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Nathan Gardels

Nathan Gardels

Posted: March 18, 2010 11:39 AM

Brzezinski: Israeli Expansion of Settlements Is Against U.S. National Interest

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The recent announcement by Israel that it will expand settlements in East Jerusalem may be the straw that breaks the impasse in the Middle East. It appears to be igniting yet another intifada, fueling anti-Americanism across the Middle East and countering President Obama's whole effort to reconcile with the Muslim world.

Israel and America are hardly about to part ways, but the government of Benjamin Netanyahu has now pitted the interests of his right wing political coalition against US national interests. How can the Obama White House stand for that? I spoke about these issue with Zbigniew Brzezinski, one of America's most prominent strategic thinkers, who was national security adviser to U.S. President Jimmy Carter.

Nathan Gardels: Let's go back to basics. It is clear that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict stands at the center of what motivates so much terrorism against the United States. In this context, the Netanyahu government's insistence on expanding settlements -- despite President Obama's high-profile promise to stop them in his Cairo speech -- does more than undermine U.S. credibility. Isn't it, fundamentally, against U.S. strategic interests?

If the U.S. backs down in its demand, fueling the "third intifada" now under way in the Palestinian territories, won't that be a gift to the terrorist recruiters as well as to Iran's regime, thus further threatening U.S. interests in the whole Middle East?

Zbigniew Brzezinski: Absolutely. It threatens the lives of American soldiers stationed in the Middle East and fighting in Afghanistan because it intensifies support for Muslim extremism.

Gardels: Because such an intifada threatens U.S. strategic interests -- and thus deepens the rift between U.S. and Israel -- doesn't that harm Israel as well?

Brzezinski: Ehud Barak, Netanyahu's defense minister and former prime minister, said it better (on Jan. 26) than I can: Unless there is a two-state solution, "any other situation -- and not an Iranian bomb or any other external threat -- is the most serious threat to Israel's future."

Yet a two-state solution becomes impossible as the settlements proliferate on the West Bank and in East Jerusalem.

Barak also said (on Feb. 2) that if there is no two-state solution Israel "is going to be either non-Jewish, or non-democratic. If this bloc of millions of Palestinians cannot vote, that will be an apartheid state."

Gardels: As the Israeli newspaper Haaretz editorialized earlier this week: "Israel is not America's strategic asset, but America is the source of Israel's strength, and it is essential to rein in the lunacy that threatens to shatter the link between the two countries. . . . The government headed by Netanyahu is now emerging as a strategic threat [to Israel]."

Brzezinski: I agree with Haaretz. And that is why the issue is not between America and Israel but between America and an extreme right-wing government in Israel whose prime minister proclaims that he accepts a two-state solution while striving to make it impossible to achieve.

Gardels: What should the Israelis do?

Brzezinski: Israel needs a government of national unity, and not one beholden to the extreme right. It is as if Hamas dominated the Palestinian side.

Gardels: What is the role of the Quartet group -- Europe, Russia, the UN and the U.S. -- meeting in Moscow (March 19), in moving forward?

Brzezinski: The Quartet should put on the table what the entire international community would endorse: the basic outlines of a peace of reconciliation, the only kind of peace likely to endure.

The principles of any movement toward reconciliation are clear: no right of return for Palestinians; two capitals in East and West Jerusalem; return to the 1967 lines with one-to-one swaps of territories in adjusting those lines; a demilitarized Palestinian state with either U.S. or NATO forces on the Jordan River to guarantee Israel's strategic security.

(c) 2010 GLOBAL VIEWPOINT NETWORK/TRIBUNE MEDIA SERVICES

 
 
 
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Ira7
01:29 PM on 03/19/2010
"Nathan Gardels: Let's go back to basics. It is clear that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict stands at the center of what motivates so much terrorism against the United States."

Really?

Actually, it's total nonsense.
03:47 PM on 03/20/2010
You know more that our Generals who are in charge of protecting our troops.
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Json
Cynical dreamer, sarcastic idealist...
04:43 PM on 03/22/2010
Can you quote a single general who has said that?
11:40 AM on 03/19/2010
The right wing is a sliver of the population in Israel and the United States and they are a profoundly paranoid group. They single handedly destroyed the peace process and set us back 30 years. I'm not saying that Palestinians are blameless they have their own right wing factions but, we have to ignore this section of society that will never stand for peace and make us all unsafe.
03:56 PM on 03/20/2010
Yes I agree with you 100% the majority of Israelis are wonderful descent people it is the religious fanatics that are destroying the possibility of peace. We see them posting here they believe that collective punishment and taking more land will make Palestinians give up.
The first law of occupation is the more cruel you are the sooner you loose.
05:45 AM on 03/19/2010
Good article and very true. Muslim extremism is fueled by these typesof actions. But even beyond the ME, I think that the US will improve its standing with the world by standing up to the bullies in Israel.
03:14 AM on 03/19/2010
Dr. Brzezinski is 100% correct, of course. The question is how to get the ultra conservative government to accept what he's saying. We'll see what happens, but I'm near beginning to think that the US is going to need to introduce some strong disincentives for Israel's continued settlements. The current Israeli policy is hurting the US, hurting Israel, and inciting Muslim extremists to take violent actions. I wish more Americans realized this instead of buying the old "they hate for our freedom" line.
07:07 AM on 03/19/2010
They hate us because we are not Muslim.
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Michael Valentine
Retired SEIU Member
11:32 AM on 03/19/2010
They hate us because we stand behind Israeli bullies.
06:26 PM on 03/19/2010
haha! nice one...wait, you're not joking?
10:41 PM on 03/18/2010
I never understand the part where Palestine has to be demilitarized while Israel gets to have all of the weapons they can get . How is that letting the Palestinians have a sovereign country of their own ? It is no wonder the Palestinians will not agree to these peace plans that keep them under the Israeli's thumb.
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zbowling
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04:21 AM on 03/19/2010
Exactly. And no right of return for ejected palestinians while Israel imports every single jewish person they can coerce to move there, paying $10,000 per family to start.

And 30,000 families in Iran are unwilling to move to Israel.
11:29 PM on 03/19/2010
No sovereignty for Palestine, nor right of return mean no settlement. The U. S. and the rest of the world which follows the Israeli line that a settlement can only come about through negotiations are buying into Israel's conditional requirement, i.e., negotiations between the parties as the only vehicle to bring about settlement. This acquiescence to Israeli demand for negotiation between the parties means only one thing. Israel can drag its feet, and Israel does not thereunder have to give back things of real substance. This Israeli requirement is ridiculous, and will produce nothing. Israel was created, in effect, by fiat, and likewise a Palestine state will have to be declared by the PA, at least to the '67 lines, no less, for a settlement. The proposition that negotiations between the parties are required is fallacious, because Israel was not created by negotiations with anyone. Let's get it over with: have the Palestinians declare themselves a state, at the United Nations, in all of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem; the U. S. can be the first to recognize the Palestinian state; rest of the world will follow, and whatever negotiations with Israel to cease and decist its occupation can be in the form of boycotts, embargoes, blockades and other sanctions imposed by the entire world community. This is the only way to resolve the situation which involves the rogue nation. And while we're at it, Israel can be required to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.
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JustMeInNY
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11:16 AM on 03/19/2010
Palestinians have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they can not be trusted with weapons, perhaps that's why even their own supporters wont agree to a militarized Palestine. So tough noogies.
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Michael Valentine
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11:34 AM on 03/19/2010
So your saying we shouldn't give Israel any more military support either?
01:54 AM on 03/20/2010
this is the person that compared Palestinians to Rats.
06:21 PM on 03/18/2010
Dr. Brzezinski, whose brilliance is beyond superlative, should find some way to tatoo the headline
of this article on the mind of Sarah Palin. Palin, in her end-times pseudo-religion, supports
expansionism because "Jews are gonna be flockin' to Israel in the weeks and months to
come," and therefore will be of need of new housing.
06:34 PM on 03/19/2010
I've been paying attention for many yrs., with Palin's "flocking" remark being one of the most remarkable I have ever heard for its lack of everything necessary to understand the complexities of Palestine. I almost feel sorry for anyone who considers this woman an ally.
05:41 PM on 03/18/2010
Firstly, Gardel's interviewing methods are a joke. Talk about leading questions!! He, and Brez are both blind if they think Islamic extremism is centered on the existence of Israel. Israel is but a starting point. Islamic extremism would flourish, as it does in the Phillipines, and Indonesia, and elsewhere, even if Israel had never existed.

Settlements are not illegal. They break no law. It is not written anywhere that Jews cannot live in this or that place, simply because they are Jews. If the Palestinians agree to a peace treaty and accept the historic right of a Jewish state to exist in peace and security (something they refuse to do), then the question of settlements will be resolved, just as it was with Egypt. If after that, Israel insists on keeping land that was agreed in a peace treaty to belong to (for now, non-existent) Palestine, that would be illegal.

Someone still needs to explain why a two-state solution requires that eastern Jerusalem be placed in Arab hands? Why can a hoped-for Arab Palestine not exist without Jerusalem?
10:43 PM on 03/18/2010
You need to read the Geneva conventions which explicitly states that Israeli civilians cannot settle in occupied lands . The Israeli's signed the Geneva conventions and are therefor obligated to following the rules.
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Jay-DC
01:29 AM on 03/19/2010
International Law doesn't apply to people who "answer to a higher authority"
06:05 PM on 03/19/2010
You are incorrect. The GC state that an "occupying state cannot FORCIBLY TRANSFER parts of its population into occupied territory."

Israel never forcibly transferred Jews. And there is NO LAW that states that Jews, and only Jews, cannot live in one place or another.
06:36 AM on 03/19/2010
wbmd - oh dear - an opposing view to yours - and what do you start with......trying to shoot the messenger.
Fair minded people - increasing in numbers by the way - don't like the Israeli Govt's intentionally provocative policies re Jerusalem and the Palestinians.
And all the pro zionists can do is peddle the same old rhetoric, the currency of which, is plummeting. the pro zionists think that shouting ever louder repettively will somehow have an affect but people aren't that stupid.
02:51 PM on 03/18/2010
Berzhinski is only half-blind, which is better than the Congressional Jewish Caucus which is purblind!

How about a settlement along these lines? (1) Israel returns to the 1948 borders to reflect the fact that that is how the U.N. partitioned Palestine in the first place. Every square inch occupied by Israel beyond that is stolen. (2) Israel is immediately disarmed, along with Palestine, and the two co-exist in a demilitarized, nuclear-free zone with territorial integrity guaranteed by international treaty. (3) Reparations be paid by Israel to Palestine for the occupation and mis-use of Palestine land over the last 62 years. (4) War-crimes tribunals be instituted to examine the behavior of both Israeli and Palestinian armed forces since the partition, with prosecution and punishment meted out to the guilty.

What Brezhinski is proposing is plainly anti-Arab and pro-Israeli and reflects his Western frame of reference.
JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
04:29 PM on 03/18/2010
48 borders went by the boards in the war of 48. #2 is a non-starter. #3 only has a shot as part of a negotiated settlement, and won't be called reparations becuase Isreal is certainly not going to accept war guilt for wars it did not start, and likely wont be paid by Israel. #4 will provide incentive for neiher to agree.

Try to be part of the solution.
12:01 AM on 03/19/2010
You know, I disagree with most everything you said, but I commend your use of "purblind". That alone made your post wirth reading.
01:05 PM on 03/18/2010
Settlements are not the issue and never have been---maybe a distraction and an opportunity to condemn Israel, but they are hardly the issue that is stopping peace. Israel removed all settlements in the Sinai to get the peace treaty in place and they unilaterally removed all settlements from Sinai in exchange for more Palestinian terror. In 2000 the Barak government (with the help of the Clinton administration) made a half dozen offers to share E. Jerusalem, withdraw form 99% of the West Bank and pay the Palestinians millions in economic aid. The Palestinian response was no and to launch an illegal war. In 2006 the Israelis again offered even more generous terms for a peace treaty, and again the Palestinians refused it. Just remember, the Palestinian position is they cannot agree to any treaty that allows Israel to continue as a Jewish state. Period. Their hate (along with their Arab neighbors) will not allow it. Just ask yourself, what are the terms the Palestinians will agree to?
02:11 PM on 03/18/2010
Withdrawing settlers and putting the civilian population of Gaza into an outdoor prison certainly doesn't do anything to help the peace prospects did it?
JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
04:32 PM on 03/18/2010
Gaza seems to be located exactly where its always been located. It wasn't put anywhere. Moreover, the blockade could easily be lifted if Hamas agreed to peace.

Why won't Hamas agree to peace?

Google "Hamas Charter".

(Check out the bit in there about the trees grassing out the Jews, except for the Jewish tree, of course. *Seriously*, its in there.)
05:44 PM on 03/18/2010
If withdrawing settlers does not satisfy the Palestinians, or you, their supporters, what will? (Other than the suicide of the Jewish state, that is.)

And the embargo of Gaza is a sole and direct result of the rockets that have been coming from there since 2001, and the attempts by the people and elected government of Gaza to exterminate the Jewish state. There were no restrictions before the intifadas started.
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02:19 PM on 03/18/2010
The settlements represent the theft of Palestinian land in violation of International law. They are designed to make it impossible to create a viable Palestinian state. They are the biggest obstacle to peace in the Middle East. Israel has never made a generous offer of settlement to the Palestinians. Barak's offer was only Marginally less unfair. Every other offer has been a bad joke and insult.

As more and more military and diplomatic experts weigh in, it is clear that the settlements are refusal to stand up to Israeli aggression are a danger to U.S. interest and the safety of both our military and our civilian populations.
02:11 PM on 03/20/2010
The Palestinians have had several opportunities and have chosen not to take advantage of any of them. (By the way, that goes back several HUNDRED YEARS) The Jordanians, Egyptians and Lebanese have seen what a delightful presence they are and do not want them either. When they start down a reasonable path the will find a state is waiting for them there. Perhaps Fayyad will lead them there. Hamas certainly will not.
11:54 AM on 03/18/2010
As many experts can say what they want. The US will do nothing to stop Israel's illegal actions. We've seen this show before.
JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
04:30 PM on 03/18/2010
What can be done to stiop the Palestinians' illegal actions?
10:46 PM on 03/18/2010
Remember that the Palestinians land is occupied and according to everyones laws they have a right to fight against an occupation .
05:49 PM on 03/18/2010
Under what specific law is Israel's action "illegal"?
07:16 PM on 03/18/2010
Article 49, 4th Geneva Convention states, "The occupying power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own population into the territories it occupies."

The Geneva Conventions were accepted as international law by the United Nations in 1993. Israel may not consider itself obligated to follow international law but we do.