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Friends or 'Menemies?'

Posted: 04/13/2012 11:28 am

When I was younger, my Dad used to tell me: "Boys don't want to be your friend." He then left the rest to my imagination.

At the time, I didn't agree. I thought: I can crack a good joke, I know how to shoot a hoop, and I'm a cheerful person (but not in an annoying way). What kind of boy wouldn't want to be around that kind of girl?

Turns out, my Dad was right. Not to be all "Samantha Brick" about it, but in my experience, single, heterosexual men aren't actively looking for an exclusively platonic relationship with a woman they find sexually attractive. This of course is not a revolutionary concept. In fact, it seems pretty natural to me.

Now, I will be the first to say that it is really and truly the most wonderful thing in the world if the attraction is mutual. But the Powers That Be seem to like to play these complicated little mating games with humans where the guy we want to re-enact scenes from 9½ Weeks with sees our attractiveness level as akin to that of a discarded dishcloth, and the most physical we could see ourselves being with the guy who actually likes us is a game of ping pong over an especially long table. All of which means that someone usually ends up getting rejected.

I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I have struggled with the scenario where I am not interested in a man romantically, but I want to keep him as a friend because he is funny and I enjoy his company, or he has shown himself to be that rare specimen known as "a nice, genuine person," or he simply doesn't mention his therapist in every other sentence.

Rather than string him along and give him hope, I feel compelled to somehow communicate to him sooner rather than later that we'll just be staying friends, nothing more. Otherwise, I think I am being unfair to him. Why should he waste his romantic stamina on me when there are loads of other single women out there who might fall instantly in love with him?

The thing is, it can sometimes be tricky to reject a man and keep him as a friend. If the operation is not executed carefully, you may end up creating a "menemy."

It requires a certain amount of skill to be able to turn down a man's sexual advances or romantic gestures and then get him to agree to meet you for blueberry pancakes the following weekend and chat about the latest Woody Allen film. Some men aren't satisfied with just that. I'm not clear why. What's so bad about friendship? Everyone needs buddies. But I've seen men react poorly or simply fall off the face of the earth. I get it -- their feelings are hurt. None of us likes getting rejected. But in my experience, some men find it especially soul-crushing.

I am only bringing all of this up because I recently had to go through this scenario again. I had spent some time cultivating a friendship with a man who, in my defense, I thought was gay. So I didn't see the harm in him buying me the occasional falafel, or accepting an invitation to see a film with him. Isn't that what friends are for? But a mutual friend shed light on his sexual orientation (straight) and suggested that his intentions -- and attentions -- weren't platonic. He had never "made the moves" but now it was all crystal clear -- that explains the way he had looked at me that time the tahini sauce dribbled down my chin!

Since he had clearly been too timid to express his feelings, I thought I would be clever this time and subtly mention the dates I had been going on, focusing on the one guy I was kind of keen on, so that he would know that I was "unavailable" for heavy petting and those sorts of activities, but that I was available for things like roller skating, falafel-eating and shooting the breeze. Doesn't that sound nice? That way, he would have known not to try to lean in for a kiss, and I wouldn't have to pull the Stevie Wonder dance and dodge him when he went for it. It was like pre-rejection, yet I was sparing his feelings because he didn't even have to put himself out there! I really thought I was being brilliant.

It backfired, of course. Said man ended up sending me an email rant accusing me of being insensitive by talking about other men when he had "feelings for me." As if I am psychic, by the way, just because I am a woman! How was I supposed to know that? I think in his mind we were dating. In my mind, he was my new gay BFF. In the end, I got mad at him for getting mad at me, and now the friendship has ended.

And I have created yet another "menemy."

Look, I have also tried the direct thing: "I really like you, but only as a friend," but you can only do that when the guy has made his intentions clear, and in my experience, they either cope okay (though rarely do I feel much enthusiasm for friendship after that), or they really don't cope well. I also tried the thing where you make them think they are rejecting you, but it gets quite confusing and only works if the guy isn't very sharp, and why would I -- or you -- be hanging out with someone not that sharp in the first place?

As we all remember, Billy Crystal's character says men and women can't be friends in When Harry Met Sally because the sex stuff gets in the way. I do have single, male, heterosexual friends with whom I have an easy, non-romantic rapport, but I honestly don't know if they would walk away if I was sprawled naked on a bed calling out to them. I may not be everybody's cup of tea, but sometimes, I wonder if they wonder. And they may wonder if I wonder. If so, I hope they'll keep it to themselves.

 

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03:18 AM on 05/28/2012
Of course men and women can be friends. Find someone unattractive who fervently shares the same interests as you. You wouldn't think of bedding him/her and he/she wouldn't think of standing a chance of bedding you.
02:00 PM on 05/17/2012
Part 2: So, for myself, I have decided to be straight forward about it. I'm with a woman because I'm interested in a sexual encounter. If she is not, I would like to know that right away, so I can move on. Women as friends interest me only under two circumstances: if I'm already in a satisfying relationship, or say in some sort of group situation. At various times in my life I have tried to convince some women who I had a special feeling for, that I was romantic material for them.... it is an utter waste of time, and I would NOT do that again. Women have a right to say no, and men have the right to move on to someone who will say yes. Last comment: it is said that a woman knows within the first 5 minutes of meeting a man if it will be sexual; I have found that to be true, so there's no point in trying to get water from a rock. Just my opinion.
02:00 PM on 05/17/2012
I can appreciate the sincerity of your post, but you seem to be ignoring the whole psychological power structure between men and women. First, women, a lot of women, have been brought up to believe that sex is a special gift that they give to a man; BUT, they have no sexual desire of their own, because that would make them a bad girl. The practical result of this has been to: give women the power of yes or no without taking any responsibility for their own motives; be in control of the level of the relationship. As a man, I have found that acquiescing to this is a no win situation. If you do give in to this arraignment, a woman who might have been interested in you if you had taken control now finds you a wimp. If you do "put the moves on", and you misread the signals, you are the prototypical "bad man".
10:41 PM on 04/20/2012
we never find a good friend in the other world
09:28 PM on 04/19/2012
I have met the opposite situation that girls refuse to be close with guys like me even though I think we are just friends. I wish I could find such pure friendship with some ladies, but I have just found none so close so far. Guys are much closer with me.
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03:25 PM on 04/19/2012
Either the author's life is filled with sophomoric, low-self-esteem-having men, or she's looking at things from a very skewed vantage point. Men and women can have platonic relationships. I don't have a single ugly female friend, and yet I have no designs on bedding any of them. Now you can't 'friend-zone' somebody in lieu of rejection and expect to remain friends forever. I think your assessment depends on the intent of the original approach more than men's 'natural proclivities.' If the guy is looking for a jumpoff, hookup, lover, relationship or some other coupled pairing from day, then of course being friends is going to be a disappointment, and eventually ruin the relationship. If we're looking for a friend in the first place, then a friend is usually what we'll find.
09:49 PM on 04/18/2012
Just accept it as a given - the whole "can't we just be friends" is completely alien to most men. It makes about as much sense as "can't we just spit in rainbow colors" - nope we can't. When I was in graduate school, I had a female "friend" but this was only because she made it very clear she had just gotten out of a bad relationship and didn't want ANY kind of romantic relationship. There were 2 or 3 other guys around in exactly the same position as me (yeah, she had a lot of personality). We all got other girlfriends who not so subtly suggested we drop her like a hot rock, which we all did. She was crushed. Its not just men who don't like female friends hanging around. This shows to me that women understand the truth of the whole "friend" thing better than they let on.
01:15 PM on 04/18/2012
Wow, this has some humor, I like it! Even if you did sprawl naked on a bed calling them out and they did come over to you may not mean that they want a relationship with you. Many Guys can separate emotions from sex very easily. I have learned that Many Guys don't want to just be your friend by hanging out with you but I've also learned that there are some heterosexual Guys who have ruled us out as a Girlfriend (for what ever reason) and have remained just platonic friends. I know this Guy who said to a Female he's known for years, "If I didn't know you, I'd date you lol" I say to the Author of this is to get more Female friends and if you are sensing a Guy is hanging around you much, be honest about the friendship but you never know, you just may end up liking him more than a friend too.
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11:42 AM on 04/18/2012
Note to be printed out and pasted inside your glasses. If you are a woman in a developing (not yet developed) friend relationship with a man, and you feel compelled to talk about your boyfriends or other men you find attractive, DON'T.
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11:58 PM on 04/17/2012
Sometimes people do know the other person is not attracted to them, but they hang out hoping it will change. So it looks like they are being a friend, but try mentioning someone you are attracted to in front of them... and you find out they are not just a friend. That is the complication. People know. They've been told and they don't really accept that as true.
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jf12
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08:35 AM on 04/18/2012
It might help the situation to be more stable if women were more, you know, stable in their affections.
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Michaela19801
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01:35 AM on 04/19/2012
If someone is not physically attracted to you and you know that.. why would it be HER affections that are the problem? She doesn't have those affections for you.
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11:25 PM on 04/17/2012
Common scenario from a woman's perspective: When a man rejects a woman he's known on friendly-terms cuz she won't get romantically involved, it often hurts her emotionally at the core (as deep at the core that a man's ego is). She will have already begun to care about him genuinely as a friend and views him as such, but his rejection is a slap in the face. He's basically telling her he "never liked her as a friend to begin with," that the whole time they spent, talking, laughing, supporting each other's morale—wasn't worth anything, that it was a big lie. His rejection also tells her he thinks she's not worth anything more than a sex-partner—a true insult and attack on the psyche/morale of a woman. Her emotional state feels confused, duped and she begins mourning the loss of a friendship she swore existed, but begins to question her judgment, trusting men less for a while. If it happens over and over with different guys, her trust diminishes exponentially in men.
05:53 PM on 04/17/2012
I've seen some comments that say something like "if they can't accept that, they weren't your friend to begin with". I have, as a guy, been in the opposite situation before, where a girl, who was friends with all my guy friends, and was friends with me, told me she had feelings for me. At the time, I said that I wanted to stay just friends with her because I didn't want to lose the friendship we had, but she didn't take that well.
Does that mean she "wasn't my friend to begin with"? No. She was, and still is one of my good friends, but that doesn't mean we haven't had awkward moments over the last few years because of it.
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09:14 PM on 04/17/2012
That's very fortunate she didn't get all bent out of shape about it, blow you off...and didnt become a "FEMemy". I wish more guys had that kind of grace when being rejected romantically, but not as friends.
05:45 PM on 04/17/2012
One of my favourite Family Guy quotes:
Stewie: "Women, Brian...what a royal pain in the ass. It's like, it's like, why can't you just hang out with guys, you know? Just live with someone of your own sex. Just do what you would do with women, but with your buddy, you know? Why don't guys just do that?"
Brian: "They do, it's called being gay."
Stewie: "Oh, that's what gay is? Oh yeah, I could totally get into that."
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04:43 PM on 04/17/2012
IMHO, one thing that is important to bear in mind is whether the fella has sisters who are close in age to him. As I had a close relationship growing up with my sister, I feel comfortable having platonic relationships with females. That said, if I were a woman and had concerns about inadvertently leading a man on, I might casually mention what my "type" was, so that he could get the hint that he isn't my type (e.g., if the male friend looked like and acted like Woody Allen, I would casually mention a few times that George Clooney or Dack Rambo were my "type").
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jf12
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08:38 AM on 04/18/2012
It is just a coincidence that the Clooney types are never hinted at that if only they were Woodly Allen types ...
04:15 PM on 04/17/2012
"How was I supposed to know that?"

Because in the previous paragraph you told us that you knew that. Ugh.