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Alimony. Really?

Posted: 07/25/2012 3:55 pm

Born in California and raised in Texas, I have always been torn by the question "Where are you from?" I always wondered, are you "from" where you were born or are you "from" where you grew up? As a child, I always said I was from California; it seemed more progressive and cooler for this girl living in Texas. However, now as an adult and in spite of all that I have been through after the death of my husband here in Texas, I undoubtedly consider myself a proud Texas woman. We seem to be a different breed; I find Texas women to be tough, smart, pretty, kind and proud. Pride for me comes in many ways; mostly what I have been thinking about lately is our laws concerning divorce and what we are entitled to.

It is no secret that I have been married twice and will most likely see a third marriage in my lifetime. My first marriage ended after 11 years, despite trying to follow through with the lifetime commitment to each other. After deciding that it was no longer healthy for me to be in the relationship -- and honestly, had not been for years -- I left my husband. When I chose to do this, I never expected for him to have to continue to take care of me. Nor did I want him to. Yes, I took care of his daughter and was a wife and mother and worked full time. Sure, I am certain that at times I made personal sacrifices for the sake of our family and our marriage. But when it was over, I felt the need and desire to be on my own. Which for me, meant living on my own, supporting myself and cutting all ties with my ex in order to move forward with a healthier life.

When I filed for the divorce -- which I did on my own with a book from the library -- I wanted nothing from our marriage. I left my car, my cash and literally started over. For me, the new life that was awaiting me was more important than any material possession. As difficult as this was, I never once thought about alimony, spousal support or any other sort of "due" financial responsibility my ex had to me. Had he decided to file for divorce first, I am certain that would not have been any different. When we were standing in front of the judge for the third time because I wanted my car and he didn't want me to leave and was attempting to use this possession as leverage, I simply said, "Your Honor, all I want is my name back. Please finalize this divorce and I will take nothing but my name back." The power that statement gave my spirit was immense. I walked out of the courtroom that day feeling so much pride, knowing that I had the power and strength to live on my own without him.

Ironically, that same court five years later voided my second marriage to my late husband, fallen firefighter Captain Thomas Araguz III, who was killed in the line of duty on July 4, 2012. (The court voided my marriage based on my sex at birth and transsexual identity; I am challenging the law that was used against me and am currently embattled in a civil rights marriage equality case headed to the U.S. Supreme Court.) However, I stand behind Texas's divorce laws.

In Texas, you must have been married at least 10 years in order to even request alimony or spousal support, with a maximum alimony judgment lasting up to 10 years for marriages 30 years or longer. In contrast, North Carolina's laws are much less stringent. There is no determined length a marriage must last in order for a spouse to request alimony or spousal maintenance.

I don't believe that spousal support is something that all people deserve. I believe that you should do everything you can to maintain a happy and healthy marriage, and when that is exhausted, you cut your losses and move on -- not trying to make the other person "pay" financially or emotionally. This is not in the spirit of love that relationships are founded and built upon.

I put all I had into both of my marriages, and while I do believe that I deserve the full benefits of those marriages, I do not believe that my ex-husband should have to pay me for my own life and support. Unfortunately, some women and a few men feel that, regardless of their ability to be self-supporting, they are "owed" and entitled to lifelong financial support, even after the relationship has ended. I personally find this attitude abhorrent and am rather disgusted by it. I believe in due share; however, I do not believe that one should want or expect more than his or her 50 percent. Many hardworking men and women are forced to pay their exes monthly as if it were child support. To those receiving such money, I say get a life of your own. I fully understand the pain and anguish that follows the end of a relationship, but to make someone pay -- indefinitely -- for the other is ridiculous.

Mind you, I am certain that there are exceptions such as medical tragedies that leave a spouse solely reliant on the other spouse. I'm fully aware of the strain that such instances can put on a relationship. For example, my mother had a stroke which left her paralyzed and in need of constant care. Had my father chosen to not stand by his vows and bow under pressure of the difficulties and left her, that would be a situation requiring special consideration.

However, on the flip side, I know of a man who has sole custody of his children from a previous marriage and is the sole provider for those children. He is a kindhearted man and an amazing father. His second wife of only two years, an able-bodied woman in her early 30s, is suing him for not only half of all his possessions, but also going after post-separation support and alimony. She believes that after only two years of marriage, she is entitled to collect money from this hardworking, sole-providing father of two young children for the rest of her life, while he is supposed to also care for his children and support them in a separate residence. This man is not of exceptional means; he is the average, hardworking American man. In my opinion, this is a sad and frustrating abuse of the legal system.

I would like to see the laws in this country be consistent from state to state, creating true equality for all. I believe that we all should be responsible for ourselves, and when we are in a relationship, we should focus on building the other up, rather than relying on their full support. This is what makes a real partner and a happy marriage. The kind of support I am referring to is not at all child support or death benefits; those are separate issues altogether. The men and women who solely take care of their children regardless of the relationship or abilities of the other biological parent deserve special kudos. The people I admire and strive to be like have courage, pride and self-sufficiency and could never imagine relying on someone else to take care of them, holding their exes only responsible financially for the care of their children. I believe that growing up in Texas, and being the proud Texan woman I am, has given me the pride and fortitude to develop this belief as well as ability to not only take care of myself, but to be a supportive partner and wife. This reminds me of the old saying, "I wasn't born in Texas, but I got here as fast as I could."

 

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07:49 AM on 08/20/2012
I think this may be true for modern time marriages. However, if there is a situation that one person will stay home to take care of the children for many years, they may have lost the ability to make it financially in the longterm. It is difficult for a person in their 50's or 60's to start their careers and build their future financial security. In circumstances where the working person is making substantial amounts of money and can afford to pay their ex without hardship, they should continue to contribute to their living expenses until that person remarries or becomes financially stable on their own.
06:00 PM on 08/16/2012
This. Is. Good.
02:35 AM on 08/09/2012
Great post and I completely agree. I refused to go for either child support (2 young kids) or spousal when my first marriage ended (my choice) in the early '80s. I worked 2-3 jobs, shared custody of the kids, went back to school and launched a career and became quite happily independent. Second marriage ended (also my choice because I didn't approve of his girlfriend). He hadn't worked for 2 years and had the nerve to come after me for support claiming he had "given up his career" for me (ha!). Fortunately I had a good lawyer and he "only" got a big piece of my retirement savings.

Bottom line: let's teach our kids, male and female, about the value of being able to look after themselves come hell or high water. And yeah, reform those ridiculous antiquated divorce laws.
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April Pells
05:59 PM on 08/08/2012
I too did not seek alimony. I just wanted to be done. I don't see the point of dragging things out.
12:04 PM on 08/08/2012
What's the difference between an ex-wife wanting alimony and a prostitute getting paid for having sex with you? I can't see any...and as for splitting assets, you should take what you brought into the marriage, then only take what you EARNED during the marriage. If one person quit contributing financially and lived off the other, the non-contributing spouse doesn't deserve any portion of what they didn't earn!
05:29 PM on 08/08/2012
really? you don't see a difference? first of all, prostitution is widely illegal... so a person getting paid for sex is the same as an ex-wife "wanting alimony?" spousal support is not you having to pay for all the times you got to have sex w/ your ex before separation. no one is getting paid for all the times they had sex w/ their ex. the point is to prevent financial hardship, and maintain an even standard of living. if a man only pays child support to his ex-wife, what shall she live on? if she can't live and eat, how can she take care of your children? if she gets a job to pay her own way, who takes care of the kids? if the mother is not working so she can raise the children, then you can't say she quit contributing financially & lived off the other. parenting IS a financial contribution; the stay at home parent is providing for free what would cost you thousands to provide through childcare & you still would not get everything a parent provides. when a couple agrees who will work & who will take care of the kids, the stay at home parent is not "living off" of the working parent. they are both working to take care of their family, and each other. I'm so sick of these misogynistic stereotypes; your comment has made me lose even more faith in men. are you all still living in caves?
03:17 PM on 08/10/2012
You are promoting the stereotype that all women are greedy goldiggers, "prayfor4peace2day". You are not helping your cause one bit!
03:15 PM on 08/10/2012
Trust me, leaving a sexless marriage does not give you a break on alimony. The type of wife that denies you sex is the same type of wife that will fight you in court for maximum alimony.
12:43 AM on 08/08/2012
i was told i should be more independent by my ex's girlfriend, who has the same logic as the article. she asked me why i would want money from someone who has hurt me so badly. i am not getting money for pain and suffering, i am getting the support i need to take care of my child. besides, there is no amount of money that can ever erase the pain. she told me about how good she felt after her divorce, when she waived spousal support and started over on her own. But she did not have any children to support. and she did not do it on her own. she was college educated by her parents, and even given an established business by her parents to run. luxuries most people don't have. she could travel clear across the country to start over and further her education and career, with no children to be concerned with. i find it is the most privileged, who judge me the harshest. yes, i want that good feeling, too. but i am not going to put my child at a great disadvantage so i can say i never took a dime from a bastard.
04:01 PM on 08/08/2012
pray4peace2day said: " I am getting the support i need to take care of my child." That is child support. No one has a problem with child support. We are talking about alimony. Totally different! that is an ongoing payment for having been married in the past.
06:56 PM on 08/08/2012
I see your point but they are not different in my personal case. i can't provide a suitable home, feed, clothe, and care for my child with the child support alone. and the amount is determined by the law and the judge. i can't get more child support. the spousal support i receive will go towards our rent, our utilities, our food, our needs, etc. It will all be supporting my child, directly and by supporting me. as i stated in a comment that hasn't posted yet, if a stay at home mother only accepts child support, how will she eat & live? if she can't eat & live, how will she care for her children? if she gets a job to pay her own way, who will take care of the children? in my case, both forms of support help my child. otherwise please tell me where i can rent an apt, pay for gas, electricity, water, and feed my child for what I'm going to get for child support. the land of make believe?
12:42 AM on 08/08/2012
how is it fair to say that women accepting spousal support are being dependent on their exes so they can sit at home and do nothing? being a parent is not nothing, it is everything. it is the toughest job you'll ever love. And do you really think every woman who accepts this support is only doing so in an attempt to make their exes pay financially for their marital betrayals?? how about IT IS THE LAW. How about us who will gladly accept this money to take care of our children? to provide the life Dad is half responsible for, but pays less than half, does less than half... I have to take care of 2 people with the child & spousal support i will get. he will have more than twice that amount to take care of himself. and imputed income is not real income til you actually get hired & paid. In the meantime, that support is all you have. should i use your reasoning and waive support, which will guarantee that my child suffers and we possibly become homeless? why should i be told to live in a trailer w/ my child so my ex can keep his new condo, and girlfriend, and car, and toys, and barhopping, etc... no child should ever be in such a disadvantage, while their father spends freely. everything changes when children are involved.
12:41 AM on 08/08/2012
I would just like to point out that being a stay at home parent is not always a choice. you tell me who is hiring stay at home parents who may have several years since they had an on-the-books-job, and get no credit for all they do in their job as a parent. When it is a choice, how can it not be a choice made by both parents? somehow the mother & father come to a decision about the work and child care arrangements together, but then you place the brunt of that decision on the stay at home parent, in this case, mother. It was her choice alone?? and while i'm at it, every SAHM IS A WORKING PARENT. get paid in hugs & kisses, no retirement benefits, just tired, no 401k, just 4:01am feedings... The purpose of spousal maintenance, in a divorce involving children, is also to keep an even standard of living between the 2 parents. in many cases, like mine, a stay at home parent is given an imputed income, (how much they could possibly earn) and this amount is taken into consideration when determining spousal support. so even when I work, I am still entitled to the same amount of support as is determined now. If i make more than the imputed income amount, then the support adjusts down accordingly.
08:34 AM on 08/07/2012
People need to understand that marriage is a legal contract. If YOU don't decide how things are divided between the two of you, a court one day may, and you may not like the outcome. So if you intend to have marital property you jointly own (you don't have to though), draw up a pre-nup determining how it will be divided if the contract is broken. If the two of you decide to have kids and one of you is going to quit work and stay home, determine a monetary amount that the child care is worth and keep track of it as though it is employment, and put something in writing about how this work is paid for or is equalized in the marriage or will be if a divorce ever occurs. When two people love each other it can seem mercenary to do these things, but the very sad fact of the matter is that many times one person will stop loving the other, and will then only be out for themselves. Make a contract in writing at the time you both are being the fairest you will ever be toward one another and if it ever ends you will BOTH be better off.
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Mike Dehart
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08:09 AM on 08/06/2012
I could agree with alimony is some cases but there would be some severe restrictions on it.
1. Time limited...no appeal. 5 yrs max. That is enough time to get a degree. Its more than enough time to find a job.
2. Capped at the income level at dissollution of marriage. If he/she becomes successful AFTER the fact..you are not entitled to any of it.
3. If there are assets to be divided the amount goes down based on the value of the assets. If you split 100k and you get half why should the other pay you Thier half as well.

Lets face it folks most marriages dissolve not from abuse, but from people just getting either married to young or making bad decisions early that they cannot recover from. Or simply because the couple was incompaitble to begin with. Both sides should get a chance to split clean. Not be financialy beholden unto the other for life. Nor should either be able to use something like alimony as a "revenge" factor.
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Mike Dehart
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07:16 AM on 08/06/2012
Reading the comments it is amazing to me that when the role is reveresed and it is a man paying alimony many have no problem with it. After all he had it coming. But when women, in greater and greater numbers, are forced to pay it...now it a crisis, a scandal, an outrage I tell you.

Welcome to equality ladies.
03:58 AM on 08/10/2012
really?! we have equality?! why wasn't i told? i can't wait to tell my daughter that she will get paid the same amount as a man for the same work!
really though, i see your point about some women thinking it isn't fair to pay alimony, yet think it is fair for men to pay it.
i just don't know what to make of my female relative having to pay child & spousal support to the man who beat the crap out of her. smh...
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09:32 AM on 08/10/2012
There are a lot of men who have divorced abusive spouses that still have to do the same. Equality. We wont even get into the wage gap myth.
02:20 PM on 08/03/2012
I agree with many of the male posters that have said being a stay at home parent/spouse is a choice. THEY ARE 100% correct. It is YOUR choice. It is NOT my choice for him to be home. I have even asked lawyers if I show documentation that I never agreed for him to be a stay-at-home dad, that I have emails and letters I have sent to him telling him that he MUST find employment, I do NOT want to support him, that this is NOT a mutually agreed upon situation, if that matters and they have all said NO. I would still have to pay him alimony until a hearing was held to determine that he is capable of becoming employed and THEN he would have to GET a job before I could stop paying. PLEASE someone tell me how this is fair?? Alimony is NOT fair. As an adult, you know the consequences of not being employed for a long period of time, NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON. Even if it is to raise your children. It is still a choice. If we ever divorce and he is unemployed, or makes less than I do, I am going to have to pay him for a decision he made unilaterally. And for those who ask why I don't divorce him for not finding a job - re-read this post. I completely agree with the statement - cheaper to keep em. Signed, A WOMAN.
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Mollyannie
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07:38 PM on 08/04/2012
I paid spousal support for several years after divorcing my husband who cheated. Additionally, he was awarded the house and everything except my car and my clothes--all that we had accumulated in 22 years of marriage. I knew this would be the case when I filed.

Totally worth it. See my micro-bio: sometimes money costs too much.
04:52 PM on 08/06/2012
Welcome to the world that men have always been living in. Don't expect sympathy from me because I'm sure you never railed against the injustice of it until you were the one getting screwed. Lobby to change the laws if you think its unfair. Now that women are going to pay out to cheating spouses and ones that feel emotionally trapped I am just going to sit back and smile. You want equality and don't want to pay for it. Until more women fight against this injustice nothing will get done. Don't hold your breath though, most women love it the way it is.
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Mollyannie
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07:00 PM on 08/07/2012
@ogomos: I hope you are replying to azur sky and not to my post. If you are addressing me, I would have to conclude you have a severe reading comprehension deficit. If you are replying to azur sky--nevermind. :-)

Fwiw, ogomos: I agree that the law should be apllied equally without regard to sex. Each individual has to decide which he or she values more: money or peace of mind. I have no problem with temporary transitional, rehabilitative alimony--while no one "likes" it, one has to take an objective view of the situation.

Lifetime alimony should be rare in this time in which women have more employment opportunities, etc. Women need to get their heads out of...the sand...and depend only upon themselves. "A man is not a plan" is a good saying.

Both parties should support their children. I would be more in favor of joint custody if I didnt have the sneaking suspicion that a very great number of men want it merely so they can get out of paying child support and not because they really want to spend more time with their kids.

I could be wrong, and this is one instance in which I hope I am.
09:37 AM on 08/03/2012
I have been helping individuals and families make good financial decisions during and after divorce for over ten years in Callifornia. California laws are far less draconian, more fair in my mind, than Texas. "Marriage is an economic partnership, the right to alimony in divorce is payment of the partnership's income interest." This quote was written by an attorney in a HuffPost piece months ago and it resonated with me very well as a one sentence explanation of why alimony exists and should exist. The federal government agrees by the way as evidenced by the Social Security Spousal benefits. The SSA will pay a retirement benefit to a former spouse for LIFE assuming they were married for 10 years. For all of you men who believe stay at home mothers do not deserve support.....There is an increasing number of men filling that role and finding themselves in a position to need support after a divorce these days.
06:08 PM on 08/03/2012
"There is an increasing number of men filling that role and finding themselves in a position to need support after a divorce these days. "

Funny how almost none of them get it, and in the rare instances alimony *is* awarded to a man, it is virtually always in a lesser amount and for a shorter period of time than a woman would get in the exact same situation.

96% of alimony payers are men, while women are the higher earners in 30% of marriages. Could there be any more clear example of gender bias?

Furthermore, alimony is routinely awarded to women in marriages where there are *no* children, and where both spouses have had continuous careers. It is awarded based on an archaic concept that a woman should be supported "in the manner to which she is accustomed" after a divorce. Somehow that never translates to the male side. In fact, Colorado routinely awards LIFETIME alimony in divorces where there were no children and where both spouses worked throughout the marriage, but in the entire history of Colorado family law, lifetime alimony has *never* been awarded to a man. Ever. Only women have ever been awarded the lifetime meal ticket.

As more women *are* forced to pay alimony, the laws will change. Women will not stand for being screwed as badly as men have for decades. Meanwhile, people are swearing off of marriage in droves, as evidenced by the huge decrease in the marriage rates, especially second marriages.
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Mollyannie
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07:42 PM on 08/04/2012
Society changes slowly. Things are better for men than they were. If you see my post above, you will see that I paid spousal support for several years. This was to help him transition--I made more money than he.

Although he cheated, he was, and is, the father of my children.
03:43 AM on 08/10/2012
there is indeed a more clear example of gender bias: women getting denied equal pay for equal work. 78 cents to your dollar, sir. even in 2012. the equal pay act was signed the same year Pres. Kennedy was assassinated. think about it. and because i don't have time to explain the history of the world to you, i just plain give up. men will never know what it is like to be women, and women will never know what it is like to be men... love isn't fair, divorce isn't fair, people aren't fair, life isn't fair & it sucks. there, now you have all been warned.
12:20 AM on 08/01/2012
I think that I would refuse alimony if I got a divorce,but for some different and personal reasons than described in the article. I'm the sort of person who wants to cut all ties once a relationship is over. I would want nothing to do with an ex-husband,even his money. If I had children with him I would still have to put up with him,so why add to it? Why have more to do with him than necessary?
10:47 PM on 07/31/2012
Sometimes alimony is the answer.

Marriage is a partnership. When you dissolve it, you have to make sure you do what it is right and fair to the other person. It's not always as simple as going your own way.

It's not about hate or making someone pay. It's about fairness.

Sure, if a couple has been married a short time and didn't have kids, why pay alimony? But if a couple has been married a long time and one person took time off from work to raise the children, yes, you do have to pay alimony.

I would add that alimony is not the same thing as supporting a person. For normal people, it's not going to be possible to pay that much alimony. Alimony should be a way to share the financial pain so that one partner doesn't end up a lot poorer than the other.
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Indie Mom
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11:10 PM on 08/05/2012
Thank you for this comment. For me, the spousal maintenance was just a few hundred dollars a month for 2 years .. enough to help me pay the mortgage (and when I sell he still gets his 50% of the assets), and cushion the blow of going from a double income household with 3 children living comfortably, to a single income and having to completely re-do our lives in all ways.

It's been 3 years since our separation, and a year since the divorce. Child support has stopped and former husband inherited a home and wealth. I still live in our family home on my limited income and will be forced to sell this year.

After 30 years, and after being told my entire adult life of marriage with him that I would always be taken care of, it's hard to be almost 50 with limited health insurance coverage (his mistress / new wife has it now), putting two through college, no savings and minimal retirement, and trying to maintain the family home that is falling apart so that I can sell and pay him his portion.

There was no fairness for me. None.
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Mike Dehart
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07:36 AM on 08/06/2012
So because he inherited something AFTER you seperated you feel you are entitled to it?You said child support stopped...But judging from The way you said it he paid what he was ordered too. You got the house and 50% of the equity which by your admission he was paying a part of. So child support and spousal maintenance. You are divorced. Why exactly do you feel he should keep paying you or supporting you in any way?


when I read stories like these I still would like to hear his side of it.
06:56 PM on 08/08/2012
Yours is the textbook case for why there should be permanent alimony. There are times when I wonder if the women who oppose alimony so strongly are the mistresses/new wives who want the guy's money for himself.