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Norm Stamper

Posted: November 29, 2009 04:49 PM

Death In A Coffee Shop

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Three men and a woman sat at a table in the Forza Coffee Company in Parkland, Washington, at 8:15 am today, their laptops open in front of them. Had they gathered on this quiet Sunday morning to catch up on tweets or freshen their Facebooks or chat about yesterday's Husky win over the Cougs or the Seahawks' chances against the Rams today, they'd be alive right now.

But these four people had shown up in black-and-whites, and were wearing the blue uniforms of the Lakewood Police Department. As the officers of this community of 60,000 met to swap crime information and prepare for their upcoming shift, a lone gunman walked in and opened fire. He ignored two baristas and several customers as he quickly, systematically executed each of the officers.

As I write this, heartbroken, watching live coverage of the search for the shooter, the bodies of the officers remain inside the coffee shop. We don't know whether any of them was able to return fire.

The officers, their names not yet released, leave behind loved ones, likely including spouses and young children. Like Timothy Brenton, a Seattle police officer ambushed on Halloween night, like the four Oakland cops gunned down on a routine traffic stop in March, like the three Pittsburgh officers slain in April by a suspect lying in wait, the Lakewood cops never had a chance.

I understand generalized animosity towards cops. It's triggered, often as not, by a specific grievance, an instance or pattern of real or perceived police misconduct -- fueled in some cases by recognition of historic institutional abuse.

What I don't understand, and will never accept is the slaying of a "symbol." A human being targeted because of what he or she does for a living. I wish blind critics of police would take a moment to reflect on the work done by good cops. I've seen officers give their all to stop a murderous DV suspect, catch a rapist, pull mangled bodies from car wrecks, protect and console an abused child.

Police officers have it tough enough dealing with known or conventional threats. This spate of ambush killings -- a single incident in a year is relatively rare -- raises fundamental questions about what it means to be a police officer today. Including: Would you apply?

 
 
 

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09:21 AM on 12/01/2009
I was false arrested and I found that all of those 'good cops' would lift a finger to go against the bad detective who had it in for me...that makes them all guilty to me, but I'm not going to go shoot a bunch.
11:19 AM on 12/01/2009
I scrolled down here to say what you just did tweedle. I have three nightmare tales of mistreatment by bad cops and I'm clean and white.

The important point that you make is that the "good cops" don't separate themselves from those garbage cops. They don't extricate them to keep their ranks clean and admired by the public, some damn blue code or something.

Oh yes, I did apply. Long long line and you had to know somebody. I didn't.

I'm not going to shoot any either but when they get shot I always wonder how much provocation there might have been.
09:16 AM on 12/01/2009
Cops here in S.FL start above teacher pay with a high school degree all that is needed. Our school resource officer tried to talk several male teachers into getting a pay raise, better benefits, free meals, and much better/sooner retirement.
When unrealistic speed limits were introduced the police lost the respect of the public and now the states/cities/counties are openly using them as revenue sources.
The "drug war" has corrupted the already reputation of the police.
Most people now see the police, as the black community always has, as an enemy.
The nonsense of calling them if your house is broken into? They say you will never get your stuff back. There isn't any tv type investigation. Car stolen? Better not call until it is abandonded or it will become a fun chase scene, complete with your car totally destroyed and perhaps death and mayhem.
Yet people here seem less than sympathetic to these officers... wierd, huh?
08:47 AM on 12/01/2009
No, Its like having a target on your back. We dont pay them enough. People are ki//ing for a parking place. The mind set " If You Dont Please ME " is growing rapidly. WHY? "because I deserve it ". " It is my right ". Me Me Me Me Me Me.
08:37 AM on 12/01/2009
The NRA love guns, even assault weapons. As a result of their power, there are over 400 million guns in the U.S., more than the number of people in this country.
The prison population has grown to over over 2 million persons at any given time.
When thousands of them are paroled/released and you combine that fact with the easy availabilty of guns, then this kind of shooting can, and most likely will happen.

Shooting rampages are nothing new in the U.S. The number of incidents has been increasing in the last 20 years. Examples: Columbine, Virginia Tech, Postal Killings, Fast Food Killings, Oklahoma Bombing, D.C. Sniper Killings, and hundreds of other under reported group killings.

Until this country stops its' love affair with guns, there will only be increased violence and mass random killings.
That guy would not have have been able to kill four officers with a knife, could he?
No, but he sure could and did kill them with a gun.
Guns kill People. It's a Fact. Guns make it easy to Kill People.
09:23 AM on 12/01/2009
Take away guns and only the police will have them...that scares me!!!
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01:41 PM on 12/01/2009
I heard that!
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
12:19 PM on 12/01/2009
"The NRA love guns, even assault weapons."

Do you know what an "assault weapon" is? HINT: Despite what many think, it is not a machine gun or full-auto firearm.
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08:18 AM on 12/01/2009
Mr. Stamper -- this is why the police cannot be trusted -- their actions are not fettered by law. The life of any citizen -- suspected, proven guilty or innocent -- means nothing to them. This man deserved his day in court, and there was no chance he would ever receive it. This was a lynch mob, not a police force. This man was murdered without recourse to law.

"At the scene, a couple of dozen police officers milled around, shaking hands and patting each other on the back after one of the largest manhunts in the region's history."
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08:00 AM on 12/01/2009
When I was about 21, I worked at a shell station in Hot Springs AR. It was the local "donut shop," so to speak. Local and state police were in there day in and day out. We had a big deli and a barbecue in the lot where we cooked chicken and ribs. The cops loved the place.

I will never forget the things I heard in there. Every one of those cops was a despicable human being, laughing about the murders of local blacks. One time this 14 year old kid was found in a dumpster in the worst part of town, and the cops came in with pictures, laughing about it, etc. Really gross stuff.
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01:44 AM on 12/01/2009
No, I would never take a job like that. For many reasons. And I think, as in all professions, there are good and bad. You'd be helping to enforce the most backward of drug policies. You'd have to take part in street forces to intimidate and restrict demonstrations, dressing like some robo-cop, and frightening people whose only crime is to be there and witness what is happening, a reversal of what I thought this country stood for. The means always condition the ends. When it comes to the militarization of the police force, as a society, we have crossed a critical point. So, no thanks, but that doesn't mean I can't admire and support a good job of police work when I see one.
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12:00 AM on 12/01/2009
From my own experiences as an officer many years ago I know dishonest cops exist. I observed modest police brutality, planting evidence, lying under oath, and stealing evidence for personal use to name some of the illegal behaviors. Society desperately needs quality officers and too often we hire the wrong types of people; too often, it's the socially unstable and or antisocial personality who cause problems. I'm not sure how to resolve this matter. Obviously, society needs police. The quick answer is to make the job appealing to quality people rather then the merely the emotionally marginal. Society however, has grown used to operating on the cheap and so we ask people to risk their lives for a fraction of what a celebrity might make for doing nothing socially redeeming. Part of the problem is society's misplaced priorities: We emphasize cult of celebrity while ignoring people who usefully serve and worse; we do whatever we can to ensure that those who chose to serve go largely unrecognized until they die while on duty. Those who serve are often undercompensated. Why anyone would wish to serve a society such as ours is unclear and why anyone would wish to become a police officer for the obscenely low salaries offered is an even bigger mystery.
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01:54 AM on 12/01/2009
Our police are as human as anybody else. As they enforce the laws, they can expect their peers to bend the laws for them; so, they exist beyond the law to some degree, and with the temptation this entails, it is remarkable that the police are as honorable as they are. I have always found them courteous and professional even when they may have found me unamusing. We may expect too much of them, and it might be better to let some lesser criminals get away than to be over policed.

In point of fact, construction and farming are more dangerous than being a police person. Society will have its fun and even a former policeman should try to control his scorn for his fellow citizens. Police are trained to look for fellowship among one another and fed the records of their friends to discredit non police friends. The mutual dread and loathing that this breeds may be efficient, but it isn't altogether good.
09:26 AM on 12/01/2009
We can't pay the police, we have to give the money to the bankers for their bonuses!
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11:39 PM on 11/30/2009
There are a lot of us that know exactly what kind of sacrifice the men and women that become cops make in order to protect us. Unfortunately, human nature is that those that support the police are often less outspoken about it.

I suspect that there are a lot of people like me out there whose hearts go out to these officers and their families. The question is what in the name of God could we say that could do justice to the situation? I'm sorry? That sounds pretty pathetic. Words simply don't suffice. Time heals? It may be true but it just hurts too much to know that when loss is so fresh.

We care, but words elude us. Please know that the feeling are there nonetheless.
11:13 PM on 11/30/2009
I hope by tomorrow when all these _gun _nuts have got the full story they will think several times before commenting about all their rights to own them....
fact is if someone broke into the house of any registered or unregistered owner with a _gun the home owner would not have a chance and their own weapon would be used on them...
It has been a proven fact over and over again....

have some respect for the peace officers that lost their life being ambushed by one of those same guns they so devotedly defend .......

my heart breaks for those families including all the children that were left fatherless....
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12:24 AM on 12/01/2009
"fact is if someone broke into the house of any registered or unregistered owner with a _gun the home owner would not have a chance and their own weapon would be used on them...
It has been a proven fact over and over again...."

Actually that is largely untrue and a myth.

"have some respect for the peace officers that lost their life being ambushed by one of those same guns they so devotedly defend "

As a cop and a pro-firearm type, I respect and defend both.
11:00 PM on 11/30/2009
We need to look into why Huckabee pardoned this person thus enabling this person to kill these unfortunate civil servants. The very legal system that these officers were upholding had dealt them the final death blow. Isn't that ironic? No, I would not take the job. The reason is that the system that you would be sworn to protect is corrupt and could indeed get you killed. No thanks I'll take my chances elsewhere. If feel for the families of the officers and would hope that the legal system would begin to look at the problems that allowed this to happen and do something to change it so that it does not happen again.
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12:28 AM on 12/01/2009
"We need to look into why Huckabee pardoned this person "

1) It was not a pardon. Please learn the difference between a pardon and clemency/commuting of a sentence.

2) He pardoned him because a long process of evaluation by everyone from prison officials to lawyers and probably doctors determined that he met the criteria.

perhaps we should examine why prosecutors failed to press charges when he was caught shortly after being released committing other crimes or why, despite his record, he was allowed free on bail after raping a child and assaulting an officer.
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05:25 AM on 12/01/2009
This really has nothing to do with Huckabee. After reading reports and recommendations, he gave a man who was sentenced to over 100 years in jail -- for crimes committed before the age of 17 -- another chance. Within months, the criminal was back in jail. End of Huckabee's involvement. Although his fingerpointing was sad and predictable.

Apparently, the MSM has decided it doesn't want him to run in 2012.
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pammiethekid
10:09 PM on 11/30/2009
Those of you who are dumping on cops need to ask yourself why it is, if you think they have it so easy, that you never became one yourself. Couldn't be because the pay is low and you didn't want to risk your life? I grew up in a beach area near Los Angeles, and saw more than one cop act in the ways everyone fears, but more often than not it was cops saving my butt, my brothers' butts, my friends' butts. I would call on a cop to risk his or her life to come help me at the drop of a hat, and most of us will. So have some compassion and remember your fallen fellow humans, who were drinking coffee one morning and then suddenly taken out. You can find their surviving comrades and families at http://www.lpig.us/
11:20 PM on 11/30/2009
I just want to comment on the part you said most of us would call the police if we needed help. I'm sorry but your wrong. Where I'm from black people don't call the police when they need help; we call our family. The police only make situations worse. There are many incidents where the police were called and they ended up killing someone when it could have been prevented. So, no, I know a lot of people who are not going to call the police when they need help.
02:40 AM on 12/01/2009
"The police only make situations worse."

This truth crosses all racial lines, although it is more true for some ethnic groups than others. Cops are there to protect and serve the societal status quo, they are not there to help or save individuals(although many will do so). There are multitudes of cases in every state of this country that show, time and time again, the best way to avoid getting sent to jail is to never invite the police into your life.
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09:35 PM on 11/30/2009
I think what is happening is that our Criminals in America are taking a page out of the books of Countries like Italy, Mexico, and some other third world nations. Instead of committing crimes and waiting for the Cops to show, now they are hunting the Authority figures down. Recently in Portland a Female Public Defender was also killed. This may be the beginning of a trend.I guess this is what comes too of a Society that spends so much of it's waking day watching cop shows and murder dramas. We seem to be particularly absorbed with the criminal element, even to the point of making anti-heros out of them. Perhaps what we should be doing is examining our cultural mores and doing some revising of our behavior.
02:42 AM on 12/01/2009
"Recently in Portland a Female Public Defender was also killed."

That is pretty low, killing the people that are supposed to defend your butt in court.
10:57 PM on 12/11/2009
"That is pretty low, killing the people that are supposed to defend your butt in court."

Yes, they are supposed to defend you.

Most of the time they do not. It is the exact opposite of what is portrayed on TV where the Public Defender is usually the best lawyer in the court room. They are often incompetent, and those who are not think more like prosecutors than defense attorneys.
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07:58 PM on 11/30/2009
I always felt that choosing to be a police officer was a bad bet if for no other reason than you will be subjected to witnessing the worst behavior possible, day in and day out. You will spend enormous amounts of time with the dregs of society. You will develop a very special outlook that cannot be shared with most of us. You will struggle with duty vs frustration.

Having said that, I believe the police are vitally necessary to safeguarding our children and communities from the dregs and I am thankful for their efforts. Yes, police departments have become too militarized. Yes, they sometimes abuse their power. Seen it myself. Brilliant managers are needed.

I am almost in tears when I think of this crime. Today I salute each and every peace officer everywhere as I think of my grand father, Cap'n Carl.

'Ten-hut!
Jack
11:02 PM on 11/30/2009
Well said!
11:16 PM on 11/30/2009
I am in tears and can hardly see the key board through them....
my respect to your grandfather ... Cap'n Carl
07:45 PM on 11/30/2009
I assume it is inadvertant that you blame the victims -- the cops. The problem is not the cops who were murdered. It is the ready access to guns. And worse: Gun Owners of America attacked the NRA for being "soft" on gun "rights" because not advocating for the "right" to own guns of, among others, the mentally ill.

How insane must the gun-nuts -- and the gun industry hiding behind and pushing them -- become before it is recognized by the vast majority that they are in fact insane?

How many mass gun-murders must there be before the sane population stands up en masse and forces a stop to the madness? Beginning with the absurd lie that the Second Amendmennt protects an individual right, when the only individual right debated by Congress concerning that Amendment was that of conscientious objection -- and that was VOTED DOWN.

The issue is public safety, which trumps individual "right," especially when the "right" involves deadly force:

No sane society leaves dangerous substances and objects lying around unregulated.
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08:11 PM on 11/30/2009
The US Senate unanimously agreed the 2dn protects an individual right. The US Supreme Court unanimously stated it protects an individual right. The USSC has issued numerous rulings supporting the individual right reading. Grammatically it protects an individual right. More than 70% of the US believes it protects an individual right.

Firearms are regulated.
08:37 PM on 11/30/2009
Frankly, not regulated that well.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_08.html

You can parse the amendment any way you like, but the fact remains, handguns represent nearly 70% of all murders committed with a gun.

Putting handguns in John Q. Citizen's pocket is only going to make things worse. The great bulk - no matter how much training they might get on the range - will abuse or misuse the weapon if they were ever forced to pull that weapon. The great bulk, not a few, the great bulk. And the thought of some ham-fisted amateur with a 9mm scares me almost as much as a blindered cop.
08:46 PM on 11/30/2009
The Senate didn't "unanimously" agree to any such thing.

Activist Scalia lied on the point.

The SC has issued only ONE decision claiming the Second protects an individual right: Scalia's lie.

The LEGAL AUTHORITY on the INTENT of those who WROTE the Bill of Rights is the debates of those who WROTE it. Are you man enough to READ them? --

_Creating the Bill of Rights: The Documentary Record from the First Federal Congress_ (Johns Hopkins, 1991), Ed. by Veit, et al. It is readily available from Amazon. From it is the first draft of that which became the Second Amendment. As for your "grammar" nonsense: that too is addressed:

"The right of the people (PLURAL, as in, "We the people"; it is not, "We the individual," or, "I the people") to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia (NOT "indiividual") being the best security of a free country (NOT "individual"): but no person (INDIVIDUAL) religiously scrupulous of (AGAINST) bearing arms, shall be compelled (INVOLUNTARY) to render military service (NOT "self-defense") in person." _Id._, at 12.

Scalia did get right that regulating the private individual ownership of guns is constitutional.

The percentage of citizens who believe a thing does not transform the belief into law.
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11:32 PM on 11/30/2009
The individuals that want to own a gun for protection aren't the problem. Neither are the anti-gun people. The problem is the mentally ill getting guns and youths getting guns. You aren't as far apart as you chose to believe. Why don't you join up to stop these abuses together instead of fighting each other?
Once upon a time, the regular gun owners helped protect the public. Where is our common sense?