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Natalie Holder-Winfield

Natalie Holder-Winfield

Posted: February 1, 2010 08:02 AM

That Was Mighty White of You Chris Matthews

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So, by now you have probably heard the jokes and fallout over MSNBC political pundit Chris Matthews' infamous "postracial" comment. In a moment of frat boy giddiness, an amped up Matthews was so excited by the greatness of the President's State of the Union address that he "forgot that the President was black."

Believe it or not, I was not surprised to hear Matthews make this admission because he confirmed what I have suspected for years. There are well-meaning white men who do not associate intellectual greatness and leadership with people of color.

We all make mistakes and I doubt that Matthews meant any harm by his comments. I have proudly watched Matthews defend President Obama against attacks by his more conservative brethren on MSNBC. His early support for Obama goes back to the days when he was merely a presidential candidate. And, usually, Matthews' views on race are open minded.

Yet the ridiculousness of Matthews' comment exposed the subconscious lowered expectations that many white men harbor about people of color. These lowered expectations help to explain why so many well-meaning white men marvel when they come across an intellectual powerhouse of color. I'm sure that the following revelations sound familiar: "He is so articulate. He is so well spoken. He is such a clean guy."

Sure, black men are admired for their talents, but it is usually in the context of being the entertainment. They are great musicians and athletes. But ultimately, they are the entertainment. When it comes to running a company, an organization and the United States of America, those levels of leadership go beyond the experiences and expectations of many well-meaning white men. Therefore when intellectual excellence is in the room, it is not normal to expect to see a black man.

Many social commentators and comedians were even appalled that Matthews could even make the comment about forgetting that Obama was black. "How could Chris Matthews say that? Why would he say that?" It's simple. Chris Matthews operates from a point of privilege bestowed upon him by his whiteness. This privilege gives him the liberty to see his whiteness as being the normative in American society and everything else as "othered." Being white gives Matthews the privilege of forgetting to see an element of President Obama's identity. I wonder what President Obama started to look like to Chris Matthews. Did Matthews still see him as a human being?

In the event that Matthews is open to making this a teachable moment, I would encourage him to learn why his comment was so inflammatory. Forgetting Obama's race encompasses the challenges people of color encounter as we seek promotions, advancements and high-level leadership opportunities. If people of color are not expected to be intellectually great, we will not be trusted to lead. And that's what makes Matthews' statement not only insensitive but also dangerous.

 

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12:27 PM on 02/03/2010
Thanks, Natalie, for your article. As a white man, I've been privileged to have black friends in my life to point my short-sightedness out to me. Yes, as a person with great privilege, I'm sure I also have a great responsibility to use it well. That most certainly includes understanding that others don't share all that I've benefited from and how failing to notice my privilege can be hurtful (or even harmful).
10:05 PM on 02/02/2010
In-artful; clumsy; foot-in-mouth; how ever you want to take it, I'm glad it was said, and glad it was Matthews saying it. Being white myself, I can relate to a degree what Chris was experiencing. I come from a fairly colorblind home, and have gone back and forth, over my 61 years, as to where my feelings actually lay. It is something we all have to work out in our own way, and if successful, we emerge in the light.
Matthews showed his honesty. The elephant in the room is always color, from whichever side you're on. What's important is how you respond to it, in your heart and actions.

I think Matthews has nothing to apologize for. His statement should be recognized for its honesty, and benign nature.

IMHO
10:11 PM on 02/02/2010
Well said....and please note I am an AA female....37 yo.
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11:19 AM on 02/03/2010
That sort of statement, while I cannot imagine it being honest, it certainly is not benign. It is insulting in its stupidity. As the entire world knows that President Obama is Black, it is continually aggravating to see American whites still absolutely unaware of the world at large. The kindest thing that one can say about such outbursts is that they are childish. This nation is outranked in education and health care by so much of the world now that having to even entertain this kind of nonsense is bizarre in the extreme.
04:17 PM on 02/03/2010
"That sort of statement, while I cannot imagine it being honest,
it certainly is not benign. It is insulting in its stupidity."

"honest".---I truly take Matthews feelings as being honest. It may have been said in an inarticulate way, but I believe it was heartfelt, none the less.

"benign".---Because Matthews has shown his favorable feelings, toward the black experience, as best he perceives it, and his strong backing for the President and all his has attempted to do, I do not take anything he says that may be perceived as derogatory, as such.

"stupidity".--- Who are_you_, to decide this? Being that he is in a position to express his opinion, day in and day out, I am sure it is possible that given the chance, he would change the way he may couch any given situation, but to call it stupid, is beyond the pail.
07:48 PM on 02/02/2010
Natalie, please chill.
Chris' words were inartfully spoken but he meant well. I see Chris almost like a proud father figure whose words tend to spurt before he truly thinks. We all know people like this. Chris is not only a proud supporter of Obama and relishes it, he has said in the past that he never grew up around blacks, his world view is that colored...er...skewed by his solid immersion in white, middle-working class PA Irish-Catholic.
I'd rather have Chris than some me@ly-mouth whites who say the right things and work like heck to keep the status quo.
In my house, we love you Chris even if you misspeak sometimes.
07:07 PM on 02/02/2010
I don't know... obviously, different people will interpret what he said in different ways, based on their backgrounds and their familiarity with Chris Matthews. But I don't agree with your assessment at all. I think it had more to do with rather recent questions about whether white people would accept a black man as their president. Just over a year ago, people were asking if it was even possible for a black man to be elected to that office. And now, a year later, many are no longer thinking in terms of race. We don't think of him as our black president. He is our president. I think that's what Chris Matthews was getting at, albeit awkwardly. That we've made some progress in race relations in this manner.
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05:37 PM on 02/02/2010
Honey, there are well-meaning BLACK men "who do not associate intellectual greatness and leadership with people of color."

Are you going to ignore the black civil rights leaders and social gadflys who decry the lack of parenting and education, the rampant criminal choices that typify a large portion of the black community? The clothing copied from prison fashion, the language deliberately slurred and degraded, education abandoned, birth control unused? Ask Bill Cosby what educated black people think of the black masses. Jon Stewart will echo that, if you asked his opinion of red/necks.

I live in a fully integrated city, and love it. But I don't need to even look to discover the ethnic heritage of the loud, abrasive, egotistical English-slaughterers behind me on the MAX, doing their best to demonstrate a low 80's IQ. I can't IMAGINE how they are going to get a job, or develop strong, positive, uplifting relationships. Statistically? They won't, and that's tragic. There is no possible way they will be able to encourage the silent, glazed, unhappy toddlers the young single mothers have strapped into umbrella strollers to become educated businessmen, teachers or activists.

I want Barack Obama -- well-spoken and openly intelligient -- to be the norm. For his polite and informed behavior to portray what we expect when we meet any African-American. Because I see him as a man -- not as a black man. And that is the way it should be.
11:14 AM on 02/02/2010
Wow - I find this post well meaning but WAY off base...god I cringed when he started going there but I think most of us know what he was trying to get at. I think for him he was actually most amazed at himself - his OWN reaction that after spending so much of life seeing things and especially politics through a racial lens - it's unavoidable- that he caught himself there, watching the first American President of color, in and of itself an amazing fact, for an hour, and his color didn't cross his mind. This was a very big deal to him and he tried to express it. He saw Obama for the content of his character not the color of his skin and for a man of his generation this is an ideal that when reached, even for 1 hour, is moving. He SURELY could have said it better but we cannot be held to a standard of perfect speech for it would be paralyzing.
07:52 PM on 02/02/2010
Totally agree!
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11:08 AM on 02/03/2010
Nonsense, he is a professional journalist, the very least he should be capable is perfect speech.
He should save any future idiotic remarks for the locker room.
04:14 PM on 02/01/2010
I am a white male in my early 40s who has supported the President since the day he announced and worked hard to get him elected -- not because of his race but because he was clearly the best candidate to come along in my entire life. He proved that again last Friday with his Q&A with Republicans. Sadly, I will probably never see another President of such high quality, man or woman, no matter what race they are.

I was appalled by Chris' statement. I knew immediately what he meant: "hey everybody who knew a black guy could be so Presidential? What a nice surprise." Ugh. The whole thing was embarrassing and made me cringe.

It was especially awful given that the last President was white and completely incompetent. But his idiocy is attributed to him personally, not his race.

All of which proves that as much as he'd like to think he is, Chris isn't all that post-racial himself, not deep down.
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09:29 PM on 02/01/2010
Oddly, I sympathize with Chris Matthews. He is very reminiscent of the Spencer Tracy character in "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" -- a lifelong, proud liberal confronted with the consequence of championing his noble beliefs to his only daughter. If you've never seen it, you must. Filmed in 1967, It is profoundly prescient of every intellectual, moral and emotional dynamic that Matthews (and other well-meaning liberals of his generation) are likely struggling through.
10:29 AM on 02/02/2010
Great comment.
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12:44 PM on 02/02/2010
I agree, excellent comment, ccoppe !
I read Matthews comment, and it seems that he meant that the speech was universal in concept and transcended racial-socio-economic boundaries.
There is an entire generation of crusty old men (think Clint Eastwood in "Gran Torino") who, in spite of the way they verbally express themselves, demonstrate less racism in their acts than many who just do a lotta talkin'.
09:02 AM on 02/01/2010
I was actually watching the post speech coverage and was perplexed by it. I suppose being white, I didn't see it quite as negatively as Ms. Holder'Winfield. I didn't read the - Oh he is so articulate into it. To be honest I had no idea where he was coming from at all. I think the racial aspects of this election were coverd in such depth that I might be able to give Chris the benefit of the doubt and think that maybe he meant all the discussions of race should be done with and he's just President. Yes, I realize he was discussing race.

It could appear that I am reaching here. I just like to play devil's advocate and give another thought as to what he meant other than the worst case scenario. I am not even a fan of his really. I just learned long ago to try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

I realize this was not a scathing attack on him. I think it was a very fair article. Just trying to present another way of looking at it.
08:55 AM on 02/01/2010
Wow. This article is sooooooo true. I'm a black woman, but I have experienced this as well. Well-meaning white folks really do not see or understand the real issue with these types of statements. They are blissfully ignorant of how insulting it is and cannot understand why some of us take offense. A lot of their knowledge of black folks come from the media, which always puts us at extremes, so they honestly think all of us came from broken homes, grew up in the hood, wear weaves and watch BET. And if we have money, we must be doing something illegal to be able to fill up all the jails in every state (according to whatever statistic fits). As you stated, black men are admired for superficial things because that allows for marginalization. We can have achievements in entertainment, but leave the "important stuff" up to the white man. That was the thought running thru the minds of millions prior to election day and even more so today. First, Obama had to be able to talk to the American people and not alienate the "scurd" ones. Now, talking is not that important, he has to take more action (as if HIS actions, ALONE -- and not congress, would fix everything). The goal post will continue to be moved to disprove any notion that it is possible for a black man to do the "important stuff".
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05:48 PM on 02/02/2010
My knowledge of black folks comes from living in a completely integrated city. And ignoring the facts -- children raising children, single-motherhood, parents in rehab, abandoned education, glorification of the material, a learned acceptance of personal violence and indelicacy of demeanor, deliberate speech impediments and use of street patois, even in interview situations -- please.

The youth of the black community are allowed to take prison mentality and misogyny as cultural icons. They are not taught the basics of fitting into society, and to a great extent this is because their elders cannot imagine fitting into any higher reaches of society.

Insisting that all black folks be viewed equally is legitimate; but when the most numerous and visible portion is of the same quality as our dearly beloved re/dnecks -- that is who we will see them as equal to.
06:18 PM on 02/02/2010
Did you ever dig deeper to find out why that is? Or are you satisfied with making this statement and moving on? I appreciate that you recognize the re/dneck similarities--something most fail to do--but what you miss is, white people think that ghetto black folks act that way because of their SKIN COLOR--which means that those things you've mentioned are ALL that anyone with black skin is capable of. At the same time, rednecks are considered STILL WHITE but their environment, level of education, etc, causes them to act they way they do. Some white people will readily agree with the notion that blacks are quicker to commit crime, when most of them have family members in prison. But they dont consider that family member as a representative of their entire race. You dont consider re/dnecks a representative of your race. So why do we have to? I know some slang-talking rednecks that I dont believe have EVER read a book. But that doesnt make me walk up to my corporate co-workers and say "Gee, you're really intellegent".
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08:36 AM on 02/01/2010
Occasionally such blunders emerge from the lips of those you would not equate to racism. What it reveals I think is something learned in early childhood, before conscious reasoning could differentiaite such things of this nature. I know this because although I am white, I would never even think somthing like this which I equate to my early childhood where i was never exposed to racial behavior by anyone important to me. Although my childhood was far from ideal which has had many negative affects on other parts of my life, anti racial behavior was never part of it. In the end I think it is a sort of ignorance that could have been seemlessly incorporated through no choice of the child.