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On Gay Marriage, American Values of Fairness Trump Conservative Hypocrisy

Posted: 05/21/11 06:32 PM ET

Legalizing gay marriage has always been right. Now, according to Gallup, it is popular. For the first time in 15 years of Gallup polling on the issue, a solid majority of Americans support same-sex marriage.

This week will go down in history as the tipping point on gay marriage. Not only because a solid majority of Americans now support legal gay marriage, but also because the opponents of gay marriage have thoroughly discredited themselves.

Today Gallup reported that 53 percent of Americans favor according all the legal rights of "traditional" marriage to same-sex couples. Among Democrats, independents, liberals and moderates, and Americans under the age of 50, support is overwhelming, ranging from 59 percent to 78 percent. The Gallup poll is not an outlier, as statistician Nate Silver noted last month about the trend in gay marriage opinion polling.

On one side, the bedrock American belief in fairness has prevailed. Meanwhile, the last few weeks have been chockfull of news about the stunning hypocrisy of those who have fought to stop gay marriage.

First the Catholic Church. In the Pope's words, same-sex marriage "distorts the essence and purpose of the family." Church officials have called for Catholic politicians who advocate gay marriage, abortion, or god forbid, have sex outside of marriage, to be denied communion. And then this week, we're treated to this rationalization on sexual morality. Why did so many priests sexually abuse children? Blame the sexual revolution, according to a report commissioned by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and released on Wednesday. Priests simply couldn't control themselves in the loose environment created by the counterculture of the 1960s and 1970s.

Next to the Republican party. The newest champion of traditional family values in the 2012 presidential field is Newt Gingrich. Here's what Gingrich had to say about protests against the Mormon-funded anti-gay marriage initiative in California, Proposition 8:

I think there is a gay and secular fascism in this country that wants to impose its will on the rest of us, is prepared to use violence, to use harassment. I think it is prepared to use the government if it can get control of it. I think that it is a very dangerous threat to anybody who believes in traditional religion. And I think if you believe in historic Christianity, you have to confront the fact... These secular extremists are determined to impose on you acceptance of a series of values that are antithetical, they're the opposite, of what you're taught in Sunday school."

Although he paints himself as a traditionalist, Gingrich is a serial adulterer who has traded in two religions for his current orthodox Catholicism. He has gone through two wives (one of them cancer-ridden) and is on marriage number three, even as he warns that gays will destroy traditional religion and marriage. Gingrich walks his anti-gay talk. He was instrumental in the recall last November of the Iowa Supreme Court justices who had ruled in favor of the legality of same-sex marriage.

Let's not forget Republican U.S. Senator John Ensign, who resigned a few weeks ago to avoid being expelled from the senate over ethics charges stemming from his attempt to cover-up his affair with a staffer--a woman who was his best friend's wife. Ensign had previously pushed for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage on this logic: "Marriage is an extremely important institution in this country and protecting it is, in my mind, worth the extraordinary step of amending our constitution."

In case you're prone to dismiss these two examples as the just the delusional edge of the rightwing, cast your eyes on one of the exemplars of mainstream Republicanism. Arnold Schwarzenegger fathered a child ten years ago with a housekeeper who worked in his family's home. At the time, of course, Schwarzenegger was a husband and a father -- and not yet governor. During the course of two elections, he concealed the information from the citizens of California and his own family. Although Schwarzenegger is regarded as socially liberal, he in fact twice vetoed legislation to make same-sex marriage legal in California.

So-called traditional religious values were the last slim justification for denying some Americans the constitutional right to marry. Certainly I'm not saying all opponents of gay marriage are hypocrites. But when so many exponents of traditional marriage show such contempt for basic moral values, they lose the credibility to preach morality at the rest of us.

With a Republican party of this character, Democrats will have to take the lead on making sure popular opinion in favor of gay marriage is enacted as the law of the land. Better late than never.

 
 
 

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cwebster
predominantly exasperated
02:11 AM on 05/25/2011
For all those who oppose marriage equality, let me tell you what will happen when it inevitably becomes legal.

Gay people will be able to legally marry.

That's it. The world as you know it won't change. You won't even know about it, unless you get invited to a wedding. There will be absolutely no change in your life.
09:43 AM on 05/25/2011
There will be a change, because it will tend to solidify a catastrophic trend that has been a wrecking ball to American society for 45 years, namely, the cultural affirmation of sexual behavior outside the standard of mother-and-father families. That has been the root cause of the rising social and psychological dysfunctions that threaten civilization.
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Angel1999
Microbiologist & Historian
04:39 PM on 05/25/2011
As usual, you keep stating the grand conclusions without explaining how it will happen. How has sexual behavior been the root cause of rising social and psychological dysfunctions that threaten civilization. At best you have a correlation, but correlation does not mean causation.

I can give you another correlation: The root cause of the rising social and psychological dysfunctions that threaten civilization has been the continued rise of people who believe that corporations and have more rights and more important than citizens, the continued effort to allow corporations to do whatever they want without consequences, the continued effort to concentrate all wealth in the hands of the fewest number of people.

This is all correlated with your proposed dysfunctions and it doesn't have anything to do with the gays. Of course, I can no more prove this than you can prove that the root of all the worlds problems are homosexuals.
romano70
If conservatives were smart, they'd be liberals
11:00 PM on 05/23/2011
There are thousands of legal rights acquired through marriage. It is not about imposing anything on anyone, I have yet to meet a gay couple who wants a priest to perform their ceremony. It's about paying less taxes, about having health benefits, it's about inheritance and pensions. How does gay marriage destroy a heterosexual family? Those who bring up religious motives to attack gay marriage are really trying to impose their beliefs on all of us. They need to stop shoving their beliefs down our collective throats. If you belief in the sanctity of marriage, start a campaign against divorce. And for those who are so concerned about kids, let me ask you, how much money of your taxes are you willing to spend to support families in need, single mothers who didn't (or couldn't) get an abortion because you were to busy preaching morality? How can a conservative talk about protecting families, when they refuse to allow the government provide health care for poor kids? How are conservatives not being hypocritical here?
11:14 PM on 05/23/2011
You don't have to be religious and you don't have to be conservative to want to preserve the framework that maximizes love and stability in society. Campaigning against divorce is a good thing indeed, and in fact I'm setting up a marriage enrichment series in my city.
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Angel1999
Microbiologist & Historian
09:43 AM on 05/24/2011
That's exactly what we liberals want as well, and we think the best way to optimize this is by extending marriage benefits to more people, not to fewer.
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cwebster
predominantly exasperated
10:30 PM on 05/24/2011
Preserve the framework by making it available to all consenting couples...the more support an institution has, the stronger it will be.
06:10 PM on 05/23/2011
Marriage is stupid, outdated and unnecessary. I think the Majority of people ( and by people I mean women) just want a wedding, not a marriage.

Why cant people, of all sexual orientations, just live together with someone who makes them happy? Why do we need some ceremony to commemorate a union that will statistically go down in flames? Just go down to the court house, sign a peace of paper, and be happy?

Or maybe I'm just restarted...
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Angie Tyne 1
I want my disagree button!!
07:43 PM on 05/23/2011
There is actually a lot of stuff involved. While I agree with you in concept the reality is very different. There are a lot of State and Federal benies that go along w/the piece of paper:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/mar_bene.htm
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WheresNixon
Only children require 100% agreement! P.S. Nixon
09:16 PM on 05/23/2011
Marriage is not, nor has it ever been a requirement. So if you do not want it, no problem. Why not leave those who do to their own prerogative...
05:27 PM on 05/23/2011
Without trolling through all 700+ comments, I can easily see that about 75% of them focus on "children". Procreation - neither the ability nor the intent - is NOT a requirment of marriage. About 75% of same-gender marriages do not have children in them, so there are no children to be "harmed" in those, and in the remaining 25% that do have children, why on earth do THOSE children not need the same protections as those of heterosexual parents?

Please - could we stick to the topic - which is marriage and NOT child-rearing.
06:21 PM on 05/23/2011
Children are the heart of the heart of the issue. The question is, more than anything else, whether or not society should offer support to the framework in which all people spent their formative years.
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Angie Tyne 1
I want my disagree button!!
07:44 PM on 05/23/2011
Coolness. So why not prevent all those heteros who don't want kids from marrying, too. Since it's all about the children?
09:06 PM on 05/23/2011
"...should offer support to the framework in which all people spent their formative years."

All people? My parents divorced when I was a month old.

Allowing two people to marry does not discredit an institution, divorce does that. There was a time where divorce was unheard of. A divorce?! Really?! Scandal! Now- tell your friend you're getting a divorce, and they have a "Divorce Party." A bachelor/ette party in reverse.

Divorce is by far more damaging than Daddy and Daddy took me to my dance recital and cheered me on. When I think back on when my parents divorced- I am elated that they did when they did. I was too young to know the strife and change a divorce causes, I was too young to think "Mommy and Daddy don't love me."

I am proud of my fathers-in-law. I am proud of my sister-in-law. She was 8 when my father-in-law came out. She has grown up since proud knowing that her father had the courage to come out in a society that is unfair and cruel to those who are different. By far harder, than who her parents were, was the need to travel between her parents' home. For a child of divorce, it doesn't matter the gender of their parents- the impact is the same. When I need my parents to be there, they will never be there together. Equality for everyone.
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BeninOakland
Don't tell me you love me. Let me guess.
02:43 PM on 05/23/2011
Decline of marriage in Scandinavia?

Do you mean the trend that started in the early seventies, long before marriage equality was an issue, back when it had absolutely nothing to do with the alleged influence of people who want to get married, but instead relied upon a vastly different set of cultural rules and expectations (they are swedes, not americans) AND the bad behaviour of heterosexuals who could get married? Do you mean the trend that had instead leveled off after the marriage-lite was granted to gay people, and has been slowly on the uptick ever since?

This loudly trumpeted threat of dmage to heterosexual marriage becuase gay people can get married is just another nasty form of biogotry, one that has avbsolutely no basis in fact, logic, or experience. Like all bigotry. but don't let that stop you.

If marriage has been harmed by anyone, it has not been by gay people. It was done by heterosexuals. To blame us for causing heterosexuals to devalue marriage-- a 40% divorce rate, a 40% out-of-wedclock birth rate, 25% adultery rates-- is just the basest kind of bigotry. We value marriage. It is heteorseuxals who don't, who behave badly, and then who blame us.

try dealing with some real world statistics, instead of the propaganda you are peddling. The states with the lowest divorce rates, abortion rates, out-of-wedlock births, those in the northeast, have marriage equality. The virulently homophobic states like Texas have the highest rates.
04:16 PM on 05/23/2011
The cause of the high rates of divorce, etc. is the decline of support for the one true framework within which human beings have the highest chance of thriving and that is the one where they have the love of a mother complemented by the love of a father. Support for that has been replaced by glamorization of the several alternatives with catastrophic consequences.
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BeninOakland
Don't tell me you love me. Let me guess.
05:21 PM on 05/23/2011
as i said, try dealing with the real world, instead of propaganda.
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Angel1999
Microbiologist & Historian
05:31 PM on 05/23/2011
Just because you make up cause and effect doesn't mean that this is a reflection of reality. You are supposing that divorces can be attributed to one single factor that adequately supports your worldview, but you have no scientific evidence that supports what you're saying.

You are also confounding marriage and child rearing. You say the cause of divorce is the absence of the love of two opposite sex parents. I fail to see the connection.
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Angie Tyne 1
I want my disagree button!!
04:26 PM on 05/24/2011
Mass has the lowest divorce rate in the country:
http://tin­yurl.com/3­pg8pub
02:25 PM on 05/23/2011
I cannot believe that I live in a country where a part of our population is being denied a right that heterosexuals take for granted. The answer is pretty simple. If you don't like same sex marriage, then don't marry someone of the same sex. The message that is sent to our LGB&T youth is that they cannot participate in events that, as a society, we deem as important.

As an aside, has anyone checked the bathroom stalls in the airports recently? That would kind of round up the hypocrisy.
04:57 PM on 05/23/2011
" If you don't like same sex marriage, then don't marry someone of the same sex." Nine out of ten gays have done exactly that in the areas where same-sex marriage is an option.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
06:04 PM on 05/23/2011
No they haven't. If they've really got an option, they marry the person they love rather than the person they must to keep up the charade.
12:48 AM on 05/24/2011
What peer reviewed study did you pull that from? Please, share.
05:03 PM on 05/23/2011
Very few heterosexuals take the right to marry for granted.

The answer is pretty simple.

If you want to marry, marry a member of the opposite sex.

The message we send to our LGBT youth? Marriage is for hets. Not everyone gets a trophy.

And you're not alone, many hets do not get to marry.
05:13 PM on 05/23/2011
Which "hets" are forbidden to marry? Even the murderers incarcerated on death row can marry - heterosexually.
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Angel1999
Microbiologist & Historian
05:31 PM on 05/23/2011
You mean sort of like people used to tell interracial couples: If you want to marry, marry a member of your own race?
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freddychef
Tue,4 Nov '14 Dems take House! & Majority Senate!!
01:09 PM on 05/23/2011
TO THE AUTHOR: BRAVO ZULO!!!!
01:04 PM on 05/23/2011
MARRIAGE IS SLOWLY DYING IN SCANDINAVIA. A majority of children in Sweden and Norway are born out of wedlock. Sixty percent of first-born children in Denmark have unmarried parents. Not coincidentally, these countries have had something close to full gay marriage for a decade or more. Same-sex marriage has locked in and reinforced an existing Scandinavian trend toward the separation of marriage and parenthood. The Nordic family pattern--including gay marriage--is spreading across Europe. And by looking closely at it we can answer the key empirical question underlying the gay marriage debate. Will same-sex marriage undermine the institution of marriage? It already has.

More precisely, it has further undermined the institution. The separation of marriage from parenthood was increasing; gay marriage has widened the separation. Out-of-wedlock birthrates were rising; gay marriage has added to the factors pushing those rates higher. Instead of encouraging a society-wide return to marriage, Scandinavian gay marriage has driven home the message that marriage itself is outdated, and that virtually any family form, including out-of-wedlock parenthood, is acceptable.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/660zypwj.asp
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anahata56
Unrepentant Moonbat
01:16 PM on 05/23/2011
You haven't proven that gay marriage has anything to do with this decline. How do you know that it has any influence at all?
01:36 PM on 05/23/2011
Read the article -- link provided above.
01:50 PM on 05/23/2011
There IS no corelation. It's an opinion piece, that's all.

Like any sane married white couple got divorced because all of a sudden inter-racial couples were allowed to marry.

It's nonsense.
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FantasticFourFan
Fred Phelps represents all gay marriage opponents
01:46 PM on 05/23/2011
Weekly Standard's not exactly the most reliable source.
12:26 PM on 05/23/2011
This whole issue is about protecting the one you love. If a man and a woman dedicate their lives to one another when one passes the other is entitled by law to certain privileges to help them support themselves, i.e. social security, pensions, transfer of wealth laws, etc. If two men or two women dedicate their lives to one another when one passes the other is left out in the cold. This is wrong on any level. PERIOD!
01:53 PM on 05/23/2011
It has nothing to do with love.

It was set up to protect particularly the wife, who stayed at home and raised children, and therefore had no income/savings/property of her own.
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anahata56
Unrepentant Moonbat
02:13 PM on 05/23/2011
And of course there are no such things as life insurance policies for women, and no women out-earn their husbands, and goodness knows, a man has his children taken away from him immediately and has them put into foster care should their wives die.

What you're actually doing, in this statement, is indicating that marriage is defunct altogether in modern society, because it has no relevant purpose at all except for a small minority of individuals. Why get married at all if what it "protects" no longer exists, or exists in a different form?
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
06:06 PM on 05/23/2011
Ah but you see the laws DO work the other way around for straight couples, but not for gay ones. So you're wrong AGAIN! How's that feel, never being correct about ANYTHING?
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FantasticFourFan
Fred Phelps represents all gay marriage opponents
11:48 AM on 05/23/2011
I find it ironic these same people who think gays are destroying marriage are so willing to let Newt and co. off the hook for their own destruction of the institution of marriage. I know gay couples that would treat marriage a hell of a lot better then the republicans have.
03:09 PM on 05/23/2011
Who is letting Gingrich "off the hook?"
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FantasticFourFan
Fred Phelps represents all gay marriage opponents
05:54 PM on 05/23/2011
Apparently most of the GOP. This hasn't even been brought up as an issue. Newt isn't the only offender either. David Vitter got a standing ovation from republicans after his hooker killed herself. Jon Ensign, Mark Sanford, Donald Trump, even Rush Limbaugh all have worse marriage histories then most of the gay couples wanting to get married. So who really respects the institution of marriage?
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NavyRetiredInTexas
MNCM (Ret)
11:42 AM on 05/23/2011
The interesting part of the Gallop poll that is missing is the ratios of polled Democrats/Independents/Republicans. The data is broken down by age and gender but it does not say how many of the respondents were from each of these groups. As with any statistics, they can be skewed to say anything the poll taker wants.

If "an overwhelming number of Americans" were in favor of gay marriage than just why are so many states passing legislation that outlaws it?
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dancingstu
Christian, liberal lawyer
11:49 AM on 05/23/2011
Perhaps because the anti-equality folks are more motivated than the pro-equality ones.  It's a sad fact that hatred and anger can be much more motivating emotions than hope and desire for change.
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stuoverit
"What year did Jesus think it was?"-GC
12:20 PM on 05/23/2011
Same reason an overwhelming number of Americans were in favor of civil rights for African Americans in the middle of the 20th centuries while a number of states passed legislation outlawing them. Even more interesting is that most of the states that opposed civil rights for blacks are on the same side of the issue with gay marriage.

(Here's a hint as to which states they are: the ones that are last in every analysis of education, income, children born to teenagers and all other indicators of poverty).
12:28 PM on 05/23/2011
Like California?
12:32 PM on 05/23/2011
First in the amount of people who still wear white after Labor Day though! Long, white robes. Often at night.
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EgoNarroVerum
11:31 AM on 05/23/2011
Never understood how you could be against gay marriage. As my husband likes to put it " why shouldn't gay people get the opportunity to be as miserable as the rest of us!?"
09:56 AM on 05/23/2011
People will awaken from this gay marriage nonsense once they see the difference in the kind of love they were given by their mother and father. Wake up, folks! Male hormones are different from female hormones and influence our mental states differently. This affects how human beings grow up. These things are formative. It's amazing that people who think that the extinction of the snail-darter will upset nature feel perfectly free to mess with Mother Nature when it comes to something as basic as how people live their most formative years!
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ianmcc
Those who you let anger you conquer you
10:04 AM on 05/23/2011
Oh man, the Freudian gender love theory has been THOROUGHLY debunked some time ago. Come up with something new to support your prejudice towards Marriage Equality for Gay Americans.
12:03 PM on 05/23/2011
Mother Nature is prejudiced *towards* heterosexuality.
Marcelmatador
think more, emote less
02:31 PM on 05/23/2011
What is most important for children is that parents are loving. Hormonal diversity is nice but not a hundreth as important.
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rextrek
50yr old, Moderate-liberal in S.NJ/Phila
10:46 AM on 05/23/2011
how about GROW UP? Millions of kids NOW - right NOW....live in single house-hold homes....some head by a dad, some by a mom, some due to divorce, some due to death.....some live with thier grandparents......america has all kinds of families...the Leave it to Beaver show was just that - a show..NOT REAL....now, pretend its a bridge..and get over it.
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MCWAY
11:03 AM on 05/23/2011
And many of those families are JACKED UP, because of that (especially among minorities, blacks, in particular). Single households are NOT done, for the most part, by design.
 
Such is a recipe for DISASTER. It's supposed to be Mom and Dad with the kids. We've seen the abberations and the catastrophic results of such. How about YOU GROW UP and get a clue.
11:27 AM on 05/23/2011
Leave It to Beaver is my brother-in-law's favorite show. He in the fifties and he watches all the reruns. I think it has to do with the insanely dysfunctional family of his growing up. Personally I don't know that show but I remember watching shows like that throughout the Fifties and, sure, it was an ideal that was always portrayed. But it was a worthy ideal. Kids had problems: Mom had one way of contributing, Dad had another, and in the end things worked out -- in ways that were usually much better than in the kind of situation just described by rextrek.
09:47 AM on 05/23/2011
Marriage predates religion and government, and from the beginning of marriage it has been between a man and a woman, it is not religion's right or government's right to change it. Also, we should learn from history and current events. Trotsky's USSR tried Same Sex Marriage because they thought it was a religious vestige, Stalin made it illegal again because it all failed and was destroying their country. J.D. Unwin studied the 86 major cultures over 5000 years, no culture survived more than 3 generations once they became sexually permissive including gay marriage. Currently Scandanavian countries have killed marriage. Only 10% of gays opt for marriage, and traditional marriage and child birth is declining while out of wedlock births are soaring. However the countries don't even produce enough children to continue a society. Do you know what the number one male name in northern Europe is? Mohammad. Do you think Fjord and Bjork are naming their kids Mohammad?

There is also no evidence that being gay is inborn. Not only do people choose to be gay but not even heterosexuality is inborn. Sexuality is multifactorial and changes. Also the 10% of people are gay number is from an incorrect reading of a Kinsey Report, the number is more like 3% of people are gay. Also the conversion rates of people from gay to straight is better than conversion rates for Drugs or other addictions

gays are people, they should be loved like anyone. i just don't support their marriage
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wakeupyouall
10:57 AM on 05/23/2011
actually your first statement was incorrect. May be you meant Sex. But even that, it was millons of years before our ancestors connected sex and the birth of children.Marriage was originaly about contract law and the ownership of property and until most recently women were considered property bought and sold. Get over it gay people are tremendously giftted and talented people and they have been around as long as history and in many speciies created by god as one of the gifts he gave humanity.
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NavyRetiredInTexas
MNCM (Ret)
11:46 AM on 05/23/2011
God did not "give" us homosexuals as a "gift". God's gift to us is a free will. He also gave us his laws to live by. One of those is that a man shall take a woman as his mate and that homosexuality is an abomination. If you decide to live a homosexual life that is your decision. Unfortunately (for YOU) that decision will be yours alone to atone for.
10:58 AM on 05/23/2011
Serious anti-gay propagandist here. Who's your teacher, James Dobson? 86 major cultures over 5000 years - exactly the sort of erudite-seeming claim heard on evangelical radio intended to wow uneducated fundamentalist Christians. Care to name these cultures or explain this apparently inevitable (be scared Christian Americans - we're next!) trend toward sexual license? Same-sex marriage was destroying the Soviet Union. Uh huh. Being gay is not innate. Common sense alone contradicts that one - Gays aren't finding some way toward heterosexual orientation even in the face of abandonment by their own families and sometimes they're even choosing suicide over "conversion"? Right. And where are all these converted gays? Common sense, once again, ought to tell everyone that given the intense homophobia in this society anyone who managed the impossible - to change homosexual orientation into heterosexual orientation - would, overnight, become as famous and as wealthy as Bill Gates and Oprah combined.
Certainly appropriate that someone as intellectually dishonest as you would end your comment with two more lies - that you think gays should be loved (when you in fact condemn us) and you just don't support gay marriage (when serious bigotry, not marriage, is obviously the issue in your case).
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MonthlyBeast
Still working on my nano-bio.
11:05 AM on 05/23/2011
I was ready to respond but noticed you did it far better than I would have. F&F.
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MCWAY
09:36 AM on 05/23/2011
What "tipping point"? As usual, liberals spout some poll, claiming Americans favor gay "marriage"; then when they get beat on a state marriage amendment vote (again), they're in shock.
 
We saw this in California. They cited poll after poll after poll, claiming Prop. 8 was toast. Then, the ACTUAL election went down. Prop. 8 passed.
 
Even in my home state of Florida, liberals bragged about Amendment 2's defeat, claiming that NONE of their polls had it reaching the 60% supermajority requirement (as of 2007) required to pass.
 
But, when the dust settled....62-38, Amendment 2 PASSED!!!
 
Now, Minnesota is on the clock; their amendment passed its Assembly and Senate and will be on the 2012 ballot.
 
Let's see if history repeats itself.
09:50 AM on 05/23/2011
Why is government even in the marriage business?

Really? Why?

If two consenting adults are in love and wish to commit themselves to eachother-what say does government have over that?

It is truly NONE of the government's business whatsoever!!!

If we are a Nation which values freedom and liberty, than let people be free and at liberty to marry whomever they wish.

How can anyone be against that?

Government should recognize ONLY civil union contracts-for ALL Americans.

The marriage part is religious and the churches and synagogues etc. can handle all that-or not-it's up to them and their flock.
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Marisa Stein
~I solemly swear that I am up to no good~
11:30 AM on 05/23/2011
why not?
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MCWAY
11:31 AM on 05/23/2011
Again, why the limitation to just two? You are basically advocating the same government involvement with the institution of marriage.
 
 
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FantasticFourFan
Fred Phelps represents all gay marriage opponents
11:45 AM on 05/23/2011
Your side lied in Calif. because that's the only way you could get it passed. Cons have to lie in order to get things passed, that's the only way they can. Gay marriage doesn't harm anyone, and no one can prove that it does.
04:53 PM on 05/23/2011
LOL!

Even the LGBT activists (with whom I was meeting in CA during the Prop 8 campaign) conceded it was THEIR advertising that was the disaster -- the Gavin Newsom ad was the turning point.

Lots of finger pointing in LA amongst the activist orgs that week!