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Keep Religion Out of Public Schools

Posted: 01/20/2012 4:46 pm

It seems as if the Florida legislature has crossed a dangerous line. When Sen. Gary Siplin (D-Orlando) proposed S.B. 98, not only did he propose to impede on the religious expression of Florida public school students, but also upon the separation between church and state that I, along with many political advocacy organizations, have worked so passionately to safeguard. Even as a proud Virginian, I take this political stunt personally.

This violation of such a precious separation came in the form of a call to allow Florida school boards to permit student-led prayer. The passage of such a bill, thus, would procure many problems for Floridian students and school officials alike.

S.B. 98 would allow for Floridian schools, after being given permission from their respective school boards, to enable students to lead in prayer. The contents of the prayer would be contingent upon the results of a vote that each respective school would hold.

Am I the only person who is concerned about this potential?

The issuance of such a bill would enable students to endorse a prayer in the name of a single religion. This would inherently be at the cost of students who adhere to religious traditions of lesser popularity. In this regard, S.B. 98 would accomplish, first and foremost, the establishment of exclusionary religious practices in Florida's public school system.

Moreover, the content of S.B. 98 violates the first amendment of the Constitution. As the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled in School Dist. Of Abington Township v. Schempp, 374 U.S. 203 (1963) and Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962), mass school prayer in public schools, voluntary or mandatory, violates the Establishment Clause.

In other words, as Americans United for Separation of Church and State has written, it is not appropriate to vote for the contents of a school prayer as students might vote for officers in class government. In doing so, the administrations of such schools explicitly endorse, in all sense of the word, the creeds of a certain religion over another.

However, the confrontation of a bill with legal precedent does not truly combat the philosophy behind it.

This bill is simply an iteration of an uncomfortable political movement that encourages the marginalization of minority religions in the name of a majority.

In a state such as Florida, where 82% of citizens report adhering to any form of Christianity, it is obvious that the contents of a school prayer legalized under S.B. 98 would contain a Christian leaning. For all of the Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs, and other minority religious groups residing in Florida, such prayer is unfamiliar, but more importantly, potentially slighting. In fact, as many often forget when arguing for the perpetuation of the separation of church and state, many Christians, as well, would be opposed to allowing those of their own faith to publically endorse their religion over others under the permission of such a bill.

As a Reform Jew, I could not imagine being subjugated daily to Christian prayers led by my own peers, or feeling as if I need to leave the room in order to maintain my personal faith. Under the auspice of S.B. 98, many Floridian students would be unnecessarily placed in such a situation.

Simply put, it is imperative that politicians cease to endorse religion in the name of religion. Doing so casts the role of faith, which is an important element in the daily lives of many Americans, in a negative light.

Luckily, several wonderful political organizations such as the Interfaith Alliance, Americans United for Separation of Church and State and the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty work to fight such legislation every day. However, it is important for Americans, as individuals, to relate to politicians that valuing their own respective faiths does not mean that it is necessary to do so at the cost of others. Such actions would upset the work that generations of Americans have executed to protect themselves from the governmental endorsement of religion.

This, I believe, would be quite shameful.


 
It seems as if the Florida legislature has crossed a dangerous line. When Sen. Gary Siplin (D-Orlando) proposed S.B. 98, not only did he propose to impede on the religious expression of Florida public...
It seems as if the Florida legislature has crossed a dangerous line. When Sen. Gary Siplin (D-Orlando) proposed S.B. 98, not only did he propose to impede on the religious expression of Florida public...
 
 
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trekie70
Lifelong bibliophile and political junkie
06:19 PM on 01/22/2012
This is a very troubling effort to turn our schools into centers of religion. Why can't die-hard Christians such as Siplin leave well enough alone? Does he really think it is appropriate to allow student-led prayer based on a vote of the student body, most of whom are naturally going to vote the way they think will be popular? It would be a false result without any merit to it.
07:52 PM on 01/23/2012
Why should you be troubled by prayer? What's it to you? People would be allowed to vote the way they want and it would have plenty of merit for them - though obviously none for you.
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trekie70
Lifelong bibliophile and political junkie
03:08 PM on 01/24/2012
I'm not troubled by prayer. I am troubled by FORCED prayer based on a vote that will naturally favor whatever the religion the majority are, thereby excluding the minority. Ever heard of the Constituion and/or the 1st Amendment? You might want to Google it. P.S. Also try reading the article so that you can comment on it intelligently.
05:42 PM on 01/22/2012
I am fully in support of students being allowed to lead prayers in schools whenever there is a public forum open for speech. But it disturbs me that the school board will be voting on the prayers. THAT is a violation of separation of church and state. When students are allowed to express their religious beliefs publicly without censorship, great. When the school board decides what religious beliefs can be expressed, the government is monitoring religion.
09:07 AM on 01/23/2012
There are two issues represented above. The first, is freedom of speech, which is enshrined in the First Amendment and I fully support. Examples of this might include a student who mentions his or her faith during a high school graduation speech. While I personally find the need to make public proclamations of faith theatrical and unnecessary (there is no need to prove to anyone, aside from God, one's sincerity of faith), the First Amendment clearly protects this right.

Stepping to the podium, and making a public proclamation of one's faith may be the exercise of one's First Amendment right, however, stepping to the podium and calling for a group prayer at a pubic venue is not. The latter is the exercise of religion and that particular aspect of First Amendment rights involves a balancing act between free exercise and the imposition of one's particular flavor of religion upon those who have attended a publicly sponsored function for a reason other than religious expression.

For most of my life, encompassing 5 dozen years, the majority of Americans have understood that for religious freedom to thrive, it is best kept in the personal sphere where there is ample time and opportunity for participation. Imposing religious expression into the public sphere necessarily leads to "government interference."

Let's be smart and keep our expressions of faith where they belong and our freedom of choice is protected: in the private sphere.
BrighterStar
Let Freedom Ring
05:14 PM on 01/22/2012
I don't see any issue with students leading prayers in school so long any student can choose to lead a prayor and no student is forced to participate. Students are not government actors and cannot establish a religion by themselves. Since students are usually legally required to attend school not allowing them to pray could be a first amendment violation.
09:16 AM on 01/23/2012
Anyone can pray privately anywhere and anytime. No religion of which I am aware has ever demanded that all prayer be public and audible.

However, one must exercise common sense. It is not appropriate to disrupt a classroom, thus a student may not burst into the Lord's Prayer or a Bible verse during her World History class, or any other any more than another student may decide to sing "Climb Every Mountain" during algebra. Disruption of a classroom lesson is punishable behavior.

Public schools are tasked with specific responsibilities. Parents are tasked with the spiritual upbringing of their children. Students who share similar religious convictions are free to pray together, or read scripture together OUTSIDE of instructional time, which generally means before/after school. Indeed, many high schools have Christian clubs for that very purpose. Beyond that, any prayer during instructional time must be performed quietly.
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Dr Scott
All I ask is that you make sense
10:47 AM on 01/22/2012
I say let them pray. But make sure that EVERYBODY gets to pray. A couple of prayers to Allah, or better yet - Satan - and this policy will be changed quick.
See, prayer advocates don't want the free exercise of religion, they want to force THEIR religion on everybody else. They are no better than the Taliban.
10:40 AM on 01/22/2012
The history of religion in schools includes American Catholics starting parish schools so their children would not be indoctrinated in "protestantism," for starters.

Efforts to bifurcate Americans into "us" versus "them" are of questionable morality and certainly run counter to the intent of most of the framers of the Constitution. Their was intent to protect the minority from the majority in matters such as personal faith.

Americans enjoy rich spiritual lives, if they choose. Houses of worship of multiple denominations and traditions stand all over the U.S. This past holiday season I observed religious symbols adorning the front lawns of private citizens and churches throughout my community.

There is plenty of time in our private family lives and day for prayer. Laws and policies are nothing more than public theater, and you can be sure my religious convictions to not require theater for legitimacy.

And finally, these efforts to divide, to turn neighbor against neighbor, to create a large and more powerful "us" group to pit against the smaller, ever unpopular "them" have the potential to rip the country apart. Does anyone want this?
12:55 PM on 01/22/2012
Nicely said.
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mflmarlton
Jefferson is my idol
01:52 PM on 01/22/2012
Jefferson could not have said it better.

“I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature would "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and Stateâ€. Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association.

F & F
10:04 AM on 01/22/2012
Very well stated. In no way shape or form should the state be allowed to mandate prayer in public schools. Separation of church and state...period. I recall a school I went to that allowed a a minute of a 'moment of silence' every morning. This allowed for your own 'personal' reflection, not state mandated Religious prayer.
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FrTown
Oh my loving doG!
08:55 AM on 01/22/2012
The Christian right is trying by all means to sneak their Jesus in the public arena. From Xmas to roe to 10 comm. it is sickening at best.
I refuse to live in jesustan.
04:21 AM on 01/22/2012
Why Johnny dresses like a girl has to be taught in the third grade. It ok to be gay in the 3rd grade. Federal govenment is dictating what food will be served. There are so many things that is being forced on local public schools. Which are right or wrong? The choice should be left up to local government. I think they should have a time to pray to what ever god they believe in. The seperation of church and state was against the government having a religion of the country. As england has the church of england. Giving student a few minutes to say a prayer to what ever god they believe in is not making a government religion.
07:02 AM on 01/22/2012
There is absolutely nothing preventing a student from praying to whatever god they believe now. We have enough laws.
07:03 AM on 01/22/2012
Giving student a few minutes to say a prayer to what ever god they believe in is not making a government religion.
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That is not what is being proposed.
02:34 AM on 01/22/2012
Let communities decide what is best for them. This is a local matter, not a federal matter.

And truth be told, the efforts are targeted against Christians. It's demonizing one group. My kids' schools have a lot of non-Christian religious education, songs, and activities in December. No one proposes to remove them.
07:29 AM on 01/22/2012
Not a federal matter?

Are you aware that the Constitution of the United States is a federal document, empowering the federal government to protect citizens' rights all across the country?

Maybe they forgot to teach you that in your "local" school, following "local community decisions"... or maybe you just missed class that day.

Whatever the cause of your unawareness, the fact remains that wherever local government abridges the federally-guaranteed constitutional rights of citizens, the federal constitution trumps and preempts all local law... including that of public school districts, as they are an instrument of government.

As for your well-practiced, well-worn (and totally disingenuous) persecution complex -- "efforts are targeted against Christians," you say -- the line "as you sow, so shall you reap" comes to mind.

That is, if Christians were not the ones who have been so busy trying to force everyone -- by abuse of law -- to adopt a set of beliefs and practices which many find odious and repugnant (not to mention silly), then the effort to repel such attempts at forced belief would not have anything to do with Christians. It is Christians abusing rights, so it is the abusive attacks of Christians which are being put down.

You have nothing to whine about.
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mflmarlton
Jefferson is my idol
02:02 PM on 01/22/2012
So true, so true. F & F
05:55 PM on 01/22/2012
Apparently you have not been to a public school lately. Judaism and Islam are allowed. Bantu religions, Hinduism, and Shinto are allowed. Atheism, Wicca, and "Paganism" are noisily allowed. Buddhism is revered. Only Christianity is treated with suspicion, mocked, and discouraged. This is not disingenuous. It's true.

As for the assertion that there are any groups larger than a fringe minority that are trying to mandate a national religion, this is blatantly false. There are groups who think religion and religious views solely should be banned from public expression and influence over the country's decisions, but that is about as close as it gets.
11:20 AM on 01/22/2012
All pepple are asking is what the Constitution requires: government may not establish or favor one religion over another. It's not Muslims or Hindus or Jews who are attempting to get THEIR prayers said in the schools, it's the fundamentalist Christians. And fwiw, fundamentalist Christianity isn't the same as mainstream Christianity, and their prayres are not the same.

If ANY group attempted to get all students to pray to THEIR god, there'd be backlash as well. As well there should be, since the Constitution specifically prohibits it.
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Sencbull
A growling 99%er on a quest to satisfy my itches
11:46 AM on 01/22/2012
No prayers in public schools; but I have no problems with one semester elective courses providing insight into the various religions.
05:57 PM on 01/22/2012
Allowing students to pray publicly and forcing all students to pray are two different things. What we have now is a system where students can express their views as long as they aren't religious. It would go from bad to worse if students were all forced to pray, but from bad to better if students could say what they wished whatever the content.
02:18 AM on 01/22/2012
I would say, keep your children out of public schools.
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Gottlieb
hated by left since 1973 and right since 1982
12:00 AM on 01/22/2012
Excellent article Noah. I was in parochial school when religion was removed from public schools. I just though they had removed the Protestant God from the public schools but this was just pre Vatican II teaching I heard. If people want a specific religion in their school go to a private religious school of your choice without my tax dollars, otherwise be quiet and accept the need to keep public schools neutral in regard to religion or lack of religion.
11:18 AM on 01/22/2012
I started school in Kansas in 1950 and there was never any religion IN our schools. No prayer, no Bible reading, no discussion of religious beliefs.
01:47 PM on 01/22/2012
These are not YOUR tax dollars. Why should you get to use MY tax dollars? School vouchers is the only fair way to distribute school taxes to parents & let them decide where is the best place for their children to be educated.
04:20 PM on 01/22/2012
School vouchers are not an effective means of anything. You are taking my tax dollars and giving them to a parent who can and will then send the kid to private school, private religious school. There are only so many dollars available for this, and not all kids can partake. It leaves many behind in public schools that need help. The money should not be going to vouchers for some kids, it should be going to benefit all kids in public school. You want your kid to go to private or private religious school? Pay for it yourself.
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Gottlieb
hated by left since 1973 and right since 1982
08:11 AM on 01/27/2012
Why collect taxes for education at all? Let parents pay for educating their own children. This is the only fair way according to your logic.
10:35 PM on 01/21/2012
I would love to see religion out of public schools as well as political feelings and all other non-essential teachings.It seems everyone wants to indoctrinate our young to their own beliefs and feelings. Everyone claims to have scientific proof for their beliefs that you have to start to wonder about science as well.
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Zilo
Independent/Republicans love big government
02:53 AM on 01/22/2012
I agreed until that last sentence.
10:46 AM on 01/22/2012
You don't think that people tweak science to prove a belief or to disprove an opposing belief? A theory is a belief isn't it? Just a few years ago science proved eggs were bad for you then science proved it was just the egg yoke that was bad and then by the use of science they couldn't find anything really harmful about an egg. All three were proven by science.
07:32 AM on 01/22/2012
Science has no connection with, or relation to belief... science deals with verifiable reality, while belief doesn't.
06:00 PM on 01/22/2012
Well, if you start with a definition of "belief" as "not dealing with verifiable reality", that sentence makes sense, but that's not the same thing that most people are referring to when they talk about their religious beliefs.
10:34 PM on 01/21/2012
Noah, kudos on a beautifully written, well researched piece, and a wisdom beyond your years. Well done!
10:00 PM on 01/21/2012
Allowing religion in the public schools has done nothing for religion in Europe.
06:02 PM on 01/22/2012
Since when is religion allowed in European public schools? I mainly hear about France, of course, where students aren't allowed to wear anything that hints at their religion (bad for students of all faiths but particularly adherents of those, like Islam, that require specific dress).
10:21 PM on 01/22/2012
In Ireland the public school system is run by the Catholic Church. In the UK it is mostly run by the Anglican Church with other churches able to open their own schools as long as they follow the curriculum. These are the public schools. I've lived there, I know.
09:56 PM on 01/21/2012
I go to church and my children went to church. They didn't need to get any religious instruction from their schools nor did they need to pray there. People who want religion in the public schools are people who can only feel "religious" if they're bullying others. They are also very short sighted by assuming it would be THEIR religion that is taught. Things change.
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Gottlieb
hated by left since 1973 and right since 1982
12:08 AM on 01/22/2012
Catholics had their own parochial schools which I attended since Catholics were still not accepted as real Christians. Church is a good place to keep religion but performing service to others without claiming it is our Christian duty or proselytizing is living our faith. Service to others is inclusive without regard to religion.
07:10 AM on 01/22/2012
Your comment "Catholics were still not accepted as real Christians­" is the problem with religion in politics and school. Which "Christianity" do people want in public schools? The Calvinist's don't consider the Catholics or Southern Baptists "true Christians". The Wesleyan's and Southern Baptists don't consider the Calvinists "true Christians". The Charismatics suspect all the others are lost. If you want to start a religious war in our communities then institute prayer to your particular "Christian God" and the other Christian flavors will raise "hell". Been there done that.......