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Stephen Prothero Interview: The Many Forms of Faith

Posted: 06/30/10 10:14 AM ET

Talking with Stephen Prothero, author of God Is Not One: The Eight Rival Religions That Run the World -- And Why Their Differences Matter, is like watching those Miller Lite commercials where tempers flare over the "Great Taste!" vs. "Less Filling!" properties of the beer:

What seems like an intense conflict is ultimately just a marketing gimmick.

The Boston University religion professor's argument, punctuated by his book's bold title and cover art of dueling one-way signs, is that these belief systems are fundamentally different, rather than merely divergent paths up the same mountain. In interviews, he calls interfaith families "inconsistent," and dismisses atheists as "dishonest." Yet each chapter notes an array of similarities among the profiled faiths -- Islam, Christianity, Confucianism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Yoruba, Judaism, Daoism -- and describes major game-changing disagreements within their underlying denominations.

By the end, God is either one, many, or irrelevant.

As an introductory comparative religion textbook with mass appeal, written with a light enough touch to compare Jesus with Michael Jordan and the Buddha with Rocky, God Is Not One gets the job done. But, unless you already thought your religion was the only way up, it won't suddenly convince you that other believers aren't climbing that same mountain - or, at least aiming for the heavens somehow.

Highlights from my recent talk with Prothero:

You write that viewing religions as different paths to the same God "is a lovely sentiment, but it is dangerous, disrespectful, and untrue." Couldn't the same be said of focusing on their conflicts?

If I had the perception that everybody writing about religion was just writing about difference, difference, difference, then I would be more inclined to write about similarities. But, I'm reacting against a generation of popular books that have really tried to push the pendulum very far toward religious similarities, and I'm trying to push it back.

What I'm trying to do is get away from two kinds of extremes: that religion is all good and that religion is all bad. I'm trying to say that it's both.

Religions are certainly different, but aren't they're all serving the same basic purpose: explaining the world and how to achieve some higher state of being?

I don't disagree with the Dalai Lama or Huston Smith or Karen Armstrong on the question of whether all religions preach compassion. The really important disagreement I have with the next step: that, therefore, religions are the same. I don't think ethics is what religion is essentially all about. A lot of Protestants think that religions are belief systems. Confucianism is more about ethics and ritual, Judaism is more about law and story, Buddhism is more about experience.

All these people want us to get along, they're speaking on behalf of peace, and some of them are winning the Nobel Peace Prize. They think the way toward peace is to pretend that religions are the same; I don't think that's the way towards peace. If you look at other areas of life, like race and ethnicity, that's not the way towards peace. It's about understanding differences. I'm baffled that we have to do this pretend thing in religion. You can have differences without conflict.

Given that Christianity includes Mormons, Catholics and evangelicals, among others, aren't the denominational differences also significant? Where does it end?

The fact that the religions are kind of divided against themselves also makes this broader point about religious difference. Catholics are not the same as Protestants are not the same as Mormons, and the Sunni-Shia division is very important inside Islam. That's why it makes even less sense to make this claim that all religions are the same, if all forms of Christianity aren't even the same.

How do you account for people who blend religions, such as interfaith families or someone practicing both Buddhism and Judaism?

One way is that they are inconsistent. Another is that they're only accenting the parts of their religions that work together. Another is that their religions are puzzle pieces that can fit - Judaism has traditionally not had the kind of contemplative practice emphasis that Buddhism has, and Buddhism doesn't affirm a God, so it doesn't bump up against the "no graven image" problem. They're very different religions, but they're not making, for the most part, incompatible claims. You can be Daoist and Buddhist at the same time; a lot of Christians in east Asia are also Confucian. That's because those religions operate largely in separate spheres.


Why are you so hard on atheists?

I think they're intellectually dishonest, and I think it's the hardest religious position to take up. With Christianity, you just have to affirm that Jesus is God and sent to the world to save the world. With atheism, you have to reject every single god. There's a lot of gods out there. I think many atheists are not actually atheists; they're just people who've rejected the Jewish or Christian God, more specifically the god that their parents taught them. They don't know anything about the Hindu divinities. How can you reject a god that you've never even heard of?

Perhaps they just feel committed to scientific evidence rather than mystery?

Then I hope they never read a novel, since mystery lies at the heart of so many novels! But, even rejecting the supernatural, not all religions have gods, not all religions necessarily have the supernatural. Confucianism and Buddhism might be the religion for them.

Couldn't you also frame this as the differences between believers and nonbelievers, or between fundamentalist and progressives across the board, not between religions?

There's truth to that, but I don't think that's on a global scale. In American politics, the liberal Episcopalian and Reform Jew have more in common [with each other than with other Christians/Jews]... But these religions have their own narratives and their own rituals, and those aren't shared across these religious traditions.

One can see how this book appeals to believers who feel strongly that their religion is distinct. How does your Christianity affect your views on other faiths?

I'm religiously confused now. I don't have any real answers to any of these important questions. I think the reason that I keep studying them is because I don't have answers; I think if I had answers, I'd become an economist!

When I go to a religious service, I usually go to a Quaker meeting where no one speaks, so no one ever says anything that I disagree with. It's a pretty good situation.

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Talking with Stephen Prothero, author of God Is Not One: The Eight Rival Religions That Run the World -- And Why Their Differences Matter, is like watching those Miller Lite commercials where tempers ...
Talking with Stephen Prothero, author of God Is Not One: The Eight Rival Religions That Run the World -- And Why Their Differences Matter, is like watching those Miller Lite commercials where tempers ...
 
 
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12:22 AM on 08/15/2010
This work was not worthy of a professor at a major university. Frankly it was not worthy of an undergraduate. He made a strawman of some of the greatest thinkers of the past century. The topic and the idea of differences in religion is significant and worthwhile; disfiguring the comments of Smith, Huxley, and others, was less than scholarly.
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12:07 PM on 08/10/2010
"When I go to a religious service, I usually go to a Quaker meeting where no one speaks, so no one ever says anything that I disagree with. It's a pretty good situation."

That pretty says it all doesn't it? Oh brother.
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12:05 PM on 08/10/2010
"How can you reject a god that you've never even heard of?"

Because in all of recorded history empirical evidence of a god/gods has never surfaced, ever; not here, china, africa, india or the himalayas. No where, ever. There is no rational intellectual position that permits the acceptance of a deity. However, evidence of supernatural fantasies abound. The truly intellectually lazy position is to accept that which cannot be proven because scientifically ignorant people made it up thousands of years ago.
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11:57 AM on 08/10/2010
"With atheism, you have to reject every single god. There's a lot of gods out there. "

Where? Anybody see a god out there? Rejecting all the gods is no more difficult than rejecting one. Go ahead, it's easy. Give it a try.
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11:53 AM on 08/10/2010
"You can have differences without conflict."

"is a lovely sentiment, but it is dangerous, disrespectful, and untrue."
12:13 PM on 07/24/2010
I am more of an atheist than ever after reading this.
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11:16 AM on 07/03/2010
I've been thinking more about Prothero dissing atheists who "don't know anything about the Hindu divinities," and comparing that statement with part of the subtitle of his book: "The Eight Rival Religions That Run the World." The article lists these eight as: "Islam, Christianity, Confucianism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Yoruba, Judaism, Daoism."

Is Confucianism a religion? And do Shinto, Sikhism, Druze, Zoroastrianism, Cao Dai, Jainism, Juche and other religions not on Prothero's list really play no role in world affairs? There are hundreds of millions of adherents of animist worldwiews -- do they not count? And I'm guessing that there have to be hundreds of millions if not billions of still other people in religious categories with which neither Prothero nor I are at all familiar.

So do I have to learn about all of these religions and reject them one by one in order to have serious atheist cred? Or should Prothero have done more research before he presented himself as some kind of authority on the subject of religions worldwide? (Maybe there's a paragraph or even a chapter in Prothero's book explaining why only eight religions are world-class movers and shakers. If so I don't know if I want to read it. I might die of eyeroll.)

What the Hell, why am I taking this guy seriously -- or perhaps more to the point: why does he spend so much time on public-broadcasting airwaves and bestseller lists?
10:37 PM on 07/02/2010
An author that can't make the distinction between religion and philosophy cannot be credited as reliable nor expert.

He implies it is better to engage in any faith than no faith. (to reiterate) He implies any faith-based ideology is better than a lack of faith-based ideology. How can we infer anything except that he is uninterested in facts or reality?

At least he isn't asking us to sell flowers at the airport... yet.
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04:57 PM on 07/02/2010
"But, even rejecting the supernatural, not all religions have gods, not all religions necessarily have the supernatural. Confucianism and Buddhism might be the religion for them (atheists)."

By definition, those people whose religions have no gods *are* atheists.
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10:47 PM on 07/01/2010
He makes his case that all religions are NOT the same, but seems not to want to realize that the fact that they can't all be right is troubling him. He has more respect for someone who affirms "that Jesus is God and sent to the world to save the world." than with someone who can honestly hold that that is just gobbledygook.

He's hard on atheists because he's not intellectually honest enough to admit why he's confused.
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10:59 AM on 07/02/2010
Him and a couple billion other people.
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07:40 PM on 07/01/2010
I think ATHEIST are intellectually dishonest, and I think it's the hardest religious position to take up. With Christianity, you just have to affirm that Jesus is God and sent to the world to save the world. JESUS???? IS NOT EVEN MENTIONED IN LEGITIMATE HISTORY....HE'S A FANTASY CREATED IN THE FOURTH CENTURY AS A WAY OF CONTROLLING THROUGH FEAR SO THAT THE CONTROLLER COULD ACCUMULATE POWER AND WEALTH FROM THE FEARFULLY IGNORANT AND SUPERSTITIOUS.
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10:59 AM on 07/02/2010
I rarely defend Christianity -- and TYRANNASAURUS' capital letters are scary like rows of big sharp teeth -- but whether Jesus was real or fictional, Christianity was around before the 4th century.

As an atheist, it irks me when fellow skeptics claim to be criticizing ignorance and they have their history all wrong.
04:37 PM on 07/01/2010
"There's a lot of gods out there"

There are a lot of gods out there??? Really??? Where? This guy is making multiple god statements and there isn't even proof of any type of spirit running around... I love how illogical people can get...they don't even apply logic to their religion (oxymoron) ...if you believe in any spirit or being you're an animist...that christians who believe in the holy trinity are actually polytheists...that...done...can't do it anymore
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10:02 PM on 06/30/2010
"When I go to a religious service, I usually go to a Quaker meeting where no one speaks, so no one ever says anything that I disagree with. It's a pretty good situation."

Now if Prothero would just return the favor.
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09:22 PM on 06/30/2010
"Perhaps they just feel committed to scientific evidence rather than mystery?

Then I hope they never read a novel, since mystery lies at the heart of so many novels! But, even rejecting the supernatural, not all religions have gods, not all religions necessarily have the supernatural. Confucianism and Buddhism might be the religion for them."

I'll take a shot at this one: a very glib answer to a poorly-phrased question. It's not "rather than mystery" (for what does science do other than try to explain mysteries?); it's "rather than the supernatural". And for that matter, it's not just science, but rational thought, which obviously includes science.

I wonder what Prothero's answer would have been to the question, "Perhaps they just feel committed to rational thought rather than the supernatural?"
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10:01 PM on 06/30/2010
Plus, of course, a novel is understood to be fiction, make-believe, while religion is not always so understood, unfortunately.
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07:30 PM on 06/30/2010
"I think they're intellectually dishonest, and I think it's the hardest religious position to take up. With Christianity, you just have to affirm that Jesus is God and sent to the world to save the world. With atheism, you have to reject every single god. There's a lot of gods out there. I think many atheists are not actually atheists; they're just people who've rejected the Jewish or Christian God, more specifically the god that their parents taught them. They don't know anything about the Hindu divinities. How can you reject a god that you've never even heard of?"


Huh? Really?

This has to be one of the most absurd things I've read in a long time. Uh, doesn't he realize that a Christian has also rejected countless gods as well? Discounting one more isn't a stretch.



This atheist has yet to see anyone bring forth any observable and testable evidence for gods, spirits, etc.
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09:11 PM on 06/30/2010
Exactly. Prothero clearly starts with the premise that some gods exists; he's just not sure he knows which ones. So the idea that an atheist rejects the concept in its totality is foreign to him. To call atheists intellectually dishonest is just as foreign to me.
11:06 PM on 06/30/2010
Your argument about western religion's rejection of former gods is the perfect rebuttal to Prothero's absurd rationalizations to dismiss atheist's non-belief.

Another argument is that all atheists ask, is that the believers "Prove it". Logic puts the ball squarely in their court. They are unable to volley. And this has been true for as long as human's evolved societal instincts were converted by sentience into religions. Most humans need to believe in gods. It helps them deal with their cosmic insignificance. But while feelings are real, they are not reality. They are just feelings. Instincts. Anthropomorphizing feelings with myths and fairies demeans true sentience.
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10:06 AM on 07/01/2010
"Most humans need to believe in gods."

Is it really most people? Or were the consequences of openly expressing disbelief so drastic for so long that it only seemed that way?

Look at HuffPo's Religion section: most of the authors of the articles present a religious point of view -- religious, or spiritual, or mystic, or what have you. Po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to, spud -- and say that atheists are militant, or intellectually dishonest, or something else bad. They can't really get away with calling us sinful anymore.

Anyway: within HuffPo, they are the authorities, and we, the readers who comment, are the public presence -- and a lot of the public is very skeptical. Maybe most of the public.

And maybe this microcosm reflects the greater public. The article authors do reflect the world's leaders in that most of them still toe a pro-religion party line, as most have throughout recorded history.

The key word when speaking of people's beliefs is "maybe," because, short of telepathy, you can't tell what they believe, you can only listen to what they say and observe what they do. And, again, for a very long time it was very dangerous to say that you thought religion was a crock. Old habits die hard, among masses of people as well as among individuals. It's often said that faith is declining, but maybe what's declining is the instinct, once a self-preserving instinct, for skeptics to keep their mouths shut about their skepticism.