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Making Friends Post 20-Something Is Harder Than Meeting a Mate

Posted: 07/31/2012 8:00 am

I moved out to Los Angeles a little over a year ago, knowing I would take a hit in the friend department. It was my choice to move. I dreamed about it for years. I wanted to experience West Coast living, trade my winter coat for a wetsuit, pick up my tennis game, spend the whole year outdoors and take long weekends exploring the great state of California in my (obligatory) convertible. The only thing that held me back from doing it sooner was fear. Fear that I would be too far from friends and family, that I would miss them too much and that we would grow apart. Fear that I would never find anyone that would quite measure up... and fear that I would.

However, my husband and I, just married and without a family of our own yet, figured it was the perfect time to be adventurous. So, we faced our fears and booked a one-way ticket to La La Land. And, thank God we did. We love it here. Our lifestyle is lighter, healthier and, arguably, happier. But that's not to say it's been easy.

We moved in mid-December from our window-encased, walk to work, brave the elements Manhattan high-rise desperate for sunshine, and for the first two weeks it rained. Profusely. It was nonstop, side-pounding, soul-drenching hail. My husband was busy (with work events each night) and I was depressed. The few friends we had here were also otherwise engaged with job functions and holiday parties and I was left to unpack our house alone, my tears mimicking the rain.

Frantic to call home, best friends, anyone that felt warm, comfortable and knowing, I rang and rang but the time difference proved to be quite the challenge. Once I woke and was driving to work, they were already there. My lunch hour coincided with their afternoon meetings, and late-day coffee break with their dinner. When I finally got out of work and headed home, they were likely in bed already. Who knew three hours could be so alienating?

I went from working in a fairly sizeable New York office with plenty of buddies to a small outpost in LA with only a few bodies and many different personalities. People there were sweet enough but no one really meshed, nor did they care to. To make matters worse, Los Angeles is particularly challenging because the main means of transport is driving. Not only does that limit bonding to a few drinks (one, if you're a lightweight like me), but also with people so scattered, it's hard to agree on a destination. In LA, if you have to cross the 405, it's not happening.

After a challenging day at work, in need of a glass of wine and some commiserating, there was only one option: myself. (I've never been a solo drinker. To me, that's a slippery slope. It's like being left alone with an entire batch of cookies. I can't be held responsible.) I love me some alone time, but after endless nights and weekends by myself in new, unsettling territory, I craved companionship. It was clear what I had to do: I needed to make some new friends -- and stat. But how?

I thought back to the advice I'd repeatedly given over the years to my single friends looking to meet a mate: Get involved, do things you love. So I signed up for a charity, found a Pilates studio and tried a book group. And, like my friends have reported back countless times before -- which I never quite believed until now, for various reasons -- none of them worked. I also tried becoming closer with the few people I casually knew out here to no avail. I'm not sure whether it's the distance, the already-full schedule or just plain me, but any way you slice it, we're not hanging out and that bums me out.

Moving to a new city, you would think, would help. And, it does. A bit. There's more of an effort on my part to get out. (Toward the end of my stint in New York, I was content to couch-it.) But, for those that aren't, the feeling isn't exactly reciprocated. Let's face it, most people don't get to see the friends they do have all that much. The ones they've invested years in, the ones who know their quirks and flaws and accept them anyway. Why would they willingly take on new friends they have to get to know and add them to the increasing list of people they never see? We so spend much of our lives making introductions, put in awkward situations and being "on" that, when we're not, we want to be comfortable. And, if you're like me, you do so while in elastic waist pants with the aforementioned batch of cookies. It's like Cheers. Did Sam, Norm or Diane want new people in their home? No! And neither do the late-20, early-30-something Angelinos. And I can't say I blame them. But where does that leave me?

I was at Whole Foods the other day and a girl-crush-worthy fellow shopper in line behind me asked me about the snap peas I was holding. We chatted for a moment about my produce when I noticed her handbag. It was quilted. It was chic. It was Tory Burch. Naturally, I told her I loved it. She returned the compliment, appreciating my blouse. We were clicking! I imagined us meeting up for morning yoga, shopping for our organic goodies, tossing them in the car and then skipping to fro-yo and loading up on all the bad toppings together. Everything within me said to keep on chatting, that this was her: my new sidekick! But, instead of continuing the convo, I panicked, grabbed my bags and left. I didn't want her to think I was hitting on her, nor did I want to appear like a loser with no friends, desperately trolling the grocery aisles for an adult, childless play-date. I couldn't help but think it would be so much easier if it was a romantic interest. At least then, there's more of a primal urge to make the move, certainly more than swapping recipes and fashion tips!

Meeting a significant other is hard, no doubt. But, I would argue, making friends in your late 20s and early 30s is harder. At least with a romantic interest there's flirting, chemistry and incentive. And, maybe even the added benefit of making friends with or through them. Now that I'm married, in my early 30s, currently working from home and in a new city, never before has making friends been so challenging.

And, I know I'm not alone. I've had this conversation with plenty who share my plight. So, if there are so many of us in the same boat, what are we waiting for? Let's sail... to Friendship Island, grab some margs and get to chatting!

My single friends would tell me that, while I may think it's slightly easier, finding a mate is more important than another friend. And they may be right. But lovers come and go. Friends are forever. Right? At least that's what I'm banking on. Don't tell me otherwise! I'm not good at making new ones, remember?

Ultimately, I'm blessed to have many great friends both long-distance and local and I need to focus on them. But, hey, if you know of someone, preferably sane and a lover of wine and cookies, who's in the LA friend market, let me know! I make a mean snap pea side dish.

 

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I moved out to Los Angeles a little over a year ago, knowing I would take a hit in the friend department. It was my choice to move. I dreamed about it for years. I wanted to experience West Coast livi...
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11:32 AM on 08/15/2012
For me personally, I've always found dating way easier than trying to make platonic female friends. One reason is that there are typically clearly defined rules involved in dating (no, I'm not referring to that ridiculous book) that don't really exist in making platonic female friends. Another is that, with the exception of work, you're no longer in school and aren't put into a situation where you get to know people on a continual basis (and even that takes some time). Also, there are some of us who have had really painful experiences with other girls/women which, like it or not, can be very emotionally traumatic (to the point of having intense social anxiety around other women). Unfortunately for me, I fall into the last category. I've always been more comfortable around men because of this (which can present its own problems). Even though I know I need to put myself out there/make more of an effort, I'm very wary.
01:56 AM on 08/14/2012
Wow! Your story is identical to mine. Just moved to Seattle from Florida a month ago for my dream job, living with my long time boyfriend, FRIENDLESS! Or actually GIRLFRIENDLESS! I'm an engineer and all of my current friends over here are guys -_- Of course, they're a lot of fun and know how to party. But I need some girl time/talk. Sangrias and staring at pictures of Ryan Lochte, is that too much to ask for?
But like you, I'm hopeful. I've joined a gym with a ton of group classes and I joined a professional society. Crossing my fingers I'll make some friends to last a lifetime. And I'm crossing my fingers for you too! :)
Also, thank you for writing this! I definitely feel a little less lonely now!
HenryT2
You can't fight a fire or THE SYSTEM from within
10:07 PM on 08/13/2012
I've lived in 13 countries and never lived in one house for more than 2 years until I was 40. I had a doctorate level education in new friend making. But then, I'm happy with one or two good friends. I don't like acquaintances much. I find they're more trouble than they're worth. But, all in all, it is definitely more difficult to make friends in your thirties/forties.

However, if you're going to make friends, running away from a conversation like the author did with the woman in whole foods makes friendship not just difficult, but impossible. That situation requires a "I'm new in town...let's have coffee"
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Jo Derr
03:51 PM on 08/05/2012
Wish I was in LA- in the same boat in PA but a little reversed- all of my close friends moved out west! It stinks trying to find "the one", in terms of a close friend. Most of my current "friends" have multiple friendships
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clearglassmirror
08:11 PM on 08/02/2012
This story is way too long. Maybe the reason it's hard for this girl is because she talks so darn much!
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Natalie Thomas
09:50 PM on 08/02/2012
I'm sorry you feel that way.
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clearglassmirror
05:24 PM on 08/03/2012
Lol! I was hoping you'd read that! ;) To be honest, sounds to me like you were a cute girl who had friends fall in her lap, and then got married, and now taste how hard making friends is in real life. I imagine it's a little shocking.
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KangKodosOfQueens
Always on, slightly off.
12:14 AM on 08/04/2012
Don't apologize to hurtful people who are incapable of maintaining interest beyond one paragraph, and only communicate with insults. There's a reason CGM has 1 friend (perhaps 1 too many).
08:03 PM on 08/02/2012
Are Tory Burch and Laurel Burch one and the same designer?
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Natalie Thomas
09:51 PM on 08/02/2012
No. They're different.
01:45 PM on 08/02/2012
Maybe people are expecting too much too soon. If you make a new acquaintance at yoga class or work, be content with an occasional coffee 'date". It might take a while before it progresses to wine and pedicures. For most people, a mate or steady complicates things. Haven't you noticed how obssesive your guy gets when meeting your friends? Well it makes them uncomfortable too. No one wants to hear this but ...church or your place of worship, whatever that may be, is the best place to make a new friend because you're already open spiritually speaking, by just being there. Just know, it will never be like when you were six, on a new playground for the first time....and it shouldn't be.
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Natalie Thomas
09:49 PM on 08/02/2012
Thanks for sharing.
isisreptiles
Pro-choice, pro marriage equality
12:19 AM on 08/04/2012
Not everyone chooses to attend a church or other place of worship.
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jwmeritt
01:45 PM on 08/02/2012
Wasn't hard at all. She was sitting in a nearby desk (BTW: This was in High School back in 1971)
Savannah5
Happiness and Peace
01:18 PM on 08/02/2012
I have moved several times since my divorce. I have my old friends that I e-mail, text, and write and call. My boyfriend has no family nearby so that does not help. I drive to my old state several times a month so I keep one friendship going.
It was fun when I flew in an old friend for a couple of days.
I belong to one group where I have made function friends.
I mostly miss my grandson, who I used to see everyday. I saw him recently twice while he visited his father up North.
It is tough, but I maintain these relationships to the best of my ability.
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Natalie Thomas
09:48 PM on 08/02/2012
I hear you, I miss my nephews like CRAZY. Good for you for maintaining though!
Savannah5
Happiness and Peace
08:50 AM on 08/03/2012
Thank you,Natalie.
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hb341
01:06 PM on 08/02/2012
" In LA, if you have to cross the 405, it's not happening."
Depends on which side of the 405 you're on.
The South Bay is Super Friendly for 20's - 30's IMHO.
Just saying...
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Natalie Thomas
09:48 PM on 08/02/2012
Good to know!
11:38 AM on 08/02/2012
I think making friends is much easier than meeting a mate. There has to be a very high degree of compatibility and a high degree of compromise involved when you are in a relationship than when you are friends with someone.

For a marriage, you have to like the person, be attracted to them, care deeply about them, get along with their family, have similar/compatible goals (whether to have kids or not, how many, etc.), the sex has to be good, you have to have common interests and activities you like doing together, be able to live in the same house as them and have similar standards of cleanliness, etc., be able to agree on the division of chores, etc.

For being friends, you have to like and care for that person, and maybe meet up sometime for dinner or coffee, and be able to hold a conversation.

So meeting a mate is much harder.
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Natalie Thomas
09:47 PM on 08/02/2012
Valid points. Thanks for sharing.
08:51 AM on 08/02/2012
Try getting divorced in your late 40's. All my friends are married with kids that are in every activity under the sun. I always tell my newly divorced friends, your friends will see you once or twice a year because they have a husband to do things with. It is very hard to meet new friends and can be very lonely. In the last few years more and more of my friends are getting divorced or widowed and they call me so I have buddies to do things with. I always say I rather have girlfriends than boyfriends because they tryly do stay with you.
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Natalie Thomas
09:47 PM on 08/02/2012
So true. Happy it's getting a bit easier--and friendlier--for you!
10:11 PM on 08/01/2012
Making friends in your twenties is definitely hard. I actually made some friends, but only through group dinners an outtings where my friends introduced me to other people. I always have to have a buddy with me. Going alone to places is like throwing me in a shark tank, i can't survive.
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lilierosa
imagination is more important than knowledge
03:30 PM on 08/02/2012
Start by going to the movies alone - all you're doing is staring at a screen anyway.
Pretty soon you'll be like me - traveling out of the country alone!
You cannot sit around and wait for your friends to do things with you. You'll miss out on a lot of things.
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Natalie Thomas
09:45 PM on 08/02/2012
Very true!!
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Natalie Thomas
09:45 PM on 08/02/2012
Understood but I think it is also important to be okay on your own, no?
06:29 PM on 08/01/2012
Another problem, at least up in Silicon Valley, is that people move a lot. Even if you do make friends at work or in the neighborhood, people move away from CA a lot. Its just too expensive here. If you want the same standard of living here you had in Raleigh, for ex, you have to ask for a 40% raise - 40% (you won't get it by the way). Few people really understand that when they move and they don't last that long. We lived in our old house for 6 years and there were 3 different owners next door in that time.
04:42 PM on 08/01/2012
If only LA were a little closer to SF I would also offer to be your friend.

Interestingly, when I moved to California from the Northeast I was constantly told how much friendlier everyone would be. It's been several years and I'm still looking for all those friendly people. It's not that CA is unfriendly - just not any more friendly than anywhere else and I've heard the same from other friends who have made transitions across the country.

Clubs, activities, meetups, etc. all sound like great ideas but I've done those. I've met some nice people but it's not the same as really being friends. For the most part people seem to want to segregate their lives. Once you become a *sports* (or whatever other activity) friend then that's where you are in their life and it's hard to make the move into a more general just friends that enjoy each others company.

Also, I don't really get comments like yellowdoggie's. You have a maximum number of friends and you've already hit that?
Savannah5
Happiness and Peace
01:27 PM on 08/02/2012
It is hard to make new friends when you move. I still rely on my old friends through modern technology.
In the one group I am in, I have function friends. When the group has functions, people talk to me, but there is nothing else.
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jwmeritt
04:21 PM on 08/02/2012
Give me a break. Both I and my wife were Air Force brats, and I went Navy. Until we were in the house I am in now, I've never been anywhere longer than 3 years my entire life. Didn't even stay on the same continent. Grow up. Well, not even that is necessary - I knew a lot of kids...
isisreptiles
Pro-choice, pro marriage equality
01:50 AM on 08/03/2012
I'm in CA and I've noticed at every age that people tend to segregate their lives. I've also noticed that established groups of friends usually aren't that eager to include a newcomer. Being an introvert and not one to make friends easily has made cultivating friendships that much more difficult.