Hooked on Hillary
I would like to put myself among the growing chorus of people demanding that Hillary Clinton withdraw from the election. I don't really think it's fair to ask her to withdraw, and I certainly don't believe she's going to; she'll hang in there till the last dog dies, or till she runs out of money, whichever comes first. I'm not asking her to withdraw because I prefer Obama, and I don't think she should withdraw "for the sake of party unity," or whatever current bromide is being flung at her to get her to pull out. I think she should withdraw because I'm losing my mind.
Don't get me wrong, this primary election has been swell. Like Michelle Obama, I feel proud of my country for the first time in a long time. I loved Dennis Kucinich, and I had a big sneaker for Chris Dodd. But now that we're down to two contenders, it's turned into an unending last episode of Survivor. They're eating rats and they're frying bugs, and they're frying rats and they're eating bugs; no one is ever going to get off the island and I can't take it any more.
I am particularly sensitive to this because I'm a woman of a certain age, and this means that part of the pie that passes for my brain contains a large slice called Hillary. I've been thinking about her in a fairly pathological way ever since 1992 and dreaming about her as well. She is me, and then again she's not. I used to love her and I no longer do, but unlike what usually happens when love dies, I still think about her far too much. When she tells a big lie, like her recent Bosnia episode, I can lose hours trying to figure out why. I mean, why? Was it one of those things that she'd said so often that she'd come to believe it? Was it a story that had worked in the past so she thought she'd gotten away with it? Did she honestly think that no one would rat her out? Does she not understand that if you're famous, there's almost nothing you do that someone doesn't have a picture of? I have no idea what the answer is to any of this because I'm not a liar and she is. (By the way, I don't think she was always a liar, the way some kids are born liars and never get over it. I think she was once a truthful person and her lying skills were forged in the early years of her marriage, forged in the crucible of Bill's infidelities and in her role as point person in dealing with them. This is what happens when you marry a narcissist: he spills the milk, you clean it up and your love grows. And then you end up a liar, just like him.)
But the point is that it doesn't matter why Hillary lied; what matters is that I'm hooked on Hillary and on the Rorschach process that defines my relationship with her: she does something, I spend far too much time thinking about it, I superimpose my life and my choices onto hers, I decide how I feel about what she's done, I bore friends witless with my theories, and then, instead of moving on, I'm confronted with yet another episode of her behavior and am forced to devote more hours to developing new theories about her behavior. I don't have time for this.
I understand that asking Hillary to withdraw from the race has more to do with me than it does with her, but that's my point.
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I got caught in a gang-fight crossfire once, walking through the Tenderloin in San Francisco - I have NEVER forgotten it. Similarly, there is NO WAY, if it had NOT happened, that I could have MISSPOKE and accidentally recalled that it DID!
The cause she is advancing is the Financial and War Criminals whose evil schemes she provides the perfect distraction from noticing. She is counting on their need for her to keep her name in the news, while the reality of this country's corruption remains concealed. Congratulations for the good work, Clintonites.
It's exactly people like you who find fault with Hillary and none on Obama, If you would do some research and pay attention to the canidates and not the media you would see how many lies Obama has told. But you won't do that, you drank the Obama-DNC GRUELAIDE, you pick on Hillary and let Obama slde, If obama wins the nomination I will be voting for McCain, because of Liars like you Nora. If Obama wins he will be destroyed!! I can't wait!!
Nora is proof that misogynists are female as well as male. She is under the delusion that Obaama has the Wright stuff.
you are sooo clever.
I have one question to ask...
DO YOU THINK THAT REV. WRIGHT HAVING SERVED HIS COUNTRY HAS EARNED THE RIGHT TO CRITICIZE HIS COUNTRY?
Obviously, you don't knowsbetter. Obama has survived Billary's Tonya Harding-style kneecapping and frequent and broad critique across the media spectrum. I don't think that he's perfect, just that he has the vision and personal attributes to be a great president. Go ahead and vote for McCain. It won't matter. Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States.
Ha, I am laughing hysterically at you. If Obama wins the nomination I will be voting for McCain. You're no democrat! You're a bitter, angry Hillary Supporter who can't save the party, or the country, because you are blinded by your insistance that it's Hillary (and your ego) or NOTHING!!!!
People like you scare me, because people like you would rather see this country destroyed.
Dear Knowsbetter;
Please don't vote for McCain.
Besides the fact that he is a warmonger who thinks nothing about keeping more of our troops in the middle east to die horrible deaths or come home maimed and forgotten, think about the Supreme Court. He could place more repubs on the S.C. and then where would we all be????
He's also way too old! We don't know who he will have as a running mate, but chances are they will be taking office once he passes away or is asked to step down due to senile dementia and we won't know a thing about them!
I keep hearing that Obama is as bad as Hilary, but I haven't seen it. Ms. Clinton seems much less a gentleman than Obama. It is her apparent willingness to throw the democratic party and the country's increasingly fragile future under a bus that makes her withdrawl an issue.
In the end, I think both of them have private alliances that will prevent them from serving the people very well. He's more inspiring, and she's scrappier. The very fact that fans of each are are now willing to throw the country's future under a bus out of hatred for the other is quite dispiriting. This is far too important to decide on the basis of race or gender.
This is the latest story to swiftboat Clinton. Never mind that it is a non-story, and never mind that Obama has made bigger gaffes with dimmer klieg lights.
I like you Nora, but you are not in a position to suggest Hillary drop out. And yet, if you are on Arianna's site, it is a requirement. I see where the HUFFPO is now hounding the superdelegates to undo Clinton. Nice touch for the democracy.
I believe you should hook up with Mike Medavoy. The mega producer who has passed on more great movies and the ones he is involved in when the truth comes out talent could not stand him. Greed is bad. Going for Obama is going for the greed. Stick with Hillary. That is who you were behind originally and learn to stand behind your decisions.
Thank you.
WHY DID YOU USED TO LOVE HILLARY? What I find funny is that you now love Obama. Please. Stop going along with what is hot at the moment. Stand behind your decisions. LEAD, FOLLOW OR GET OUT OF THE WAY. Oh...you are following.
Seriously. Why are you not for Hillary any longer? She is the same person she always was. Why then should anyone care what you think? Now that you are for Obama your track record leads one to believe that you will not like him anymore down the line. Favoring the next person to save us!
Ha, funny that you're guilt tripping Norah Ephron because she dumped Hillary!!!!
Oh yeah, the same old tactic, shame and admonish! Forget about reality, forget about what's really happening. Funny.
I don't think she is saying she is for Obama. She is saying I believe that she has grown tired, grown tired, grown tired.
Perhaps it is BECAUSE Hillary is the same person she always was - just that the light came on and it became overtly apparent just what Hillary really is.
I agree that she should withdraw. I hope more people will read this.
Oh, the unbelievable lightness of being, Ms. Ephron.... Let's stand up and be counted--
* all those women who never lied (shall we count those who have competed against men that have lied shamelessly but were never held accountable?)
*all those women who left their husbands as soon as they realized that they had cheated on them
*all those women who felt superior to Silda Spitzer when she was forced to "stand by her man" because of cultural demands
*all those women who profess their feminism but offer their catty remarks to a fellow competent woman
*all those women who are all for democracy but are ready to toss democratic processes aside when it's inconvenien for them, betraying all other women who have seen their men sacrificed in the name of democracy on the Iraq and Afghanistan battlefields
*all those women who delight when Chelsea Clinton is asked incredibly stupid questions about Lewinsky ,and smirk when she is forced to pick one parent over the other
*and, finally, all those highly educated women who will vote for an African American male before they even consider to vote for a woman because it makes them feel good about themselves--they do not care about race, you see, they just care about who is the best--even if the best is not as good or better as the woman candidate.
Do we have a looong way to go--and for part of it, we have to thank you, Ms Ephron...........
Isn't it the "unbearable lightness of being.."?
Clearly Obaama has the Wright stuff to fool people like Nora. When he is running against McCain, however, the Repugnants will finally force the voters to take a look at him. Barbara Walters may say he is sexy, but he will fail the test when the Repugnants remove his clothes.
Oh, I'm sure he's VERY sexy without his clothes.....
All people lie. All the time. Most of us at least six times a day, I've read. At least she's not talking about her neck and feeling overweight because she wants to lose two pounds! That would be shallow.
I heard that the respondents to that study were self-proclaimed liberals.
"and, finally, all those highly educated women who will vote for an African-American male before they even consider to vote for a woman because it makes them feel good about themselves--they do not care about race, you see, they just care about who is the best--even if the best is not as good or better as the woman candidate"
That is a joke, right? Say you don't truly believe that!
You are as shallow as they come if you really believe what you say. Us "highly educated women" have done our research and weighed all the issues both candidates offer. We have made a very education decision in voting for Obama. He is the best - Hillary cannot come close to comparing to Obama.
You really need to get out of the asylum more often to see what is going on in the outside world.
"You really need to get out of the asylum more often to see what is going on in the outside world."
There you go again bailey2006!
She voted for the war in which thousands are dying needlessly. She should have speak against it, over and over, as a woman and a mother. Instead she acted like a calculated politician she is. Don't expect much compassion from me for Hillary Clinton. Our children deserve better.
This is getting so old. Sen Obama was not a US senator at the time, non less than a senator from NY, who lost 3000 family members and friends. He was a man running for the US senate and didn't have to make that vote. Had he been in the senate he may have voted present to avoid making a controversial vote as he did in Illinois legislature. The speech he made was made in the most liberal county in Illinois when he was running against crazy Alan Keyes. Some risk......hardly. Even he has said he didn't know how he would have voted had he been in the Senate when the vote was taken. Judgement?, that sure doesn't take much judgement to give a speech in a liberal counting in a unchallenged election, but he sure has milked it for the max benefit. BTW, he considered the Kyl/Lieberman amendment so important he didn't even go back to the senate to vote. I think Saint Obama is one big phony opportunist.
This HATRED, this hateful bludgeoning of Hillary Clinton by so many in these blogs, in the press is profoundly distressing and over the top.... irrational! Look at what is being said - my gawd folks, we've got to get a grip - grow up - be responsible for own feelings and how we/you act them out on others!! HATE is a crime! And clearly a reflection of what is going on inside of us as a people.
IT IS NOT OKAY to take it ALL out on Hillary Clinton? Not to mention the racist and hateful (sometime) comments about Barack Obama! AND YET, I SEE SO MANY people - voters, blogs, writers everywhere who are willing to STAND UP FOR AND BEHIND in order to protect Barack Obama from HATE!!!! GREAT - it's the right thing to do but THOSE same people need to be doing this for HILLARY CLINTON! STOP making bloody chopped liver out of Hillary Clinton and all the women she represents in this world?
What is it that you think Hillary Clinton has done to YOU personally? Or this country? it's irrational and we need more voices of outrage!? The EXPRESSION of HATE is criminal and it's growing here in this country and around world! What are WE ALL going to do about it?
Well I think many will disagree.
THe Clintons have fallen out of favor as Obama's star rises. Obama's star was not supposed to rise, he wasn't suppose to do so well and how dare he? He repeatedly rises above each challenge and frankly people respond to that.When he looses in New Hampshire he makes a phenomenal concession speech that is a catalyst for the "Yes I Can " video.It inspired millions.
He gets slammed over comments his pastor made he turns around and delivers a historic speech on race;doing the unprecedented and speaking to Americans as if they are interested in healing the racism in this country. No blaming no excusing no dancing around the issue.
Hillary attacks and frankly is reaping what she sowed. Regardless of your preference we can be detached and see the striking difference in how they each respond to the tough challenges.
Historic speech? I noticed we are no longer talking about race, just the speech. As I said in another post, I read some of the sermons. Obama should have defended him and tried to explain why he found him inspiring. The Reverend Wright did go over the top but overall he makes good points and I do not agree with Obama that his former pastor is stuck in an earlier time. He (Wright) uses stereotypes that make me uncomfortable but I recognize the brilliance and he deserved to be defended, not abandoned. Based on Hillary's comments, I doubt she read the sermons but even if she did, I doubt she could acknowledge the greatness in them without committing political suicide. We're talking about race? I think not. Obama missed an opportunity. Real courage would have been inviting his former pastor to a meeting with Hillary and other top leaders, opening a real dialog and then the leadership of the democratic party talking to Americans about the only really serious problem this country has ever had (race). Instead we pretended to talk about it and went about our business.
Hillary is not representing women anymore than Barack. Many of us defended her for many years and can no longer do that. My wife and I just can't believe anything she says. If she somehow ekes out a victory over Obama, we will be heavily liquored up come first Tuesday in November, and probably vote for her.
I, too, once admired Hillary and no longer can. I never suspected that she was so capable of manipulating everything and anything to win. Party rules, her role in the Clinton White House, her pro-war votes, the NAFTA flip-flop, the plain, simple truth. She has twisted and manipulated everything. She cried in New Hampshire and won. Now she puts her self forward as a tough fighter. What and who is she? She's starting to fighten me. I can't down enough liquor to vote for her. If she's the Democratic candidate, I'll be sitting at home on election day , crying in my beer, and failing to exercise my precious vote for the first time in 45 years.
Women supporters feel that she personally is advancing their cause, whatever that means. I am a woman, but I don't like how she is playing the victim card. I don't like to consider myself a victim of anything, or anobody.She should appeal to women's best qualities and strenghts. Instead, she makes women feel weak, abused, angry. This does a disservice to feminists, since it only makes them appear as a frustrated segment of the population, seeking revenge.
When she tries to play the "I am strong" card, she does it by misspeaking on her trips abroad. What is the message for women? You can be strong only if you lye?
Its truly sad that such intelligent and capable woman couldn't appeal to EVERY woman with a different message.
Hate is too strong a word. Try dislike or disdain. Why do I and so many others dislike and disdain HRC? First, it has nothing to do with her gender. That is so last century. If you don't get this, please upgrade your system and reboot. It is rather because moral people of both genders and all races disdain people who lie and pander.
What has she done to this country? She voted in favor of the Iraq invasion, which has become the worst foreign and domestic political disaster in our county's history; no need to elaborate.
If she didn't know in 2002 that it was the wrong war at the wrong time against the wrong country, as most educated people knew, then she is a fool. If she DID know but voted in favor anyway, she is much, much worse than a fool: She is a cold, calculating, narcisistic cynic who sold her soul for purely political purposes, and she has the blood of 4000 dead US soldiers and countless Iraqis on her hands.
She is not qualified to be President of the United States. If you want a female to win the office because you are hung up on gender and identity politics, there are countless more qualifed, more electable female candidates to hitch your star to.
By the way, dwt. Do you remember that 80% of the people of this the United States wanted that war - 80% of the people "We the People" were insisting that we go to war and those FEW of us who did stand up against the war were called TRAITORS? Now if this is about "We the People," and this is about being a democracy - then here - I ask a very valid question. When 80% of "We the People" speak and say "go to war!" Should we go to war? Isn't that what a democracy is supposed to be about? Do the politicians work for US or NOT? What message did YOU send to the politicians at that time? Were you possibly one of those 80% who wanted war and called the rest of us 20% traitors? Would you have then called Hillary Clinton a traitor? Just curious....
Sorry, you can only lose if you insist on playing the victim and frame everything as a misogynist attack. Come on, lavisiter, that's JUST PLAIN LAME!!!!!
In response to your comment ---- I tried to post only a FEW of the truly HATEFUL and yes many happen to be misogynist attacks spewed on Hillary Clinton in blogs and in the media .......NO CANDIDATE in history - not even Obama - has had such horrors railed against them. Maybe the worse one on the list was when South Park had a bomb put up HRC's V? No in "reality" that's not misogynist, is it XCitizen? (See your post below) But HP doesn't seem to want to publish that post or that horrific LIST! I suppose I don't blame them - because that's just re-enforces how HORRIBLE they are......As for your curious comments - I don't know you from Adam or Eve - and I surely didn't call YOU personally out for being hateful! So what's up with that? So your point a about my post - "that's JUST PLAIN LAME!!!!!" Does that mean your trying to "shame and admonish" me (see your old post below) for simply doing SOME PART in trying to stop the HATRED that is so rampant in this society and in this current world of wars - need I make a list of countries?
YOUR COMMENTS ON A PREVIOUS POST TO SOMEONE ELSE:
Oh yeah, the same old tactic, shame and admonish! Forget about reality, forget about what's really happening. Funny.
Hillary is human. Everyone on this post knows they have not remembered an event accurately in their own lives at one time or another. However, it is hard to ignore a twenty year case of amnesia at the pew of a racist.
It is one thing to forget some details of an event. It is quite another to REMEMBER events that never happened. Second regarding your rant about "twenty year case of amnesia at the pew of the racist."
1. Please offer direct evidence to what Wright said that was racist or even incorrect. You have a strange idea of racism if you think that a marine veteran should have no right to criticize his own government for keeping its people down.
2. Obama never said that he forgot what Wright sermoned. Reverend Wright delivered 3 sermons just on Sunday alone. Obama did not listen to all sermons that Wright delivered. Obama admitted that Wright said things that were controversial at times. But he was not there for the comments that are in question. Obama perceived Wright to be a good man affected by the history of slavery.
3. How on earth do you know what Reverend Wright said for 20 years in his church based on a 30- second-endlessly-looped soundbyte? Do you really think that if someone took the 5 stupidest things you have ever said and played it repeatedly, then it would be an accurate expression of you? Are you that gullible , easily manipulated, or that full of hate? Or are you just a paid troll?
4. This topic was on Nora Ephron's reaction to Hillary's lies. What was it about this topic that made it difficult for you to stay on the topic?
Obama knew exactly what the Reverend Wrigth was about. He cleverly told the Reverend way before he went into the nomination process that he would have to distance himself from him because his sermons would be known someday. I can't believe some people think Obama is innocent here.
As far as Clinton making up a story about the airport incident, I wish someone would check out what really happened. I was reading somewhere that someone accompanying her on the flight had said that the pilot came over the PA system and warned the passegers to put their vest under their seats in case of enemy fire from below and at the next instance the plane made some avoiding manuvers when landing. So I want to know what part of the scenerio did Hillary remembered or kind of stuck with her.
You're a prime example of what the jbsouth means. Obama good, Hillary bad. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that if Wright preaches hate in one sermon, he will most likely preach hate in others. Wright was not speaking as a marine veteran. He was using his role as a religious leader in his sermons. The role of a religious leader is to foster faith and love for God, mankind and their religion, not to promote their political ideas or opinions. If Wright wants to change policy, he should run for office. To think that Wright's church does this openly and tax free is unbelievable.
Everyone says stupid things. But if you are a Minister of faith giving a sermon to your congregation, recording that sermon so others can see/hear it, disseminating it over the internet for the world to see, you have to be responsible for all of your words. I'm sure bin ladin isn't worried about context and intent. He's probably using it to recruit ever more suicide bombers.
As far a Hillary's remark is concerned, there were threats that day. If you're landing in a war zone and directed to keep your flack vest handy it's for a very good reason. You can't hear gunfire over the engine sounds of an army transport.
BRAVO trinity29!
I have taken the time to read several of his sermons (the text version). He is wrong on some things. He makes me cringe on others. All in all he is a brilliant scholar with a tendency towards fiery rhetoric. He is not stuck in the past, he just is flat wrong on some issues (and I' sure he would say the same about me)
Obama should have defended him, Hillary should have gone to talk to him. So should have John McCain.
This was a missed opportunity to really discuss race in America. Really sad. Who is to blame? We are. We argue over trivial details of candidates memory or who they talked to and why. Who disrespects whom the most. Honestly discuss race when an opportunity arises - oh my god, quick, give a speech, everyone bless it and back to business as usual as quickly as possible.
So do I consider Obama a traitor for deserting his pastor? No, I probably should but a politician can do no good if not elected and if he supported his pastor, we (many of us anyway) would have abandoned him. Remember both Hillary and Barack are good people and either would make a good president. Please see them as human, warts and all. Whichever one wins, they will be much better for this country than John McCain (who is also honorable and deserving of respect but just plain wrong).
White people created AIDS to infect the black community...
Pretty incorrect from where I stand.
Let's try the racist part (we'll accomplish this with a strategic replacement):
Black people created AIDS to infect the gay population.
Yep, that's racist alright. And all we had to do was replace two words.
You're an idiot. Please don't have children.
Ouch, you had me in the beginning jbsouth. Nora, all I can say is I understand...
Yeah, well. I'm pretty sure I would remember every time I was shot at, no matter how long ago (in her case,: never).
I've also spent my entire life around racists and not become one...so what's your f&^kin' POINT?!
Did you willingly immerse yourself in their racism? I mean did you choose to go somewhere you didn't have to go? Did you later tell people that had you heard offensive statements that you would have made your displeasure known, only to later be found to be a liar?
Obama is a liar, thief and racist. Always has been, always will be. "All politicians lie" you say? Well, I thought Obama was different. CHANGE, HOPE NOT LIKE THE REST. Those are his statements.
Anyone with the slightest shred of intelligence must admit that Obama is a liar. To do otherwise displays either an amazing lack of thinking skills or willful ignorance.
Anyone who refers to what Rev Wright said as "racist" really doesn't know any Black people very well. Oh sure, some of your best friends are Black, like your cleaning lady and your kids' nanny and the guy working at the office cafeteria whose name you always forget. But if you ever lived in a truly diverse community and had your hair cut at the local barbershop instead of at an uptown salon, attended the homecoming celebrations of friends who died, and worked in the back of the building where people get their hands dirty instead of up front at a desk with a bunch of White college types, you'd know that Rev. Wright is but one of many with those views. You'd also know of the saying "Don't hide behind your sheet," which is the reason many Black people often prefer true racists like Pat Buchanan to secretly bigoted Limousine Liberals like Hillary Clinton. At least one of them is honest.
It's your own fault, Nora, for roaching out on Survivor. Don't you know television makes you stupid?
Hillary doesn't watch herself on YouTube, like the rest of us do. She deals with her past in the past tense, and it grows dimmer as she moves on. Deal in two more factors, and you've got what looks like lies, but I think is more accurately characterized by a simple fading of her relationship with bare fact, even as her relationship with her nominal husband must have faded long ago, in real terms.
The first of those factors is a politician's tendency to embroider her resume, and the second is an unfortunate perception that the rest of us are as disinclined as she is, to look into the realities underlying her would-be presidential utterances.
When she said those things, she half-believed them herself, and she thought that was enough. Americans are stupid (not native-stupid, mind, but tv-stupid), and politicians live on that, chart it, and point it out in conference calls.
It must have come as a rude surprise, that someone was actually paying attention.
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(zzztt!) this is your brain on tv.
Hopefully a good loss for Hillary will help her regroup and get back part of her that once meant something.
Nora,
I have been a big fan of yours but I am thinking too much about you right now. You make a good point. How can anyone who has been in the public eye for so long make the critical error of lying to the public about something that can be visually verified? Well, the answer is they would not lie about something that is verifiable and, if that is the case, perhaps you are spending too much time trying to figure out something that is simply a slip of memory. I cannot tell you how often I share memories with friends or family when one of us remembers it one way and another remembers it another. Sometimes, memories can play tricks on us so that certain events may become identified with another. We humans tend to fill in our memories just like our eyes fill in our perceptions when something is uncertain or missing.
Nevertheless, do you also spend time asking yourself why Obama would claim legislation that others sponsored? Do you wonder why he "lied" about (misremembered) how his parents met? Do you ask why Obama never claims to know what the people closest to him have said or done? Methinks you, like many others, have selective memory and selective loyalty.
Its one thing to remember events inaccurately. Its another thing to REMEMBER events in first person like you were actually there when it happened and reassure people that it really happened that way when the said event NEVER happened. I think people would be forgiving of Hillary if she forgot a detail. She actually invented information and insisted that the information was true and had her daughter back her up with that information too. She also made fun of Sinbad when he said that no such thing happened as Hillary claimed.
If I forget a memory and someone reminds me that I am probably making a mistake, I usually take a pause and reflect on it and then say, oh yeah, i am getting old, you are right. I must have gotten it mixed with something else. Hillary didn't. She got aggressive, dismissed Sinbad's first hand accounts, got her daughter to lie, and only conceded after she got caught red handed. The mockery is well deserved when you one tries to cover up lies with more lies.
Thank you suprshrink.... I think you might be.
I have also been taking into account that as the plane is entering into the air space to land she is being told that there may be sniper fire at the plane, when they land they will have to run for it, heads down. Keep in mind she also has her daughter with her. I'm sure you would have to have adrenaline pumping and visualizing what you will have to do, how you will have to move etc. I would think just the fear would embed the "memory" into your psyche and perhaps conflating it with reality.
If it were me I know I'd have PTSD!
Not only Pol's embroider, everyone does in order to make the story more dramatic, or funnier, or to prove a point, and because memory is just odd. This was 16 years ago. As you mentioned how many times do you talk about an event or incident that happened with the people who were involved and there are at least 2 or 3 differing memories.
The one thing that strikes me about this is the intellectual dishonesty. How can people who claim Clinton is so politically savvy, so calculating and still think she could just flat out lie on something she would understand could be refuted?
Perhaps you missed out on the Pilot's recollection of that flight and landing!!!!
"Colonel William "Goose" Changose, the pilot who flew Hillary Clinton into Bosnia, Rusty Humphries' question: "She said she was told to sit on her flak jacket."
"I remember that in Apocalypse Now they sat on their flak jacket. Nobody under my watch has ever directed somebody to sit on their flak jacket. No evasive maneuver. The commander of Air Base Eagle, he had that place -- and not only weren't there bullets flying around, there was no bumblebee flying around. It was really impressive. He had -- he had tanks pointing all the way around the perimeter, he had ground troops everyplace. He had helicopters in the air, making sure that nobody -- you know, for any ground movement. You know, if there had been sniper fire going on, first of all, we wouldn't have landed. Number two, we wouldn't have let her outside the plane."
Now, do you think that the Pilot of that airplane is a liar? And you think the Bosnia girl is a liar? And you think the video has been tampered with and edited out all the "dangerous" portions?
If you do, please tell me what you are taking, cause I would like to partake of same.
Dodging bullets is NO small detail to forget. I agree with you, we might forget incidents in our life, or have a different recollection, but being chased by bullets is not one.
Well then how about being a Senator of a small district where 11 buildings owned by a developer are in disrepair even after he received millions of dollars you helped to get him and yet the renters of those building froze from lack of heat. Oh and he had no money but was able to give to your campaign. Would your memory fail you then? Apparently Obama's has.He said he didnt know.
Having been told by the pilot there might be sniper fire might have been part of her misspeak. It was a war zone, and she was the first 1st Lady to visit a war zone since Eleanor Roosevelt. No one cuts Hillary any slack, and this story that shouldn't have had any legs has been repeated over and over in blogs and by the MSM; meanwhile Saint Obama gets a pass on his lies like "in 20 years of church going and mentoring by the Rev. Wright, I never heard his say any of those hateful things." That wasn't misspeak or embellishment.....that was a d*mn lie to cover his arse.
Suprshrink,
Your comments are right on. Hillary Clinton is very smart. There is no way she would have intentionally lied about something that could be proven to be inaccurate. She just did not remember it as accurately as she should have. It was 12 years ago. If any of us were working as hard as she has been in this campaign, we would have difficulty remembering unimportant details of a long ago trip, as well. Besides, what is so important about this story, anyway. Will it keep us from getting universal healthcare, will it keep Hillary from putting any of her numerous plans to help the economy into effect?
Grow up, Nora Ephron. Please reorganize your priorities. This story is VERY UNIMPORTANT ON A ANYBODY'S SCALE OF VALUES.
In recalling something from our past, we might remember it differently - forget to mention part of what happened, slip up on a date or age, etc.
But we don't add to what happened.
Sorry, your explaination does not hold water.
See my other post, yes we can add if that's what we believe. The brain is designed for survival, not accuracy - there is a huge difference, believe it or not.
Nora, I know exactly what you mean. Women are held to higher standards. Ginger Rogers said it best' "I did everything Fred did only backwards and in high heels".
Nora: Bravo for your heartfelt honesty. These are hard times for supporters of both camps. You have opened up a window for the rest of us who are struggling to accept the outcome, whatever that maybe..
Nora, I liked your piece this time! At the risk of seeming patronizing, it's great to hear you growing in self-examination. You're ON to something that's BIGGER than anything in this election - especially considering we seem to choose our candidates by how we FEEL!
I don't know if Hillary lied. You seem so certain so can't we all forget? I see no exceptions - we all characterize our truth in creative ways; OMISSION is most common a lie of all. And why no comment on the seeming untruths of Barack Obama; like after 20 years of participation in his church he didn't know what his reverend was preaching? This election seems to be reflecting and unearthing a whole lot more in and about US...and what we hate about ourselves - rather than the candidates.
I see myself all over the place as it relates to Hillary Clinton. I can be so disappointed in myself (in her at times) so angry (at her- at me), so hurt (about her) that I/she/we haven't made more progress as women after all these years of effort; that my life doesn't have more balance; that I haven't yet slayed all the dragons! It's painfully humbling to be human. And I've seen no exception!
Let's do be careful of that hateful dagger - they are like boomerangs (as in your dreams); that hate comes right back to bury itself in our own sweet and perhaps unexamined but deserving hearts.
How is it that you don't know Hillary lied? She claimed events that happened that NEVER happened. She dismissed Sinbad and got her daughter to support her. There is not a shred of truth to what she claimed. Its not an issue of missing a few details. Its an issue of making the whole thing up.
Obama never claimed that he didn't know what his preacher was preaching. In fact he said that he was aware of his preacher being controversial at times. However the preacher did many sermons, 3 per day on Sunday alone over the 20 years. Obama was not there for all of it. Neither did the 30 second soundbyte of Jeremiah Wright was looped endlessly for his preaching for 20 years. Is that such a difficult concept to understand or are you just choosing to be willfully ignorant?
For someone preaching against hate, you are sure judging and hating Obama pretty quickly. The mirror is a funny thing my friend.
Dear trinity29. I think it's quite valid and has absolutely nothing to do with hatred when I say that IF you want to argue that Obama didn't know what was going on after 20 years of belonging to this church because there are three sermons per day - then you're basically saying that 20 whole years wasn't enough time for Obama to make that kind of critical observation. And a whole lot of people will consider this a serious shortcoming for a President.....at the very least - maybe he had figured it out - and agreed with his minister;s accessments but doesn't really want anyone to know so he's now saying he doesn't agree with it and feels that his minister thinking is a reflection of being a victim of his history. This is not a hateful to question. It IS hateful to have South Park discussing on national television putting a bomb up HRC V! NEVER in the history of this country has or would anyone speak of blowing up a male candidates P! Or Rush Limbaugh ongoing insults like asking the question on his huge radio show "Can we really handle watching a woman age on a daily basis?" Or how about the T-shirts now that say Hillary should have been the one married to O.J? The list goes on. Now that's hatred trinity29! And I don't mind preaching it one bit!
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