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Should We Dumb Ourselves Down?

Posted: 05/21/2012 1:44 pm

I was responding to the ol' "what do you do for a living?" question the other night at some soiree when I stopped myself mid-sentence. It wasn't the crab puff lodged in my throat that made me come to a grinding halt. It was my dependable little friend, intuition. I sometimes ignore her, but she was trying to tell me that I was making the gentleman across from me feel peon-like by listing how many places I had been to in the last four years.

Maybe I got a bit carried away, but I can't help it. I think I have an interesting job and people usually want to know about it. In fact, there was another woman in our circle who kept peppering me with questions about what it is like being an emergency aid worker. "It's like being in a James Bond movie," I said, jokingly. But I do get to travel to places like Swat Valley, ride on helicopters and sleep in tents, so people are naturally a bit curious.

But during this part of the conversation, the guy seemed to sort of shrivel and stand uncomfortably. I can take a hint, so I switched the subject of the conversation to him. What did he do? "I'm a web programmer," he replied in a thick French accent. I don't really know what that means, but I'm sure it's an equally important job. Not wanting to perpetuate his insecurity, or whatever it was, I asked him as many questions as I could think of about his work to display my keen interest. After all, I do use the web a lot, yet I don't really feel like I understand the beast. E.g., Who really "owns" the Internet? How come when I Google myself my website doesn't show up? Is it possible for someone to find out how many times I have checked his Facebook profile?

He replied in a smug, acrimonious way. To make friends, I even considered telling him I had always wished I was a French person, specifically a sexy French woman who was able to tie one of those little Hermes scarves properly around her neck like Brigitte Bardot, but then I decided he wasn't nice enough to be privy to my little fantasy.

These days, however, I rarely ask a man what he does for a living at the very start of the conversation because it sounds so gold-diggerish, especially in New York. But you can only tiptoe around the subject for so long before you run out of things to say. You can only comment on the weather once per conversation, for example, unless you're in England. Then maybe twice. But at some point, you will likely talk about what you do all day long. And your job is likely what you spend most of your time doing (unless, of course, you don't have a job).

In fact, I tried the simple yet direct "are you employed?" question the other day with a man who came up to me at a restaurant. I asked it as kind of a joke, only after we had dodged the what do you do for a living question long enough. Besides, he had invited me to do something in the middle of the day on Wednesday, when most people are working. He laughed and said yes. We then started talking about our jobs, but I noticed some hesitancy on my part, as if I subconsciously wanted to downplay what I do for a living. Perhaps it was my experience the other night which made me feel that some men are intimidated by a woman's success or ambition.

So let me now throw out a contentious question: Should women be dumbing themselves down?

The instinctive answer is: of course not. Who would want to be with a man who didn't want to be with an intelligent woman? Who didn't want his life partner to be actively pursuing her full potential?

Yet it was my great aunt who first got this idea into my head. It was years ago, but I've been thinking about it lately. When I was getting ready to go to graduate school, she said: "Well. You have chosen a career over having a family." I gasped. "No, I haven't -- we can have both! We can have it all!" Of course, she was from an older generation, but she did manage to impart the following bit of advice: "Never let a man know you're smarter than him. He won't want to marry you."

I never followed that advice, and I am not married. But then again, that's probably because I've been too busy and haven't really found anyone I want to marry, not because I blew every man in my midst away with my searing intellect (note: sarcasm).

Thing is, as much as I hear men say they want a smart woman with a career, sometimes I wonder how much they really do. Do they really? I hope they do, but sometimes I feel they'd rather have a sweet, ginger-haired woman who makes Rice Krispie treats and has modest career aspirations, if any.

I guess some men still want to see themselves as the breadwinner and may feel uncomfortable being in the shadow of woman who has made greater career strides, or who would outshine him at a dinner party. What is it they say about man and his ego? Self-importance is man's greatest enemy?

If we flipped the old adage to: behind every great woman, there is a man, I wonder how the 21st century man would feel. Would he be a proud admirer and promoter of his lady's accomplishments or would he stew in bitter discontent? Yet clearly, a man who is intimidated by a smart woman is the wrong kind of man. Isn't it all about "power couples" these days, anyway?

The best life partner is obviously the one who will encourage you to do your best, be your best, bring out your best in you and tell you to reach for the stars. He will also forgive you and love you even more if, on an extremely rare occasion, you do end up asking something dumb like: "How does a carburetor work?"

Because of course, you already know.

 

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I was responding to the ol' "what do you do for a living?" question the other night at some soiree when I stopped myself mid-sentence. It wasn't the crab puff lodged in my throat that made me come to ...
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10:21 AM on 06/01/2012
Men don't want intellectual, strong-willed women. My brother always says he wants my niece to be just like his sisters, smart strong, blah blah blah. But the women he dates are never like his sisters.... coincidence, I think not!
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Peter South
07:34 AM on 06/12/2012
Why would we? You have to look at it from our point of view.

No man wants to come home to a person like that where you can never have peace in his home.

Always arguing, fighting, debating until they break us because they have the upper hand in the courts. We want to relax and enjoy life after work.

Increasingly the best way to do that is to not take a wife.
08:55 AM on 05/29/2012
I'm college-educated, in the military and would consider myself successful. I've been introducing myself as either a flight attendant or a dental hygienist for years. As one of those two stereotypical "female" characters, I certainly get more interest from the opposite sex than when I tell them what I really do for a living!
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11:35 AM on 05/28/2012
Don't. Do. It.
06:32 PM on 05/27/2012
I laughed when I read that she was trying to impress a French man. No matter how superior you may be to him, he will still sneer.
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keezze
05:45 PM on 05/27/2012
To the over 40 woman that still wants a baby or babies, I ask why? I will also ask if you dont have one by now why not? Maybe its just not meant to be. After all the planet has so many billions of people allready so its not like you need to keep humanity going. Babies are not like trophys or goals to achieve just for the hell of it. The best babys are the ones loved by their fathers, could it be that you cant find the main ingrediant it takes to forfill your so called dream?
05:38 PM on 05/27/2012
I once worked with a tall, very smart, beautiful young woman who just wanted a hubby and family. She got neither. WHY? She was smart, beautiful and tall! Seems like all the guys she went with felt insecure.....
05:24 PM on 05/27/2012
It is so ironic you posted this article when I had the same situation happen to me on my dates last week. Once it comes around in the conversation what I do for a living and I answer that I have been serving my country in the US Army for 20+years, everything changes. I never get a second date. Seriously, why would I want to dumb that down? I have recently been having first dates with men not in the military or have ever served. I don't hold that against them. I want to find a man that love me for what I am, not my job. They immediately get turned off when conversations gear towards travels and fortunately for me, I have traveled all over the world. Why should I feel bad about that? Yes, I am an independent woman and can take care of myself but I want a man to make me feel safe and protected. There are plenty of things I don't know how to do and a lifetime to learn. I am tired of doing it by myself. It all feels like this stupid high school game that at my age (39 yrs) I should be playing anymore.
01:14 AM on 05/28/2012
Hey Sister! I find myself in the same situation; similar demographics but I'm 42. Why should I not be proud of all I've done on my own? Why should I have to work as hard with a man as without? Men find the Army either a threat (I know too many men) or a treat (I have great benefits). High school wasn't this complicated!
11:40 AM on 05/28/2012
Thank you for not making me feel that I am not alone. Some of them refuse to realize that we now can bring home the bacon and sometimes more than them. We can share that role. We are in a new century. We women are more educated and have experienced so much in life hard knocks and learned what it takes to have a better life for our selves and our families. I don't throw my military career in their faces. It is not my intention if they somehow feel not manly enough because I worked hard to be an equal in what used to be a man's world. I don't care about that. I am simply a woman that wants to be loved, cared for and protected without having to lose who I am. I would reciprocate the same to him.
01:26 AM on 05/27/2012
Another subtle "man-up" article, obvious from the rhetorical question posed by the title. Expect more men to go their own way, content and satisfied to be owned by no one. We have you to thank.
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GDWhiteman
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01:27 PM on 05/26/2012
Dumb yourselves down? So it will help you catch an insecure man? (ask any women who caught one how much of a prize that is) Please, NO! I think intelligent, assertive women as hotter than hot. The truth is, no matter how good the sex is, sooner or later, you're going to end up in a conversation. That's when you discover whether you're thrilled to be with that partner or looking for a graceful way to run for your life.
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MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
09:39 AM on 05/26/2012
I think this a very comfortable reason for rejection to focus on...as opposed to the real ones.
01:30 PM on 05/25/2012
watch it... hair jokes and dissing the culinary arts tend to make one look a little dim. we women must stick together no matter the individual lifestyle preference may be.
12:10 PM on 05/25/2012
Wow. a bunch of the comments are harsh. From the article it doesn't (mostly) sound like the author's is contemplating adding "umm, like, can you like help me with this? phones, like, confuse me... *twirl hair*" but more contemplating downplaying. I do that. I've learned recently that it's best to just not talk about myself or anything I do very much in depth when meeting new people. If people ask me questions I'll answer but I'm not going to go up to someone and "Nice to meet you, do you want to hear a list of my accomplishments?" and the author doesn't say she has an intellectually difficult job. She says she has an interesting job though - and I think that's where people get uncomfortable or insecure. "wow, this lady is so well-traveled and has such an exciting life! She speaks how many languages!? gosh, I just work in a cubicle."

--written from a cubicle that doesn't even have a decorative calendar in it..
07:19 AM on 05/25/2012
If you bunched any other group together like this it would be called "profiling". Just act naturally and maybe you can match up with someone you like.
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bluespagan
Love is the Law, Love under Will
09:40 AM on 05/24/2012
Men who feel that a woman should not be smarter or better than he is has only one feeling, threatened. I think there was a great post on here about how men who hide behind religion to control men do so because women threaten them simply by existing. I completely agree. A man who feels that I can't be better at some things than him or more intelligent in some areas doesn't deserve to be with me.
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Peter South
08:16 AM on 05/27/2012
I can't speak for every other man on the planet but not all guys find that kind of job very interesting.

Personally I hate traveling and would get bored if you talked about a job that involved traveling to other countries, sleeping in a tent and helping people. I'm sure most women would find that absolutely riveting but remember men are not women and are not necessarily impressed by your status or how many times you've been on a plane.

Also being a web developer those were questions I would find tedious to answer. I don't like trying to explain technical issues to laypeople, I do that at work and I hate it.

Perhaps try to talk about neutral things like the place you're in, current events, jokes. Keep it light and universal in other words. If you ask questions about the person's job it should be non-technical questions and definitely don't say "oh great, I need someone to fix my laptop".
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bluespagan
Love is the Law, Love under Will
08:30 AM on 05/27/2012
I wasn't taking note of the job. I was simply noting that if a man feels like a woman should dumb herself down in order to relate to her then that is not a man I would want (but I am married so no worries for me).
In other words, if you and I (hypothetically) were to meet and I started talking current events and I asked you how you think that current regulations on GMO's may affect the populations view on our Presidential candidates and you gave me a blank stare I would simply move on instead of turning my attention to the current events topic of celebrities.
02:01 AM on 05/24/2012
Should women be dumbing themselves down? What does "should" mean in this context?

(ps: Men have complained of exactly the same thing. Maybe it's not a gendered thing?)
10:13 AM on 05/26/2012
yeah, i'm sure men put up with so much pressure to make themselves look dumber, poorer, less accomplished, etc. as a way to find a partner, because women are threatened by these things.

my goodness, the ability of males to delude themselves knows no bounds.
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giftsthatpurr
zestful life
01:15 PM on 05/26/2012
LOL - - fanned
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jf12
When I saw her I marveled greatly.
11:38 AM on 05/28/2012
Intelligent men get less sex because of their intelligence - they are turned down more often by more women, for example.