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Noah Baron

Civil Unions: Worse Than Nothing?

Posted: 01/27/11 08:02 PM ET

Before winter break, I was talking with a friend, when the issue of same-sex marriage came up. We talked about the various ballot measures banning it until, at one point, we both sighed. She said, "we should just get government out of marriage entirely -- everyone should just get civil unions." This has become an increasingly popular opinion among many socially liberal people. They seem to believe that by changing the name of the government-recognized institution, we will somehow be closer to equality, or that opposition to marriage equality will disappear.

Neither of these things would happen. In fact, I believe that abandoning the term "marriage" or jettisoning government involvement in marriage entirely would in fact be a step backwards.

Between 1954 and 1970, as southern states faced the prospect of having to integrate its public schools, many of them instead chose to close them. (They, instead, offered families vouchers for private institutions which were permitted to discriminate.) The problem with segregation, we should remember, was not simply that black schools were often underfunded, but also that segregation served as a badge of inferiority for African-Americans.

In important ways, the situation today, with regard to marriage, is analogous. There is increasing pressure for the implementation of marriage equality: an increasing number of states are granting same-sex marriages, there is a large and growing segment of the population that supports marriage equality, and courts have become more willing to strike down discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people. Just as southern states faced the prospect of integration, Americans now face the possibility of full marriage equality. Furthermore, just as segregation served as a badge of inferiority for African-Americans, the refusal to permit same-sex marriages is undoubtedly marks same-sex couples (and, by extension, gay, lesbian, and bisexual individuals) as deemed inferior by society.

So why is marriage so important? Because marriage has historically carried the stamp of society's approval. It sends a message not just to those lesbian, gay, or bisexual people who want to get married now, but to LGB youth everywhere. The achievement of marriage equality would send a message to gay youth that they are, in fact, welcome in society and that marriage and love and stability are all things that are not reserved only for heterosexuals, but are a possibility for them too.

I am not saying that those who want to separate government from marriage are homophobic. I do believe, however, that if they achieved that goal, life would be harder for all lesbian, gay, and bisexual people. The elimination of the possibility of the term "marriage" applying to gay couples on a federal level would send a devastating message -- much in the same way that the South's abandonment of its public school system sent a devastating message to African-Americans. Eliminating civil marriage would do more than force same-sex couples to rely on (often homophobic) religious institutions in order to get married: rather, it would withdraw the prospect of at last removing society's stigma.

 

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Mag7
Smarter than the Average Dog
11:18 AM on 01/30/2011
It's really just not that complicated -two taxpayers go to city hall and get a marriage license. It's required regardless of a church or civil ceremony and it should be accessible to all taxpayers, and being called a marriage license it infers that you're getting married. My wife and I got one and went the home of the Justice of the Peace and were married in her living room -done deal. Nobody claims we're not married but only "Civil-Unioned", and personally I don't give a hoot what anybody thinks either. It's not the business of any church that pays no taxes and it's not the business of any religious persuasion.
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jcwtts1
Elections have consequences
11:07 AM on 01/30/2011
Your entire premise is flawed, but your intention is correct. You don't want gov out of marriage you want religion out of it. Religion is the only basis for denying LGBT the right to marry. Government is supposed to be constitutional not religious. On its face it is unconstitutional to deny people of the same sex the right to marry, but the supreme court has held that right to marriage is not absolute nor is LGBT protected under the strict scrutiny anti discrimination rulings of the last 100 years. The most recent LGBT federal cases challenge that ruling which was from the mid 80s I believe, but if the supreme hear any of those cases, and they will, the chances right now are that it will be affirmed and LGBT will still be outside of the protection other persecuted groups enjoy. Even in a religious ceremony the person performing the marriage is licensed by the state.

Your argument about separate but not equal is good, but I think a better example of LGBT civil rights is women's suffrage. Women were denied something basic that all men enjoyed. They were denied this for no discernible reason other than it had always been that way. I am hoping we won't have to amend the constitution to pass laws that allow LGBT to marry, but we might.
10:55 AM on 01/30/2011
In the Netherland, it is all civil unions; you buy a license and the authorities provide the ceremony making the union official. How you choose to celebrate that union(ie, marriage) is up to you. In this country you need a license for union to be recognized. The issue isn't about "marriage", it is about official recognition of a union.
10:23 AM on 01/30/2011
Call it what you want, but government defined and legislated "marriage" is, in fact, a civil union.

The government no more defines social approval of sexual orientation than it does of my contract with my landlord. The government legislates. The government defines legal requirements and obligations. The government does not define public thought and sentiment, although public thought and sentiment may define the government.
01:13 AM on 01/31/2011
I got married 31 yrs. ago. Back then marriage wasn't a marriage unless you got a license from the state and signed in front of of a legally sworn agent of the state. He/she could be a pastor or judge or the front desk person. Marriage is just a name Washington state because we are a common law state in this respect. Marriage, Divorce, Annulments, Civil union, Corporate, Sales are all legal contracts between defined individuals and ad-hock groups etc. So I guess I agree.
10:08 AM on 01/30/2011
Civil Unions is an appropriate government response. It is not limited to homosexuals, but can define legal, beneficial relationships of various kinds. Well defined terms result in well functioning laws. I'm not sure if there even is a legal definition of gay. Ultimately, you want something that law can provide - acceptance by the general public.
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dsws
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01:12 AM on 01/30/2011
If the legal term for civil marriage were "civil union", people would still call it "marriage". If the legal institution were the same for everyone, most people would describe gay couples as "married". On that level, it would be a victory for marriage equality.

However, it would be a step away from the idea that government has a central role in expressing the approval or disapproval of society. The action would be to withdraw official stigma, replacing it with official neutrality. For homosexuals, the end result would likely still be acceptance. Time is on their side, because the young don't stigmatize homosexuals the way much of my generation did at that age. Lingering stigma would still be condemned in the media.

However, if this were the only issue on which the government disengaged from the culture wars, it would be seen as a refusal to bestow acceptance, by a government that remained the arbiter of such things. That would be shameful.
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av1drdr
11:30 PM on 01/29/2011
This is not just about society's approval or sending messages. In my opinion, it is also, more importantly, about legal rights. ie: end of life decisions sans a living will, inheritance, spousal insurance, soc. sec. benefits, etc. Marriage should be a decision dictated by the hearts of TWO people. As long as the earth turns, no law will be able to force a heart to feel what it does not feel, but the law can allow those two people their pursuit of happiness with all of the legal benefits afforded all other consenting adults. This should not even be an issue.
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raker
08:57 PM on 01/29/2011
The last part, about forcing gay people into churches to get married...What?? Gay couples are not fighting for marriage equality so they can have a lovely church wedding, it's about legal protections for married couples, and part of the deal is that marriage is a legal contract. Whatever meaning a church projects on marriage is utterly irrelevant.
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Mag7
Smarter than the Average Dog
11:23 AM on 01/30/2011
Agreed. Nor should straight couples be forced into a church ceremony, it's a civil contract and any religious inclusion is purely (and thankfully) optional.
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db08
Embrace each moment, each day
06:10 PM on 01/29/2011
I am...was one of those social liberals who believed that civil unions for all was the answer. Like others, I can always rethink an issue on a more sound basis. Thank you for providing that opportunity. Given your article and the thoughtful comments of many here, I can see that doing away with marriage with all it's legal and social benefits simply would not work. The government should not be in the business of who gets married (except age). It should be in the business of protecting the rights of all adults regardless of sexual orientation to the benefits and protections of marriage.
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xanas
libertarian, voluntarist, anarchist
10:58 PM on 01/28/2011
Unconvincing. The state has no reason to be involved in marriage at all. The state should get out of marriage altogether. Why should anyone receive state favors for having a consensual monogamous sexual relationship? Why should I have to pay more taxes when I have a room-mate just because I'm not sexually interested? It's irrational.

Marriage is a religious or cultural institution. It has no reason for government to be involved with it.
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db08
Embrace each moment, each day
05:58 PM on 01/29/2011
Then you must take away all of the legal benefits of marriage which for the most part protect the children involved.
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xanas
libertarian, voluntarist, anarchist
04:50 AM on 01/30/2011
Absolutely not, even if you never get married there is still child support requirements.
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dsws
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01:24 AM on 01/30/2011
If you and your non-sexual room-mate wish to be able to have each other as default beneficiaries on your insurance, adopt children together, file your taxes jointly, and generally be regarded as one compound entity in your interactions with the rest of the world instead of two separate individuals, then go ahead and get legally married. No one from any government agency has ever shown up to check whether my wife and I were keeping busy in the bedroom, nor whether either of us was getting it on with anyone else. I trust they would give you and your room-mate the same lack of attention.
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xanas
libertarian, voluntarist, anarchist
04:55 AM on 01/30/2011
What I'm questioning is the reasoning of this at all. Why do we need the state to be involved? And even if it doesn't check.. why doesn't it? I don't think it should, but what I mean is if you accept the logic that the state should support marriage on some kind of merits, if it's not checking it's doing a disservice.
08:47 PM on 01/28/2011
I grew up during the struggle for equal rights for African-Americans. At that time, segregationists came up with tactic after tactic to avoid accepting the reality of equality. One of the ploys was the concept of "Separate, but Equal." In a nutshell, they proposed giving schools and services to African-Americans that were separate, but equal -- but, the clear emphasis was on separate. Today, as we gays and lesbians struggle for equal rights, some people -- including some who probably consider themselves doing us a favor -- have come up with the concept of civil partnerships or unions. They say it is a way to provide us some consideration. But, in truth, it is only a way to change the subject in the discussion of actual equality. Civil partnerships -- no matter who endorses them, including the President of the United States -- do not represent equality. An equal rights organization cataloged some 150 benefits and services that were lacking for gay and lesbian couples under the civil partnership arrangements in comparison to those automatically afforded married heterosexual couples. Still, however, some people do not want to confront the possibility of the easiest transformation of all -- that being adopting the simple concept that equal means equal, even with respect to marriage rights. Some states have done it and a number of other countries have done it, and no institutions collapsed and no lives were destroyed. Quite the opposite, in fact. Now, it should be our turn.
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db08
Embrace each moment, each day
06:01 PM on 01/29/2011
We have not always agreed. Bravo...well said! Fav..
07:46 PM on 01/29/2011
Thanks for the comment. As we have discussed before, we probably agree on a lot more than we disagree. I always enjoy hearing your point of view. Stay well ...
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dsws
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01:51 AM on 01/30/2011
The position under discussion is not to continue denying you those benefits and services. No reasonable person defends the status quo on this issue.

The idea is to get government out of the business of sanctifying marriages entirely, for everyone. My marriage would be redefined as a "civil union" in the eyes of the government, you would gain access to exactly the same legal status, and you would still be able to get "married" in the eyes of Unitarians, Quakers, and the United Church of Christ.

It's more like abandoning the "public accommodation" doctrine than accepting full-fledged "separate but equal". Those denominations would perform marriages, but other denominations would continue to discriminate. Likewise, after Brown v Board of Education but before the Civil Rights Act of 64, school segregation had been declared unconstitutional but lunch counters could put up and enforce "whites only" signs. Of course, even if the government calls you "married", under the free-exercise clause the religious groups will still be able to discriminate.
07:30 AM on 01/30/2011
I agree that marriage is a legal arrangement, not a religious one. But, our agreement ends there. Civil unions do not carry the same rights and benefits of marriage legally. They simply do not. I guess you are suggesting changing the law in the opposite direction, to make all marriages civil unions and take religion out of it entirely -- and I certainly have no problem with the latter. I question the former, however. Why change the nature of marriage simply to avoid the issue of granting gays and lesbians the right? Why not simply say equal means equal and marriage means marriage for all?
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Busbydav
02:38 PM on 01/28/2011
Would Bravo have a show called Bethany's Getting Unionized!! It just doesn't sound right. Sigh.
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mercury613
In the blue TV screen light
03:23 PM on 01/28/2011
Probably not. Especially since 6 months later, they'll need to have a follow-up series called, "Bethany's Getting De-Unionized."
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Busbydav
03:50 PM on 01/28/2011
Yes, upholding the sanctity of civil unions lol.
10:39 AM on 01/28/2011
Again with the analogies to the black civil rights movement. These types of analogies turn people off more than they help. For the simple reason that the two situations are not analogous. You don't wear your sexual orientation around the way that you wear skin that is another color.
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rextrek
50yr old, Moderate-liberal in S.NJ/Phila
12:22 PM on 01/28/2011
...TRY explaining THAT to Congressman John Lewis, Julian Bond,and the late Corretta Scott King.....who Equate/and Equated the Struggle for Equality along the same lines.....they weren't and aren't saying they are the same, but the Struggle and Fight for Equality ARE REAL. Interesting..you say "you don't wear your orientation"...really......go to any mall, watch any TV program,read magazines..billboards, etc etc etc etc and Heterosexuals WEAR thier Orientation like a Badge of Honor.
12:59 PM on 01/28/2011
The ignorant might wear it in such a way.
02:21 PM on 01/28/2011
Look at it this way. Maybe you'll understand this, and then multiply it by centuries.

What if we long ago made it ILLEGAL to be black. If found to be black, you could be imprisoned if you were lucky, executed if you weren't, That is what gay people have faced for centuries-- murder, imprisonment, vilification, torture.

And in any case, you would be ostracized and marginalized from non-black society, and perhaps denied employment in a number of fields. No white jury would convict a white person of killing a black man, just like Matthew Shepherd was killed. And don't forget: your family, your marriage don't exist legally. the facts of your life are irrelevant.

Does that sound like anything familiar? Oh, wait a minute. It IS familiar. It has happened consistently to black people in this country, and still happens.

At least as a black person, you have the right to live your life OPENLY as a black person. there are black people to support and nurture you, and give you strength against a prejudiced world.
That is something that has been denied to gay people until very recently, and is still the case in much of the world.

Prejudice is prejudice. Oppression is oppression. It is exactly about civil rights-- the right to be treated without discrimination by your government, and the insistence by our government that society reflect and support the principle of equal treatment before the law.
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wbthacker
Can YOU pass the Turing Test?
01:29 PM on 01/28/2011
I don't see your point. Are you saying it's OK to discriminate against people if you can't easily identify who they are? Consider, you can't tell who's a Christian by looking at their skin, but it's illegal to discriminate against them. You don't hear anyone saying, "Christianity isn't like being black. You aren't born Christian, it's a lifestyle choice."

You're right that most gay people have the option of hiding their sexuality to avoid discrimination, but there are problems with that, too. It means people insult you to your face because they don't realize you're a member of the group they're insulting. A black gay man I worked with once summed it up this way: "As a black teenager I had to endure taunts from bigots about my skin color. But at least my parents always supported me and explained that being black wasn't bad. I also heard homophobic remarks from bigots, and when I got home my parents told me those were true, because they didn't realize I was gay."
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
05:45 PM on 01/28/2011
That is what I believe they are saying. It is only GLBT that have this "lifestyle choice" nonsense thrown at them. Christianity is a "lifestyle choice" being GLBT is not. And I am not going to live a life alone without a spouse because some haters think I should.
10:13 AM on 01/28/2011
Here's an inconvenient truth: Legalizing gay marriage will not result in society as a whole accepting gay marriage. The president doesn't even accept gay marriage.
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Contact1972
Honey Badger Don't Care
10:34 AM on 01/28/2011
I'm sure when they legalized inter-racial marriage society didn't accept it at first. The same will happen with equal marriage. You can see it happening already in Massachusetts. They passed marriage in 2004...5 years later a great deal of people that were against it are now for it because they found out their lives didn't change.
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10:46 AM on 01/28/2011
I don't care if you or other bigots don't like me because of whom I love.

I do care that my government denies me equal protection under the law. We need to overturn laws that requires the government to discriminate against gay Americans.
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Contact1972
Honey Badger Don't Care
11:36 AM on 01/28/2011
As always Jack....you framed it perfectly. Faved.
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elijah24
Ubuntu
03:08 PM on 01/28/2011
How is it that I haven't fanned you before? Well, I have now.
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Leadsled
Love-child of the ghosts of FDR and Napoleon
09:21 AM on 01/28/2011
You seem to miss the point. Getting government out of marriage doesn't mean "The elimination of the possibility of the term "marriage" applying to gay couples on a federal level would send a devastating message," in a vacuum. It is the elimination of applying the term marriage to ANY COUPLE on a federal level.

In your desegregation analogy, calling for getting the government out of marriage isn't like the south's attempts to get rid of public education and replace with white only private schools to fight desegregation, it is instead more analogous to if, when desegregation came, the "whites only" public schools were all shut down and only the previously "colored" schools were left in operation with all students, regardless of race, attending.
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La Elle
At times,even the best of us have to flip the bird
10:08 AM on 01/28/2011
I've never, ever heard that anyone in the government wants to eliminate the term marriage to any or every couple. Do you have any proof to back this up? Since the issue of gay marriage has come up, It's always been those in the religious establishment that believe marriage is between a man and a woman, and they have tried to push their beliefs into government.
Segregation was touted as "separate but equal", which we all know was bogus. If blacks were the same as whites, why did they have to sit at the back of the bus? Or drink from a different water fountain or use a different restroom?
Just like African Americans, gays and lesbians want to be included in 'One Nation with liberty and justice for all' , Not 'One nation with liberty and justice for some'
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Leadsled
Love-child of the ghosts of FDR and Napoleon
11:53 AM on 01/28/2011
Did you read the article? THe entire proposition the article is addressing is having the government completely get out of the marriage game, essentially saying the government only should provide for civil unions. Try reading articles and posts before posting yourself.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
05:28 PM on 01/28/2011
It is the haters who are all for eliminating marriage if GLBT are allowed to share the term. They would rather have a Pyhrric victory than to allow us to share.