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Joel Osteen's Sin

Posted: 01/19/12 05:45 PM ET

I ended my last blog about the oppression of gays by some black Christian churches by asking, "How did Jesus transcend all manner of hate?" This question has lived inside my heart and life for many years. It was the question that led me away from Christianity, as I could not find the answer in the religion of my childhood. I wanted deeply to understand the power of Jesus' love, and his command for us to love our neighbors as ourselves, and to love God with all our heart and soul.

While I've found that some of the leaders of black Christian churches tend to be particularly staunch in their commitment to demonizing gays, other non-black Christian churches don't hesitate to join in, too. Recently, Oprah Winfrey sat down with Joel Osteen, the pastor of the largest church in America. Each Sunday Osteen speaks to at least 16,000 church members. When Oprah asked Pastor Osteen if he thought gay people would enter heaven, he answered, "Yes, if they repent for their sins." Pastor Osteen went on to say that the Bible defines homosexuality as a sin. These types of declarations and beliefs by some Christians conflict with what I've come to see as the deeper meaning within the teachings of Jesus.

In 1998 I left the Christian church and began a journey that started with the question, "How did Jesus transcend all manner of hate?" I'd heard hundreds, and maybe thousands, of messages pointing me to what Jesus did and why I should worship him. But after 30 years those lessons hadn't given me any real power or peace in my life. After years of religious and spiritual exploration and deep questioning, I discovered that unlike the Jesus espoused in the various mega-churches, the Jesus I'd found knew, owned, accepted, and declared his oneness with God. "When you see me, you see my Father who has sent me," said Jesus. Jesus' core message was love: love yourself, love your enemy, and love God. These teachings were my path from a dark night of the soul, a path that eventually led me to profound oneness.

Osteen says, "Wishing to be something that you are not is an insult to God. God made every one of us a masterpiece." Here's where I question Pastor Osteen's message. I say "yes" to this, and I ask, "Are these words true for gay people, or are they the exception to the message you offer the thousands you speak with weekly, and the millions who purchase your books?"

Even as Pastor Osteen's message is one of happiness and inspiration, I see it is as duplicitous and divisive at its core, like a wolf in sheep's clothing. In the world in which we live today, this concept of sin asks us to discard a part of ourselves. "Love the sinner but hate the sin" suggests that there is some part of ourselves we should reject or even hate. How can this be true if Jesus himself said to love your enemy? We're accustomed to viewing our enemy as something or someone outside ourselves, but in truth the greatest and only enemy is within. And Christ commands each to love himself as he loves God, no exceptions. Love in and of itself creates bridges and builds relationships with all people and all parts of ourselves. Love creates wholeness.

What if we all were taught (and believed!) that we are here as a representative of the Father, the creative force behind all that is? What if we knew that each person we encounter is a representative of the Father? In our understanding that each one of us is here on purpose as a representative of the Father, an experience of surrender and acceptance occurs. When we, like Jesus the Christ, know our oneness with God, an embrace of the self is realized. In an era post-Jesus the Christ, there is only one sin, and that is our denial of our true and whole selves.

In our world today there appears to be a great explosion of pain and suffering. We see oppressed people rising up and claiming their freedom. Freedom occurs once we claim every part of ourselves to the whole. Pastor Osteen's message is obsolete and oppressive in an age when people are awakening to their truest nature. We each have as our birthright the claim, "When you see me, you see my Father who has sent me." There, in the hearts, lives, and eyes of gay people, are all people. So there is only one thing to see and accept: gay people (like the Christ) are the living expression of love. They, too, are representatives of the Father. And our ability to fully love gay people and all people is directly connected to our experience of God.

 

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I ended my last blog about the oppression of gays by some black Christian churches by asking, "How did Jesus transcend all manner of hate?" This question has lived inside my heart and life for many ye...
I ended my last blog about the oppression of gays by some black Christian churches by asking, "How did Jesus transcend all manner of hate?" This question has lived inside my heart and life for many ye...
 
 
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01:37 PM on 01/26/2012
How is it that what is a sin can change with time? It used to be a sin to eat pork. Let your women be silent in church. No workin' on the Sabbath. And the Sabbath used to be Saturday. How can the Bible, the word of God, be so malleable?
03:00 PM on 01/30/2012
Here you are referring to the Mosiac Law. There are three parts to this law: Civil, Ceremonial and Moral. When Jesus died for our sins on the Cross, he fulfilled most of the Mosiac Law. We are now saved my Grace and no longer under the Law BUT we must keep the Commandments. Jesus did not come to undo the law per say but to fulfill it. There would be no way that we would be able to enter heaven if we were under the Law. God knew this and this is why Jesus paid the price for our sins. It is SO important for people to go to Bible study and get a better understanding. God is not the creator of confusion. Homosexuality is a sin but it is no greater than any other and this is true. It's the reality of it and people just don't want to accept it.

Here is some more understanding about the things you listed above as one in particular is a ceremonial piece to the Jewish culture and not of Gentiles / Christians ( e.g. eating pork). Hope this information helps. It's a long article but its worth the understanding.

http://bible.org/article/mosaic-law-its-function-and-purpose-new-testament
09:09 AM on 02/09/2012
So did your god put some clear divisions in the Bible between ceremonial, moral and civil law, or did it require the handiwork of some fallible man to divide up these various parts as he sees fit, and be sure to throw all of those icky same sex activities in the "moral" bin? Haven't cracked open Leviticus in awhile (and when I did so it was an English translation), but last time I checked it seemed like a pretty big jumble with statements calling the mixing of fabrics or eating shrimp an abomination right before or after that verse about man lying with man you Christianists are so fond of.
12:20 PM on 01/26/2012
Just because the man said that being gay is a sin doesn't mean that he has hate in his heart. This is where I have the problem, if I am married and cheat I have commited a sin do that mean that the preach hate me or for that matter do the church as a whole hate me? As Jesus so clearly stated to the world, have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth? Just say it right is all I am saying.
03:43 PM on 01/25/2012
Im a sinner because im an alcoholic,I have to repent....why dont the gays? why should they get a free pass? why should a gossiper get a free pass? everyone has to repent.
12:22 PM on 01/26/2012
Paul, this is the same arugument I have, I correct my children when they do wrong because I love them, why because someone tell you the truth it has to be because they hate you. Come on Man!!!!
11:38 AM on 01/27/2012
Because being gay is not a sin, having love for another person the way that God made you is not a sin. You can decide to not drink alcohol, how can you tell someone not to love the person who in their heart they truly love. That is where this argument fails time and time again. The church changes what is a sin as it sees fit, the bible says many things are sins, but miraculously now the church has decided to overlook those as antiquated and has changed with the times (the sabbath, eating pork, killing your neighbor because of displeasing odors, making your neighbors your slaves, and on and on and on).

You can't just change the word of god as you wish, unless you also decide to admit that the bible is not the true word of god. It is the word of men they interpret to be in line with god. So how about this I spoke with god the other day and will be publishing a new update bible, he came to me in a vision on top of the mountain in my backyard and spoke to me. We had a long heart to heart and went through the bible for revisions. Look for it to be on bookshelves by 2014 (lots of revisions to be made).
03:42 PM on 01/25/2012
Some of my closest friends are gay, male and female, I love them all. I don't think God or Jesus loves gay people any less than they/he loves Joel Osteen. Lakewood church is Bible based non demoninational, Joel preaches and follows it's message, he is the real deal. He doesn't judge, he knows it's not his place nor mine or anyone else's. Joel has a gift for uplifting the soul and offering hope, take the time to listen to his message and know it's meant for all Gods children and we are ALL Gods children
12:25 PM on 01/26/2012
Judow, and the message is that we all have to pay for the things done in this life that are not in line with God's will for us. Sin is sin and there is a penelty to pay if we commit them. Jesus said it best, "Have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth?" We have are in the same boat, no free passes for anyone living a sinful life and yes God do love us all the same. The book of Hebrew will help to make this clearer.
12:31 PM on 01/25/2012
well it seems that sin transends time...what was a sin 2000 years ago applies today..tomorrow and in the future..i say if gay people feel the need to change their life..they should seek out spritual guidance..if not..well then its their life and they are the only ones responsible for their afterlife...
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04:18 PM on 02/09/2012
So you think it's alright to own slaves.
05:34 PM on 01/24/2012
All you haters out there against gay people..."Just not lest ye be judged...Let he or she among you WHO IS WITHOUT SIN, be the first to cast a stone..." I wonder how many of you have had pre-marital sex, gossiped, got angry, are snobs, don't give to the poor and needy..I'm willing to bet NONE of you "Christian" people have. I'm so sick and tired of "Bible Christians" using scripture to denounce others, when you ignore most of scripture in the first place. Why bother quoting scripture when you ignore most of it?? "Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ". Have a nice day! >:-)
04:52 PM on 01/25/2012
There is a diffrence in the tense of your statement, they are all past. We all how believe have sinned. We repented and asked God for forgiveness. The Bible states God is faithful to us if we repent. We are not to judge who is or who is not going to hell. We're to judge the sin. How do I know that God hates lying, read the Bible. How do I know God hates sexual deviation, read
The Bible. If you want to discuss other types of issue and how they affect people we can.
03:38 PM on 01/30/2012
Luke 17:3-6 Take heed to yourselves; if your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him; and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, and says, I repent,' you must forgive him."

No one is against anyone. You MUST offer reproof and rebuke for ANY sin. The Bible calls for it.

2 Timothy 4:3
For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear.

You are the one that is ignoring your scripture. Learn the word of God before you start to get angry. I CANNOT as a Christian not rebuke you if you've sinned as I would hope that someone would do the same for me. PERIOD.
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04:48 PM on 01/24/2012
"These types of declarations and beliefs by some Christians conflict with what I've come to see as the deeper meaning within the teachings of Jesus. "

And therre is the crux of the problem. Those, like you and Osteen that accept some collection of historical tales as being the word of some mythical super being are equally gullible (and a danger to all others).

Yes, Osteen is right in what he says is written, but like yourself and millions of other readers they then turn around and pick and choose from the fables as to which ones are 'real' and completely ignore the fact that their are literally hundreds of examples of exact opposites being said in that collection.

Rid the superstition and you might just find that you have also gotten rid of most prejudices. aAsk yourself which is the goal, the demolishing of prejudice of homosexuality, or arguing which interpretation of a book that is at the root of the problem is the actual 'holy' word.

Shallow thinking never solves problems, usually it prolongs or exacerbates them.
03:30 PM on 01/24/2012
And you know the grace of our Lord Jesus, how that being rich ,he made himself poor that you might be rich. beloved, I wish above all things that you may prosper and be in health even as your soul prospers, Charge those who are rich in this world that they be not arrogant (selfish,..etc) but to communicate. God expects his Children who work hard to reap plenty. For this I say he that soweth sparingly will also reap plenty and he that soweth sparingly will also reap sparingly, see also Luke 6:38, and above all Deut 28:1-14. and you will easily know that God wants whatever we lay our hands upon to prosper. How the wealth is used not to abuse their wealth is what is important. If God cannot prosper those who dutifully and faithfully serve Him, then he is not expecting any one to believe Him or take Him serious. Pastor Joel may have been blessed by God for having given all before. Matthew 19:27-.
I will plead with you christian brethren to do a diligent study of the Bible to know the mind of God on homosexuality. the is the major sin for which God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and there is no where the bible has changed His mind that abomination is now acceptable so unrepentant sinner may come in to the Kingdom.Many are called but few are chosen.
Pastor Tunde Eseyin
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04:22 PM on 01/24/2012
According to Ezekiel this was the sin of Sodom: "...Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy."
Ezek 16:49 (KJV)
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11:12 AM on 01/25/2012
take your iron age superstitions and go away....
02:33 PM on 01/24/2012
People, God's word is true. Whether you believe it or not - HIS WORD IS TRUE AND THE ONLY WAY. I say this in love. Please read Romans chapter 1 (specifically Romans 1:27).

I know many people and no sin is greater than the other. But please know that homosexuality is one of those sins. This is not a lie. One day everyone will see Jesus and have to face Him. Yet, for now, God has sent us as His messenger's to spread the good news that there is freedom in Christ. You can choose to love Jesus or you can choose to love the world. But in the end, you will have no one to blame - it's your decision. Be blessed.
04:24 PM on 01/24/2012
Read Romans 2:1 this is Paul's summation of his comments; Romans 2:1 [NASB] Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
05:24 PM on 01/25/2012
Read the verse before Romans 2:1. Take Romans 1:26 and 27. Romans 1:26
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:Romans 1:27
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Why judge when God has given them up. I don't need to judge, he's better at it.
03:41 PM on 01/30/2012
Rebuking and reproof is not judgement. Lets not get the two confused.
01:46 PM on 01/24/2012
Please know that not all Christian faith churches frown upon homosexuality. While I am straight, I could not agree with the cultural belief and stance of the Catholic church on this and many other aspects. I am now Lutheran - specifically part of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America (ELCA), as other branches of American Lutheranism have not come into the light of Christ yet to love and accept others. In 2009, there was a significant church-wide (US & international) shift in thought which allowed the ordination of homosexuals as our clergy. We acknowledge that Christianity as a whole does not yet understand the pattern of human sexual behavior, and perhaps we cannot possibly ever come to a consensus. However, the ELCA places heavy emphasis on the love and trust within the relationship, regardless if the relationship encompasses a homosexual or heterosexual couple - again living as Jesus commanded to love God and one another. The greater sin is to turn away and reject the human spirit of our neighbor. And just as worse, please do not stereotype all Christian worshipers, all Christian denominations, and even all Lutherans as anti-gay. Osteen is simply one preacher who uses his position of high authority and influence as a platform - it is HIS belief, not shared with all.
11:25 AM on 01/24/2012
Have to admire the gentlemen who lately said, "I love Jesus but, hate (organized" religions.. Why on earth did men write so many contradictive "Holy Books" that create most of the wars on earth?
Espousing "Chosen people"; "only one path"; middle men to help sell a story of unlikely redemption. Please, let's not ruin what God has set in motion here; it has such potential and it is sadly being destroyed. Not by devils; boogey-men; but, by dogmas, rituals, writers, who prey on ignorance, and greed for money.
It must be an affront to God and we are destroying ourselves. Be responsible for what you do and say. Do not look for a crutch on Sat. or Sun. morning. How ridiculous to brain-wash people into believing we are guilty of our fathers sins. God has instilled in our brains a super intelligence; a conscience, to navigate life's problems and bring happiness. How about a little confidence in ourselves and God?
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04:19 PM on 02/09/2012
I think it was Gandhi.
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06:02 AM on 01/24/2012
Why can't Christians admit that the Bible is a book written by ancient men with a political agenda? Why do they insist on pretending it is the literal word of God?
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11:13 AM on 01/25/2012
Religion poisons everything
03:37 PM on 01/23/2012
All I can say is be honest with yourself. Ask God, the Holy Spirit, personally what he thinks about your lifestyle. Does he say it's okay. Or do you have doubts? The Bible says if you have doubts about whether something is right or wrong, you shouldn't do it, because you are going to sin against your conscious. We all struggle with sin. Just because it seems naturally inate inside of you to be gay, that doesn't mean it must be okay. We all struggle with things and God understands. If you ask God if he has a problem with what you are doing and he says "No", you are fine. But if he says "Yes", ask him to help you. He will. And he doesn't expect you to be perfect.
06:33 PM on 01/23/2012
well said
12:06 PM on 01/24/2012
Well stated, indeed. If I may add, when GOD says it is wrong, why should we contradict Him? Let GOD be true and every man be a liar.

Jesus take the wheel.
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04:20 PM on 01/24/2012
I agree. Somethings we don't want to let go of because we want to do it. If a person wants to live life this way than that's their choice. It needs to be understand that all sin is a choice.
03:27 PM on 01/23/2012
Pastor Joel Osten is very right. To people who think he should not be rich as a preacher, Job was very rich and a beloved of God, Abraham was rich and all that believe in Jesus are heirs of Abraham, so why should Joel's case be different? To others that said God condemned a certain set of sin based on time and dispensation, has God changed since that time till now?. If the message of hope and heavenly kingdom he preaches do not appeal to some, then stay away from it, the time comes when everyone will answer for self before the maker and only judge of us all, but by then, it will be late to make amends. Everyone is free to make any comment but yet all comments made shall be accounted for someday. Believe it on leave it.
04:27 PM on 01/24/2012
Mark 10:17 And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him and asked him, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
18 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.
19 You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.'"
20 And he said to him, "Teacher, all these I have kept from my youth."
21 And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, "You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me."
22 Disheartened by the saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
23 And Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How difficult it will be for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God!"
08:35 PM on 01/24/2012
Are you implying that the rich cannot enter the Kingdom of God by this scripture? Look behind the context and see why the rich young ruler walked away in sorrow....he didn't want to give up what he valued the most....his wealth! Men of God who have labored and are wealthy spiritually and personally can add so much to those in need. I know people who actually believe that the poorer you are the closer you are to Heaven, so they will not get off welfare and work, yet believe that God provides for them by standing in the food stamp line when they are able to work.
09:34 AM on 01/23/2012
LGBT people should not still be offended or suprised when evangelicals profess their disdain, disagreement or disregard for homosexuality. This stance is ancient. I disagree with Osteen. I'm a black gay woman and my father is a christian minister. I know it all and I've heard it all. What I always encourage LGBT people to do, is stop SUPPORTING these organizations. Think about how many GAY people, whether in the closet or not who financially support these churches. Do you really believe all 16,000 members of his church are heterosexual? Or course not. But a lot of gay people continue to support these church organizations and ministers because they love the church culture, or something I keep hearing from time to time, "it's the message, not the messenger." This is a flawed statement. Gay folks have all the power in the world to change some of these things, but we can't change it if we still participate in it. You can't have it both ways.
09:14 AM on 02/09/2012
If you don't mind my choice of word -> AMEN! Thanks for that.