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Raymond Leon Roker: Stop Blaming California's Black Voters for Prop 8


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Prop 8 is the perfect case study for taxing churches. If you want to be a player in politics, that is your right. And if you're going to act like a Political Action Committee, you should be treated like one.

That means no more tax-free status. And an end to government handouts and the extraordinary boondoggle that goes by the name, "Faith-based initiatives."

Christopher St. John
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 12/05/2008

I am a heterosexual female hispanic residing in california.I will never understand how any minority can vote to strip the rights of another individual. if it was not for the minorities that came before them and fought against discrimination and for civil rights, they would not be as comfortable in society as they are now. The minorities would not even be welcome in the camp of the white americans if not for the minorities that came before them. The minorities are only tolerated because the white voters need their vote. This win for prop 8 supporters only gives power to these intolerant people. When they feel they have power they may just begin to focus on the very minorities who helped them. I sure hope if you are a minority that you are never ganged up on and stripped of any freedoms you enjoy. And when society begins to go backwards like this, anything is possible.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 11/13/2008

blame is being placed with the black community, because that is exactly where it belongs. Pulling up the ladder when you've climbed a little higher is very common. Not all black people voted for it, but they did by a 70-30% margin...it makes me sick to my stomach when I think about it. We gays really are the untouchables in this country, and I for one am beyond fed up, beyond disapointed. There are other places to live where one isn't made to feel like pond scum for just existing, so babies, time to pack it up and go to one of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 11/12/2008

I agree with you completely. I am a heterosexual hispanic female residing in california. The minorities can not even think about making this a better place for their kids There is still discrimination in this country. They should try go living in a part of the country in a state known for being racist , in an all white neighborhood and see what kind of welcome they get. They will most certainly get a reality check. I just do not know how they think. I live very close to the Mexican border and you still here people telling the hispanics to go back to their country, and they say it in a very durogatory way. They still want to close the border so my kind can not come over here anymore. I am just so baffled, I can not imagine what they were thinking. California is a very tolerant state, I just don't know how this could have happened.. I am very frustrated with this outcome of prop 8.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 11/13/2008

That's exactly right. The hypocrisy of the African American community is sickening, but I can only suspect that religion is to blame. To argue that the African American vote would not have been enough to make a difference on Prop 8 is to not hold the 70% of that community accountable for their decision to stomp on the civil rights of another minority group. California voters elected Obama by an overwhelming majority and yet these same voters still passed Prop 8 while celebrating the watershed moment of electing the first African American president. I'm disgusted. The rights of a minority should never be determined in a vote by the majority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 11/16/2008

The problem is gay people just expected that black people would be on their side because of the civil rights movement. The civil rights movement, as well as the black community was and is based in religion, which tends to be anti-gay. To be honest the "mainstream" gay community did little if any to reach out to black voters like the religious groups did.

I can't compare interracial marriage or civil rights to gay rights. The gay community is made up of white men and white women who benefit from white privilege, and I am not saying this is right, but they have the privilege of choosing whether or not to disclose their sexuality to the world. My skin gives away my blackness. It isn't a choice I can choose to disclose or not. Gay people were never enslaved or suffered from Jim Crow laws.

It was said that in many of the protest rallies after election day many black gays felt threatened by their own white gay counterparts, which makes me think, that the gay community fails to reach out to their minority brethren.

Religion is the main cause of why Prop. 8 passed, not race.

With all that being said,I was against Prop. 8, and do believe gay people should have the right to legally marry, but I also find it insulting that blacks are expected to vote in favor of "gay rights" and liken their struggle to ours.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 AM on 11/19/2008

No one in the Gay community needs to do any "outreach". Civil rights are just that...rights!

We don't need to beg anyone for the rights we are entitled to. As a gay man I don't need your understanding and I don't care what your opinion is. I don't remember anyone asking me my opinion about your rights.

I'm ashamed today to be a Californian and I'm ashamed to be an American.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 11/12/2008

I would believe you shouldn't have to beg for rights you are entitled to as an American citizen, but blacks had to protest, get arrested, and die for our civil rights.

Mikey to be honest it seems you wouldn't care about my rights anyway, in your mind they don't affect you, and in your mind the gay world I guess is all white and all those blacks, asians, and hispanics in your community are insignificant and their struggles outside of being gay have nothing to do with you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 AM on 11/19/2008
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It's time for gay people to force their leadership to take responsibility for the rcism within their ranks and within their major organizations. Until they do they have no moral standing to lecture black people on intolerance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 11/11/2008

Makes sense.... and since it seems that there is massive evidence of homophobia in the African American community then no one in that community has the moral standing to lecture anyone else on intolerance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 11/11/2008

Wow I love how being black and being gay are two separate things within the minds of many gay people. That really is sad to me. Last I checked, you could be gay and black.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 AM on 11/19/2008
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