from the handcuffs that Gary Ackerman, Anthony Weiner, and the rest of the "Israel, right or wrong" crowd puts on him. The only question is: will he put them back on himself?

 

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03:52 PM on 11/02/2010
Since all of our wors are about the us interests in commodities/minerals rights/extraction/control, both the dems and reps are interested in israel's designs/interests in said wors, as they would be of any other country's interests. It is just disingenuous to to distinguish between the two parties and israel interests, for they have the exact same interests as the us does, dem or rep.
02:09 AM on 11/02/2010
More GOP only makes the Congress MORE favorable to Israel! As usual, MJ got it ALL WRONG!
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JibberJabberwocky
02:23 PM on 11/02/2010
He's making a point about internal party pressure. While the Republicans may be more pro-Israel, as you suggest (and I'm not sure you're right), Obama would have more flexibility to oppose Republican actions that Democratic actions as a general rule.

I don't know that that would apply specifically when it comes to Israel, given the Democratic Party's elected officials' behavior over the last two years, since those people will still be influential within the party and will still be on those committees even if they do not chair them, but it is an interesting point.
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RubalKhali
Philosophy is the stray camel of the faithful
01:06 AM on 11/02/2010
“Netanyahu fears a strong Obama who can apply pressure,†said Yaron Deckel, Israeli TV’s Channel 1 political commentator. “If the Republicans win big in the midterm elections, Obama will be weaker and less inclined to pressure Israel, and that will buy Netanyahu more time.â€Read more: http://forward.com/articles/132608/#ixzz146886BA2
"If you need the president, you need us as chairs of the committees," Ackerman said as he listed what he called the "first-class team" of Jewish pro-Israel Democrats who chair key House committees: Berman at Foreign Affairs, Barney Frank at Financial Services, Henry Waxman at the Energy and Commerce committee, Sander Levin at Ways and Means, and Ackerman himself in his role as head of the Middle East subcommittee. "We are all pro-Israel and we all have major, major, major influence in the executive branch."

Does anyone really doubt that these Israel firsters run the country? They are proud of the fact that in all their work, Israel is paramount and America is second.
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BeLogical1234
08:30 PM on 11/01/2010
MJ, I often hear complaints (from you and other commenters) about AIPAC and how it strongly influences American policy towards the Israel Middle East. Can you explain to me exactly why AIPAC is different from all the other interest group in this country? In other words, why are they deserving of the constant demonizing when other foreign and domestic interest groups are not?

I am just trying to understand what AIPAC does so differently than other interest groups. It the complaint is how strong it is or how they spend their money, then perhaps the problem should be with the American system of government and about interest groups, in general, instead of AIPAC, specifically.
08:59 PM on 11/01/2010
AIPAC is a foreign lobby!!!! Not like the NRA or Teachers Unions! When will you understand that!!
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BeLogical1234
12:13 PM on 11/02/2010
But there are plenty of domestic interest groups that are "damaging," as well. Why is it that we do not have tort reform in most states or a practical approach to malpractice insurance for physicians? That's right, it is because of Attorney interest groups and lobbyists who suppress very idea of tort reform so much that it was not even a major part of the recent healthcare debate.

AIPAC is an easy target-- but it's a falacy that it dictates U.S. policy towards Israel. The reason that the U.S. (and by "U.S." i mean the SIGNIFICANT majority of both the government and population) supports Israel is because it is a liberal democracy that shares many of the ideals that we do, and who has many of the same enemies that we have.
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
01:29 AM on 11/02/2010
Mainly, it happens because it is easier to blame an external pressure than acknowledge that the problem is rooted in the dark side of the American character.
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Atif Ahmed Choudhury
07:35 PM on 11/01/2010
Conservative Republicans possess the ideology while Liberal Democrats wield the activism...either way, thanks to long-standing American socio-cultural and religious convictions and values as well as the success of the pro-Israel lobby in framing the conflict, unconditional support for Israel is perhaps the only truly bi-partisan issue. Broad societal attitudes towards the conflict are slowly but surely changing (especially since the carnage in Gaza almost two years ago), but the politicians and policy-makers simply haven't kept up and as a result the politics haven't progressed...thus no election result is going to change that reality anytime soon.
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basenji
Dog lover
07:05 PM on 11/01/2010
Speaking of 'Israel right or wrong', this one seems to be over the top. Imagine if Netanyahu was banned from a ceremony celebrating the opening of a new Yeshiva.

"Israel bans Palestinian PM from East Jerusalem event

Public Security Minister Aharonovitch issues warrant forbidding the participation of Palestinian PM Fayyad in ceremony marking PA-sponsored school renovations.

By Nir Hasson and Avi Issacharoff
Tags: Israel news East Jerusalem Salam Fayyad

Israel is banning Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad from attending a Palestinian Authority-sponsored event in East Jerusalem, Haaretz learned on Monday."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-bans-palestinian-pm-from-east-jerusalem-event-1.322320
11:49 PM on 11/01/2010
you can do that when you control every breath of the people you occupy, and have the unconditional support to continue to abuse this power from the 'greatest nation on earth'
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Mishal Zeera
05:02 PM on 11/01/2010
I'm *not* a fan of Israel/Zionism, and I don't think having these GOP tea party nuts in any sort of housing is a good idea. Yes, Obama has been a disappointment in regards to Israel, but I can't imagine having some Rand Paul friendly agenda working its way through the Middle East (again) is going to do any good at all.
04:59 PM on 11/01/2010
What do you call a person who favors a single, 100% secular, democratic state in the middle east to encompass, Israel, the West Bank and Gaza? A crackpot, an antisemite, a Nazi? I have seen all of those descriptions.
05:03 PM on 11/01/2010
not a Nazi. Not an anti-semite in the classical sense, perhaps not biased at all, but suspect of having a problem with Jewish sovereignty. Crackpots exist acroee the full ideological spectrum.
That's from a zionis, jewish perspective of course. I'll let others speak for their perspective.

Why do you ask.
06:40 PM on 11/01/2010
Contrary to what you seem to be implying, having a problem with elevating any ethnoreligious group above others does not an anti-Semite make.
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MelissaGoldman
One moment in time--RIP Whitney
06:00 PM on 11/01/2010
someone who wants to destroy Israel and replace it with an islamic state, which is most assuredly what it would become in the blink of an eye...ummm, yeah, that would make that person an antisemite, among other things.
06:20 PM on 11/01/2010
There are also Christians included in the 100% secular, democratic unified state. It is not obvious that islamists would be able to overthrow it, as you fear. I expect that the end of hostilities would bring in more investment and good times for all, except for disappointed religious fanatics.
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06:57 PM on 11/01/2010
Trading one theocracy in for another; what's the loss?
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Dnlmsstch
too much for so few words
04:30 PM on 11/01/2010
As a zionist american jew. Israels secutrity (as provided by the US) is and should be negotiable. The key to the security assistance and garantee should be whether Israel is acting in good faith to reach a just peace deal with the palestinians. Expansion of settlemts in to territory that will probably should be given to palestinians - is not good faith negotiations. Inclusion into government of right-wing religious fanatics like Avigor Lieberman is not good faith negotiations. Unless Israel and Israelis stop supporting right wing religiously motivated policies, there should be no security assitance and garantee. I am in favor of a western secular Israel, but i cannot support a right wing theocratic, Iranian style Israel.

The compromise made in 1947 - that Israel would not take a stance whether it was a secular state or not, can no longer stand. It must be a secular, liberal western democracy .... or i and many other diaspora jews (especialy in the US) will stop thinking ourselves as zionists. I view the compromize on the same level as the compromises over slavery in the US before the civil war. Moraly injustifiable and a cancer in the soul of the democracy.

We must break the power of the religious right, in America, in the Islamic world, AND IN ISRAEL. Republicans are the religious right in americam will enable the religious right in israel, and give power to the religious right in the islamic world.

They will be a disaster for ALL secularists.
mage
homemaker
04:39 PM on 11/01/2010
Peace! negociation, cooperation, mutual respect, justice and peace..It is possible.. It will be good for generations to come..It is with the willingness to look at the other side with respect and compassion that things get done..
04:42 PM on 11/01/2010
The gap between Israel and iran as to the role of religion as a state institution is that of magnitudes.
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Dnlmsstch
too much for so few words
04:51 PM on 11/01/2010
Now it is. But the more power you give to the likes of Avigor Lieberman, and ultra orthodox rabbis, the more the bulf shrinks. Israel in 1967, in the 1990 under Rabin, and even under Sharon, was much farther way from the iranina style theocracy than it is today. The main barrier against thocracy in israel is the israeli supreme court, and all barriers get errored eventualy if they are not reinforced.

Israel must choose its path, if it chosses to side with the religious right, i will support ending the alliance - and will no longer support the exsistance of the state of israel. I value secular liberal democracy above being jewish. I value the laws of Madison, John Locke, Russeou, and all the members of the enlightment, more than Moses, Solomon, David, etc. And i believe so do most jews not in israel.
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SamSeven
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04:14 PM on 11/01/2010
A rabbi struggles to protect his Palestinian flock
A vandalised car, stolen ladders, irate police. It's all in a day's work for one unlikely hero. Donald Macintyre reports
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/a-rabbi-struggles-to-protect-his-palestinian-flock-2121858.html
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lbsaltzman
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04:24 PM on 11/01/2010
Yes there are several Rabbi's who are risking their lives with settlers and Israeli police to help Palestinians. They are very brave individuals.
11:55 PM on 11/01/2010
So why is this not discussed in the US? You can only find this in non-American media.

I can guarantee that any similar rampaging by Palestinians against the settlers would be on a continuous loop on CNN, Fox, etc with politicians on both side tripping over each other to condemn it and use it as an excuse to stall on a fair peace deal.
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SamSeven
You're either with Humanity or you're not.
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lightningbolt
03:57 PM on 11/01/2010
I disagree with Rosenberg. A republican House will most likely declare war on Iran and light the entire region on fire. Never underestimate the ability of republicans to make a mess of the world. Republican war policies have made the entire Middle East less safe, even for Israel.
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Richard Pearce
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04:26 PM on 11/01/2010
Here;'s what Cindy Sheehan has to say on the matter.

"I get informed all the time, that even though "Obama isn’t so great", at least he hasn’t invaded Iran yet, and McCain surely would have been bombing Iran by now.

Okay so rhetoric towards Iran would be heigtened, but whether McCain would have waged another military campaign during the current political climate would be an assumption too far.

Gosh, if McCain were president right now, the defense budget might be the largest - $741.2bn - since World War II. He might have even asked for billions upon billions of supplemental funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Horrors!

Of course, a McCain education budget would only be about 1/10th of the defense budget at $78bn. And, a McCain education plan would probably contain lots of rigorous testing if the states were to want more desperately needed funds.

If McCain were president, there would be an active "anti-war" movement. However - as during the Bush years - the "movement" wouldn’t be so much antiwar, but anti-war waged by the Republicans. The anti-Republican movement wants no systemic change, it just wants Democrats in office."

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2010/10/2010103175555761506.html
07:49 PM on 11/01/2010
Cindy Sheehan's opinion on Israel is about as reliable as an AIPAC representative's opinion on the Israel-Palestine issue. And citing a webpage from Al-Jazeera is about as credible as my citing FoxNews on this issue.

Nice try though.
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
08:23 PM on 11/01/2010
PFE, seeing as you acknowledge that your opinion on the Israel-Palestine issue is basicly not worth the time of day, why are you posting on this thread?
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Marcus1
Trickledownscam
02:28 PM on 11/01/2010
Is it in America's interest or is it even right to defend Israel or any country when they are guilty of atrocities and human rights violations?
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MajorKong
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02:59 PM on 11/01/2010
They really don't care - just so long as they're doing their part to hasten the apocalypse.
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Vlady
Better Late
03:30 PM on 11/01/2010
>>Is it in America's interest or is it even right to defend Israel

Sure it is. Long live US-Israel friendship
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05:37 PM on 11/01/2010
Why?
08:51 AM on 11/02/2010
Let that friendship live side-by-side with our friendship for all nations, particularly in the Middle East. And let that friendship not be limitedly inclusive in its ramifications to the exclusion of security for all of the American People. That means that it should be discontinued as a lop-sided, one-sided one.
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
12:58 PM on 11/01/2010
Unfortunately, it will not matter much if the Republicans or the Democrats control the House, Senate, and Presidency, much of the American public will support Israel because, through them, they can vicariously live out their fantasies of unapologetically telling the world to take a flying leap, using their military to smash any who dare to think of rebelling against being dominated, and being openly racist against the 'inferior' (whether defined by religion or ethnicity).

And that is what will handcuff the American government at all levels in this matter.
01:09 PM on 11/01/2010
Democracy is a bummer, when the majority says 'You're wrong."
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MajorKong
If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally
03:00 PM on 11/01/2010
Republic not a Democracy.....we don't govern by the polls....etc...etc...etc..
11:14 PM on 11/01/2010
You seem to equate majority rule with trampling minority rights.
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Trollstein
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01:17 PM on 11/01/2010
Thats about the worst explanation I have heard yet.
01:43 PM on 11/01/2010
Acutually, Trollstein I think R. Pearce is right. Many, many times I've heard defenders/apologists for Israel say that they like it that Israel does what it wants and tells everybody else " F off. " (But keep sending those US dollars.)
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02:11 PM on 11/01/2010
Nope. Pearce has a point.

This generation of Americans is still pretty pleased with itself for shaking off the antisemitism of its parents. For most of them, Israel is still the Israel of 1967 that started and won its last, and best war. The attitude is still based in the notion that Palestinians are either wild-eyed or stupid.

But the next generation has overcome the shame and has a clue.
jhNY
Mercy.
12:17 PM on 11/01/2010
But won't the Republican ranks of the newly-elected, should they, as expected, become the majority party in the House at least, be filled to the toppy-top with evangelical millenialists who yearn to hasten the end times and therefore support in complarable lock-step the doings of Israel, right or wrong? In which case, can we expect any real change in reflex or policy re Israel?

I mean, aren't we just comparing Winesaps with Fujis?