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Hansen Had It Right in 1981 Climate Report

Posted: 04/27/2012 11:01 am

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A recently rediscovered 1981 paper, written by NASA atmospheric physicist James Hansen and others, has been analyzed and found to be impressively accurate about the course of climate change since its publication.

The 10-page paper (available at this link), which was published in the journal Science, had been overlooked for decades when researchers Geert Jan van Oldenborgh and Rein Haarsma from the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute uncovered it and began scouring its contents.

The paper's impressive prognostication is the best kind of vindication for Hansen, who has suffered more than his share of the slings and arrows from climate deniers in the media, such as Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and Andrew Breitbart. He's also taken hits from "climate confusionist" Physicist Freeman Dyson, and has charged that the Bush administration tried to silence his warnings about global warming's urgency.

Deniers of climate change often look for boogeymen in their attempts to disprove the phenomenon's existence. As a means of putting a face on the "global warming hoax," an individual is often singled out for attack. In his new book, The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars, scientist Michael E. Mann calls this technique the Serengeti Strategy, since the technique is akin to lions singling out vulnerable prey from a herd.

The links below provide current information about of of the paper's projections:


The complex world of climate science rarely enjoys such clear and simple validation. When such an opportunity presents itself, we owe it to ourselves to make some noise about it. Haarsma and van Oldenborgh's findings should be shouted from the rooftops.

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Midnight Toker
07:24 AM on 05/02/2012
funny toon there neil:

water water everywhere..

then somehow drought
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Midnight Toker
07:21 AM on 05/02/2012
New technique suggests Medieval Warm Period made it to Antarctica
May 1st, 2012 in Space & Earth / Earth Sciences
Scientists have developed a new method of reconstructing past climates that uses the water locked inside crystals in seabed sediment to shed light on the history of the Antarctic.
The technique's first results suggest that recent climate fluctuations for which there's never been much evidence outside the northern hemisphere may have affected more of the globe.
Much more research is needed, but the implication is that the unusually warm and cold periods known as the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) and Little Ice Age (LIA) were felt as far south as the Antarctic Peninsula. If this turns out to be true, scientists' understanding of how the global climate has changed over the last few hundred years may need to be revised.
http://phys.org/print255068850.html
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Midnight Toker
08:40 AM on 05/01/2012
ebb..

and flow:

Ancient network of rivers and lakes found in Arabian Desert
May 1st, 2012 in Other Sciences / Archaeology & Fossils
(Phys.org) -- Satellite images have revealed that a network of ancient rivers once coursed their way through the sand of the Arabian Desert, leading scientists to believe that the region experienced wetter periods in the past.
http://phys.org/print255063185.html
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Midnight Toker
08:29 AM on 05/01/2012
did Moynihan get this from Hansen?
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Moynihan, as Nixon aide, warned of global warming

YORBA LINDA, Calif. — Documents released Friday by the Nixon Presidential Library show members of President Richard Nixon's inner circle discussing the possibilities of global warming more than 30 years ago.

Adviser Daniel Patrick Moynihan, notable as a Democrat in the administration, urged the administration to initiate a worldwide system of monitoring carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, decades before the issue of global warming came to the public's attention.

There is widespread agreement that carbon dioxide content will rise 25 percent by 2000, Moynihan wrote in a September 1969 memo.

"This could increase the average temperature near the earth's surface by 7 degrees Fahrenheit," he wrote. "This in turn could raise the level of the sea by 10 feet. Goodbye New York. Goodbye Washington, for that matter."
05:06 PM on 04/30/2012
It's strange that James Hansen spent the early part of his career predicting global warming. And now he spends the later part of his career monkeying with all the temperature data to make it look like his predictions came true.
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08:14 AM on 05/01/2012
Now just stop it.

The warmists are not interested in the truth, so just stop it!
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
10:06 PM on 05/01/2012
Such drama.
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Neil Wagner
08:29 AM on 05/01/2012
A) Do you believe Hansen is the only one validating his earlier work? How do you explain Haarsma and van Oldenborgh's independent assessment (and that of Icarus62 below)? And all the others, for that matter?

B) If your premise were true, why would you call Hansen's alleged monkeying strange? Wouldn't it make sense that he's trying to look like his work was accurate?
05:30 PM on 05/01/2012
Neil, It's called urban heat effect. It causes bad data in temperature stations. When a real scientist finds their data is flawed, they throw it out. Not James Hansen, he relies on it to show warming.

If you want an accurate look at the earth's surface temperature, you would only use the most pristine rural station data. And what does that data show? No warming.

Here is a link to a sudy compiled by a retired NASA physicist, comparing urban and rural temperature data. http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/Rate_of_Temp_Change_Raw_and_Adjusted_NCDC_Data.pdf
BlackbirdHighway
Brawndo's got electrolites!
10:18 AM on 04/30/2012
In the interests of fairness we should recognize the accurate predictions from the other side. If anyone can find some of those.

I recall Joe Bastardi predicting a massive cooling of the global climate but so far that hasn't panned out. Maybe if we wait about 10,000 years.
ubrew12
that crazy uncle from Amarcord
11:04 PM on 05/01/2012
Here's a good one:
In 2010, James Watt of WUWT predicted that Sept Arctic Sea Ice Extent would recover about 10% from the previous years value, or about 5.7 million square km. Tamino did an statistical extrapolation from the trendline of the previous 30 years of data, and predicted 4.8 million square km. When September rolled around, the correct value was measured to be: 4.8 million square km. Needless to say, Watt didn't have a prediction the following year.

But Joe Bastardi did! In 2011, he predicted Sept Arctic Sea Ice Extent would recover back to 2005 values, or 5.5 million square km. Tamino brought out the same trendline as before, added an extra year of data, and predicted 4.6 million square km. Correct answer: 4.5 million square km.

They SOOO want the Arctic ice to recover, its funny. Ain't happenin...
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Hen Diapheron Heautoi
05:41 PM on 04/29/2012
ROFL...

I linked this article by Hansen just the other day. It's available through Google Scholar, and indeed, it is very accurate in terms of its predictions.
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04:30 PM on 04/29/2012
Dr. Hansen wrote this letter "Tell Barack Obama the Truth – The Whole Truth"
to President-elect Obama 20081121. Here is an excerpt.

"All nuclear plants in the United States today are Light Water Reactors (LWRs), using ordinary water (as opposed to ‘heavy water’) to slow the neutrons and cool the reactor. Uranium is the fuel in all of these power plants. One basic problem with this approach is that more than 99% of the uranium fuel ends up ‘unburned’ (not fissioned). In addition to ‘throwing away’ most of the potential energy, the longlived nuclear wastes (plutonium, americium, curium, etc.) require geologic isolation in repositories such as Yucca Mountain. There are two compelling alternatives to address these issues, both of which will be needed in the future. The first is to build reactors that keep the neutrons ‘fast’ during the fission reactions. These fast reactors can completely ‘burn’ the uranium. Moreover, they can burn existing longlived nuclear waste, producing a small volume of waste with halflife of only decades, thus largely solving the longterm nuclear waste problem. The other compelling alternative is to use thorium as the fuel in thermal reactors. Thorium can be used in ways that practically eliminate buildup of longlived nuclear waste. {TABLE SPOON VOLUME/YEAR}"

http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2008/20081121_Obama.pdf
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At 6 bn km, it's mostly small stuff.
05:49 PM on 04/29/2012
This is one of the pieces of Dr Hansen's intellectual legacy that I hope will find wider currency among the environmental movement than it has at present.
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roger stillick
Forward for Everyone
03:46 PM on 04/29/2012
this is getting to be a Religion...
Dump big oil and move on is in there somewhere...
Trying to live in 21st Century is a better idea...
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06:50 PM on 04/29/2012
Cleanliness is next to Godliness

The origin of ???Cleanliness is next to Godliness,??? a common proverb, dates as far back as ancient Hebrew writings and possibly longer. While some attribute to the Bible, it's actually not found there. The known English appearance of the proverb is from the writings of Sir Francis Bacon in 1605. In his 'Advancement of Learning' Bacon wrote, ???Cleanness of body was ever deemed to proceed from a due reverence to God.??? Roughly 200 years later, John Wesley used the words we are now familiar with, ???'Cleanliness is indeed next to Godliness.??? For more info on well known proverbs and phrases, visit www.phrases.org.
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roger stillick
Forward for Everyone
07:54 PM on 04/30/2012
Um Terry, your post has nothing to do with anything going on here.
thanks and have a nice day...

and oh, the Oxford dictionary of the English Language gives origins...
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Robert Frano
‘Plausible Deniability’: NOT A FAMILY_VALUE!!
05:43 PM on 04/30/2012
Re: "...this is getting to be a Religion...etc. {roger stillick}

Protecting the Earth / humanity / ALL other life from greed-related resources-wastage is like a ‘religion’?
...You DON'T say!

Hmmm, let's see...
Have Dr. Hanson / other climate-change scientists issued ‘fatwa’s’ / papal_imprimaturs, inspiring followers to go burn/otherwise torture / murder / disenfranchise their fellow humans? I CAN think of several ‘prolife’ / other ‘religions’ that did / still do pursue such policies...

Has Dr. Hanson / the Global-Weather-Instability-Worried community threatened all life on earth by 'unchangeable’ dogma?
By 'reproduce, like insects' demands??
Seems to this interested observer that they 'preach' AGAINST that sort of public policy!!

I seem to see achanging pattern in this supposed 'dogma', (if that's correct terminology);
...the change seems to be right in line with 1981-data, (just as this article says is)!
Meanwhile...
The predicted resource wars / profiteering crusades / death & destruction benefitting shareholders HAS continued / expanded…
...Just as predicted!

You won't get excommunicated for pre-'Armageddon’-event-rehearsal!
Like you do if you avoid S.T.D.'s via latex, use B/c, marry a same sex spouse, etc. !

One of these days, I/we hope to achieve a solar-powered house, with a diesel-Toyota pick-up, converted to run bio-diesel, (analogous, in fuel issues, to an M1A2-Abrams), multiple cats & dogs, as well as converting our multi-decade live-together, (our Deities willing), from ‘relationship’ to ‘marriage’!

And...
Our dogs / cats WON'T ride on the roof!
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RudyHaugeneder
03:07 PM on 04/29/2012
Already under way but minor compared to what some experts say is pending, an extreme Methane release will almost instantly -- in terms of months and years rather than decades -- change the global climate.
Ouch.
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04:55 AM on 04/29/2012
Scientist Charles Keeling started taking measurements of atmospheric CO2 levels in the 1950s:

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/ClimateChanging/ClimateScienceInfoZone/ExploringEarthsclimate/1point7/1point7point2.aspx

The idea that the the contents of the atmosphere could directly affect climate originated at least as far back as the 19th century. By the beginning of the 20th century, a scientist by the name of Arhhenius predicted that rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere, put there by human industry, would cause a rise in global surface temperatures.

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm
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Jim Milks
Ecologist
06:18 PM on 04/29/2012
And here's Arrhenius' 1896 paper that made that prediction: http://www.rsc.org/images/Arrhenius1896_tcm18-173546.pdf
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09:30 PM on 04/28/2012
the suggestion that a daily record is not representative of a trend compared to yearly or over a decade is my exact argument.
if over a 24 hour period it is overcast and cold 75% of the time, then the sun breaks through at 2 pm there is record heat for 1 second around 4pm.
the average daily temperature could possibly be the coldest on record while the high for the day could break a record. very unlikely but possible.
we have a rediculous method of recording temperature.
when plants do not get enough water they die. they may stay green for another month or two but no matter how much water you give them they are dead. nurseries take cuttings from plants(clones) and i have seen them stay green for 4 to 6 months with no root growth.
the media(pun intended) is preying on simple minds that do not experience life but watch adult cartoons and survive on others knowledge of reality.
experience life, raise your food, live off the land, confront mother nature on her own terms.
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08:31 PM on 04/28/2012
I heard Hansen speak a few years ago. He seemed very tired and beaten down. Still had his passion though.
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09:39 AM on 04/29/2012
Lying about Gaia's temperature everyday would wear make me tired and beaten down, too.
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Reality has a scientific bias
01:12 PM on 04/29/2012
Prominent Global Warming "Skeptic" Hides The Incline
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Orkneygal: "Lying about Gaia's temperature everyday..."

Gotta love substance-free slander against climate scientists. Or not.

Dear Orkneygal,

Isn't prominent global warming "skeptic" Dr. Bob Carter committing de facto global warming fraud by misrepresenting increasing global temperature trends as flat?*

Isn't that like a global warming scam, a climate science hoax, an indefensible lie?

If you disagree please provide a valid scientific rational to support Bob Carter's gross misrepresentation of global warming temperature data over recent decades.

Bob Carter is a leader of and/or major contributor to several of the most prominent organizations that are "skeptical­" of man-made global warming including:

* The Heartland Institute
* The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF)
* The Science & Public Policy Institute (SPPI)
* The Science & Environmental Policy Project (SEPP)
* The Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC)
* The International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC)

Also:

You Orkneygal have indicated that you live in New Zealand - what relationship do you have with Bob Carter's New Zealand Climate Science Coalition (NZCSC), if any?

Please answer these questions instead of continuing to run away from them - thank you.

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* http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2011/07/bob_carters_trend_lines.php
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/07/13/bob-carter-does-his-business/

[ Que: Orkneygal saying again that she has "replied" or "responded" to these questions about Bob Carter's de facto fraud and her relationship to Carter's NZCSC when in fact Orkneygal has never addressed or answered the questions. ]
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At 6 bn km, it's mostly small stuff.
04:13 PM on 04/29/2012
You must be exhausted.
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niumarmion
a temporary being
10:06 AM on 04/28/2012
He also predicted a nuclear winter from an atomic war. The Russian and American scientists confirmed his studies, and that led to the SALT agreements.
10:25 PM on 04/27/2012
This article outlines some of the outrageous attacks that people like Hansen have had to put up with because their conclusions are not to some people's liking:

http://www.physicstoday.org/resource/1/phtoad/v65/i2/p22_s1?bypassSSO=1