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Biden Israel-Iran Statements Cause Storm Of Regional Responses


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Good grief this thread grew legs, became a monster and personal agenda for a handful of posters. The twisting of what VP Biden said, perhaps to fulfill individual schema via projection has now become slightly odd and almost uncomfortable to read.

Anything written of Israel will be reacted to with emotion¦I get it. But it is unfair to place blame for personal fear, anger, and irritation on Mr. Biden, when to do so two opposing sides are insisting his meaning is their own. It is not the healthy discussion of opposing views that is bothersome, (it's why we're here) but rather the creative back and forth and seemingly intentional misinterpretation of the vice president"s words in order to back individual stance that I find frustrating.

Biden is as straight forward in speaking as they come, and I understand if he says an item is blue, that he indeed means that the item is blue. Comments such as "had he [Biden] added..." is absurd. This was a good interview covering myriad topics, cherry-picking wording left in or out is a cheap shot.

Rather than my embarrassing tirade, perhaps read the post by ChampLessFuzzy; it"s beautiful in its honesty. Often things are far simpler than we insist on making them out to be; however, our deepest fears, ardor and passion can suddenly, and inadvertently, tangle up a perfectly straight line.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 AM on 07/10/2009
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(thank you)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 07/10/2009
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Without our support a belligerent Israel will not last a day in the Middle East;

Without our support Israel would not have had nuclear weapons;

Without our support Israel would not have attacked Iraqi and Syrian nuclear facilities,

and without our support Israel would not be suppressing the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

Joe Biden"s statements were dangerous and provocative. What was he thinking?

Israel more than any other nation in the world, including Iran and North Korea, might be instrumental in starting the last war humanity will encounter.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 07/09/2009

No one has reported nuclear testing by Israel. No one has reported seeing nuclear missles inside Israel. The only evidence we have nukes is the word of a convicted liar and traitor. This is hardly sufficient evidence.
Israel attacked the nuke sites in Syria and in Iraq in our own best interest and without help from the US.
Hamas, not Israel, is responsible for the sad lives of ordinary Gazan citizens.
VP Biden spoke the truth.
ANyone foolish enough to claim Israel is more dangerous than Iran or North Korea is ignorant of the situation in either of those nations.
Mr. Sadegh displays an unhealthy and dangerous bias against Israel that is based on falsehoods.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 07/09/2009

Just for the record: You do not believe Israel has "nukes" ?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 07/09/2009

Israel certainly IS more dangerous than Iran. Israels actions in Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank, Syria and elsewhere speak for themselves. Anyone foolish to claim otherwise is lying.

It seems history has an anti-Bubba bias.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 07/09/2009
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Americans are being prepared for a war with Iran. We have forgotten about all that propaganda preceding the Iraq war because we have a dangerously low attention span and zero historical perspective. Demonization of Hussein is very similar to the current demonization of the Iranian mullahs. For sure, these are despicable regimes but so are many others around the world. What makes Iraq and Iran "special" is their oil resources and their regimes' unwillingness to go along with American hegemony. Imperial hubris will kill whatever good that is left of the American experiment.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 07/08/2009

Gosh, I guess it will be the visionaries like you and arle who guide the US into the remainder of this century with your immense optimism.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 07/08/2009

In the transcript, Biden's remarks on the willingness to engage with Iran given close to his remark of Israel's sovereignty to attack Iran suggest a carrot and stick approach to diplomacy, rather than any green lights to Israel. It's certainly not the best approach to use, and Iran has already used it to their advantage by heralding it as a form of approval in the midst of an uprising.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 07/08/2009
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The only carrot I'm seeing in Biden's hands are AIPAC lobbying dollars.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 07/08/2009
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So far I favor the Biden ineptus theory, rather than any attempt to send signals to Iran.

Interesting also is this report:

Iraqi lawmakers warn Israel against attacking Iran
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1098726.html

. . . and the fact that our Iraqi friends refer to Israel as the "entity." The Iraqis may have hated Saddam (at least the Shiite majority) but they seem to share his views on Israel. And, come to think of it -- Iran's.

So much for neocon hopes that Iraq would turn into another subservient Egypt.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 07/08/2009
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