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The Accelerating Shift in Attitudes Towards Home Walkaways

Posted: 09/22/11 03:20 PM ET

On radio, I am still asked about the morality of walking away from an underwater home -- but the question is fading fast. By mid-2012, the question will be "Who wants to be the last American paying down a $400,000 mortgage on a $200,000 house?"

More accurately, perhaps, the question is almost gone. Good radio hosts still question the morality of walkaways, because questioning is part of their job, and because the issue still weighs heavy with some of their audience. Then the radio producers funnel through some critical callers to keep the comments balanced.

One recent radio caller criticized home walkaways, and then detailed his two-year struggle to carry out a short sale on his own underwater house, being foiled by bank bureaucracy every step of the way. By the end he had undone his own point, and I asked him, "If you 'tried to do the right thing,' and the bank has screwed you at every turn... what is your issue with people who just walk away?" By then he seemed to be wondering the same thing.

Another critic launched a tirade against walkaways from high moral ground, or so he thought, saying he had been faithfully paying his mortgage on time for 15 years. On questioning, it turned out he had bought during the real estate price downturn of the mid-1990s, and gotten his house at below market value. When I asked if his house was now underwater, he said "No."

In this age of social media, I regularly hear from listeners after radio shows, and many of the listeners had been highly annoyed by that particular critic -- they simply wanted to know more about the mechanics of walking away, and the tirade had cut into my how-to time.

There are a still few regions where foreclosure is never discussed beyond the immediate family, but it's less and less often due to the morality issue. In the more status-conscious parts of the San Francisco Bay area -- namely those enjoying a mini-boom in hightech -- foreclosure still carries a burden of shame, but the concern about being a "loser" far outweighs any moral concerns. A mere 20 miles away, in the "outer Bay" area, it's no big deal to discuss a home walkaway, since in some areas everyone knows that you're probably underwater if you bought after 2000.

More dramatically, in developments built since 2000, in most parts of Arizona, California, Nevada and Florida, all the houses are now underwater -- the only real question is whether your lender will come to their senses and knock down the principal before you stop paying the mortgage.

This, I believe, is the beginning of the fourth and last wave of home walkaways.

The first wave was strategic defaults -- people who could afford the mortgage without dipping into savings, but chose to abandon what they considered a bad investment. They were the people that everyone loves to hate: the true deadbeats, the "serial bankrupters," and the Porsche-driving yuppies. A few are still living in the homes rent-free, but most have long since moved. (The rich defaulted and disappeared long ago.)

The second wave was the situational defaults -- people who were laid off, couldn't afford the payments, and were foreclosed on. These are continuing, particularly as unemployed people who were barely hanging on continue to fall off the unemployment benefit rolls.

The third and continuing wave is what I call prudent walkaways -- people who can afford the payments for a while longer, by exhausting their 401Ks, childrens' college funds and other savings -- but are now choosing to default before they are financially ruined.

The fourth (and perhaps final) wave, as the moral issue vanishes, will be a new breed of strategic defaulters -- the remaining solid, average Americans who finally grit their teeth, sit down with a calculator, and ask themselves why they want to spend the next two decades buying a house for twice what it is now worth.

The way the housing situation is moving at the moment, in a couple of years this will leave the last contract-thumping moralist standing alone on their front lawn, shrieking "Do the right thing! Two wrongs don't make a right!", while passing neighbors look on with pity as they move on with their own lives.

But "the moment" changes fast in the Great Recession, and home walkaway is no longer the clear best financial choice that it was in 2008. This is because while a nationwide Federal homeowner bailout is unlikely, the FDA may push for faster principal reductions in some circumstances (they are under pressure to do so from various public interest groups). Also, banks may move faster to reduce principal.

 

 

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09:31 AM on 09/23/2011
As usual, an excellent article. But did you mean to cite the 'FDA'?
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Nicholas Carroll
12:06 PM on 09/23/2011
Thanks! 'FHA'.
12:30 PM on 09/23/2011
No problem. As one who has been trying to negotiate this quagmire for about 6 months, FDA may have actually been more appropriate!!!
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10:40 PM on 09/22/2011
Strategic default is okay if TBTF banks do it:

http://www.totalnoid.com/2009/12/27/strategic-default-morgan-stanley-gives-properties-back-to-the-lender/
Strategic Default: Morgan Stanley Gives Properties Back to the Lender

Anyone contemplating a strategic default should contact a real estate attorney in their state.

Here's a site that can help:

http://www.youwalkaway.com/
Foreclosure Help & Foreclosure Assistance Through The Foreclosure Process | You Walk Away - Strategic Default Help - Foreclosure Protection - Strategic Default Assistance
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tbryant80
I am an Independent, not a troll for partisan poli
09:21 PM on 09/22/2011
Dealing with some of these mortgage servicers would make anybody want to walk away.
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Dave F
Former Republican. Liberal = liberty.
07:04 PM on 09/22/2011
Businesses do this all the time, and it's considered a good business move. Underwater on your debt? Stop paying and walk away! I read about a real estate company in NY that walked away from a $13 billion dollar debt. Donald Trump doesn't like to say it out loud, but that's essentially what's done many times too, and he's obviously not living on the street. As he would say, "It's just business."

I think the problem lies in homeowners minds - there are emotional attachments to houses, when they think of them as "homes" rather than attractively put-together shelter. Look at it from the business perspective - if long term, it makes sense to stay and you can do so, then stay. If it doesn't and you can't make it work, walk away. The bank will view it as a business transaction themselves - something to be rolled into their own overall business strategy, profits/losses, etc. They don't care if you stay or go - they care if you pay.

And I think if more people were willing to walk away, banks would be more likely to "deal" and try and keep you in the house, to salvage some payment over having an empty house they (likely) can't sell anyway. And that's still "just business."
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Nicholas Carroll
08:49 PM on 09/22/2011
"And I think if more people were willing to walk away, banks would be more likely to "deal"...."

Increasingly they are, but at the current pace far too slowly to save their asses. The bizarre part to me is that I've never seen mentioned the old saying "When you owe the bank $10k, you have a problem. When you owe the bank $1 million, the bank has a problem."

The public owes the banks $18 trillion. I would say the banks have a problem.
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Dave F
Former Republican. Liberal = liberty.
09:44 PM on 09/22/2011
Spot on. The public, it would seem, is catching on, yes?
05:51 PM on 09/23/2011
Dear Mr. Carroll:
Like the article. Somewhere of reasonable reliability (can't remember exactly where) I heard that $200 Billion, spent strategically in failing residential markets, could have stabilized the housing market had the expenditure been made early in the crisis. That many more times that was spent "stabilizing" financial institutions is another reason why any sober person would feel no further obligation to push more of their money toward the lenders. Had the government made an effort to subsidize home owners, one might make a moral argument that the home owners were further obligated. That didn't happen, so now the lenders need to fend for themselves.
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jimtodd
Unrepentant child of '60s
05:03 PM on 09/22/2011
I have never understood why people stay in underwater mortgages, but then I still can't figure out why people vote against their own interests.
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Robert SF
08:47 PM on 09/22/2011
In the first case, it's because despite the stereotype of Americans not having any sense of personal responsibility, Americans indeed DO have a sense of personal responsibility. Individual exceptions notwithstanding, Americans as a group do blame themselves for their failures and even for the failures of others.
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jimtodd
Unrepentant child of '60s
12:41 AM on 09/23/2011
If being robbed for a third time satisfies your sense of responsibility, I certainly would not try to dissuade you. I just don't understand it. How long do you think a corporation holds on to underwater property?
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Nicholas Carroll
12:45 AM on 09/23/2011
Very much agree. *Too much* personal responsibility, said a psychologist last year -- he traced the roots of the Tea Partyers(sp?) to the belief that Americans hold themselves personally accountable for all of life's failures, and in the case of the Tea Party types, most of them being economic failures, they finally can't stand it anymore, and lash out at "gubmint" or whatever as the cause of their desperate lives, as a better alternative to wallowing in guilt.

If Americans would take a more balanced view, that life is about half self-determined and half luck, they wouldn't be so harsh with themselves -- nor so angry with themselves.

E.g., "Choosing the right parents" is said in jest, and means "I got lucky"; people should in turn accept that "choosing the wrong parents" is not their fault.
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Nicholas Carroll
12:31 AM on 09/23/2011
I responded to you earlier, but my comment never matrialized. In brief: after two years of questioning people in debt, I've concluded that Americans have come to equate "morality" and "duty" (no doubt to the joy of mortgage bankers).

The two are quite different, though. The etymology of "morality" is "correct behavior in society" -- society meaning a particular place and time. The times have changed, and what was correct in 1970 is not necessarily correct today. There's a longer description in the essay "What's Good For Main Street Is Good For America: The Case For Walking Away From Personal Debt" at
http://www.walkawayfromdebt.com/writings/walkaway-from-debt.html
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jimtodd
Unrepentant child of '60s
10:08 AM on 09/23/2011
Thank you for your work and the link to your essay. It is an interesting read that would benefit everyone for the historical perspective it provides. Keep up the good work.
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Jen Celli
Done sitting and watching quietly.
04:39 PM on 09/22/2011
It's strictly business. If you're going to deplete your own cash resources in an attempt to hang onto a property that will never regain the value; you're throwing your money away. Better to make a sound business decision to take what you have left and move on. What will you have in the end if you don't preserve what little you have left? An empty bank account and a property that is still underwater.
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Nicholas Carroll
08:27 PM on 09/22/2011
Yep. I'll be adding to this piece in next week's article, because there's more to think about than there was in 2008, when defaulting was a no-brainer (in hindsight).

Now there's an element of musical chairs to walking away from and underwater house, because the bank *might* voluntarily reduce the principal. Stay tuned....
wsdave
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03:06 PM on 09/22/2011
I wouldn't feel any worse about walking away from a house than I would feel bad for someone who just gambled on the horses and lost.

The banks took a risk, and had PLENTY of opportunity to do due diligence on that risk. If they lose, maybe they'll learn for next time.
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spinotter11
Spinning through life and trying to understand it.
08:30 PM on 09/22/2011
Neither the banks nor the lenders expected such a crash. It seems to me both should take a haircut, but that would be too reasonable.
wsdave
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09:20 PM on 09/22/2011
"Neither the banks nor the lenders expected such a crash."

Agreed, but that's the nature of gambling.
02:41 PM on 09/22/2011
I feel like Emily Litella. I read the headline as Accelerating Shifts in Attitude in Home Walkways and thought I'd be reading about a move to green permeable walks.