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Playing Fast and Furious With a Man's Reputation

Posted: 06/30/2012 7:12 pm

Happy now, Darrell Issa? The effort you led to discredit Attorney General Eric Holder got you what you wanted from the beginning: a vote to hold in contempt the Attorney General of the United States. You told the New York Times, "This was not the outcome I had sought." There's a word for that.

Regardless, you've earned your coveted footnote: the Congressman who brought about the first such sanction of a sitting cabinet member in U.S. history. And not just any cabinet member, but the one responsible for effective, professional, nonpartisan law enforcement. Not even Alberto Gonzales or John Ashcroft, two of history's least distinguished incumbents of the AG's office, met the fate of Eric Holder.

The country's interest is best served when both the executive and the legislative branches resist partisan showboating and rigorously defend against the politicization of the Department of Justice.

There's cause for ambivalence about President Obama's claim of executive privilege. Such a claim makes sense if shielding behind-the-scenes conversation about the flaws of "Operation Fast and Furious" can legitimately be defended as a life-saving measure. But if the internal back-and-forth is simply embarrassing or inconvenient, hiding behind executive privilege is both unnecessary and foolish.

A shaky constitutional claim on a major gun case provides ammunition for the NRA and the Gun Owners of America. In their respective campaigns to paint the president as a weak defender if not an enemy of private gun ownership, they have already begun issuing report cards on individual members of congress. An A to those who voted in favor of the contempt citation, Fs to those who voted no or walked out in protest over the vote. Politically, it simply doesn't matter that the Congressional battle is not over guns but the internal conversation of a president and his staff.

On the subject of saving lives, the loss of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was a tragedy no matter who was responsible or how it happened. But let's not forget the Bush administration's multiple uses of the same tactics used to "climb the ladder" of the hierarchy of Mexican drug cartels. Such tracing and tracking of firearms and other items of evidence (think drug supplies, marked bills, stolen property) is common in law enforcement. If managed lawfully and competently (much in question in this case), it's an essential public safety tool.

For a politician to suggest that the agent's life would have been spared had the federal government not allowed the putative murder weapon to migrate south of the border, is naïve or disingenuous. (Thanks in part to the pro-gun lobby, drug-dealing thugs on either side of the border have no trouble buying or stealing vast arsenals of high-powered weaponry.)

But seeking to make political hay of the death of Agent Terry is despicable. The same could be said of efforts to taint the reputation of the highest law enforcement official in the land.

 
 
 

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Happy now, Darrell Issa? The effort you led to discredit Attorney General Eric Holder got you what you wanted from the beginning: a vote to hold in contempt the Attorney General of the United States.
Happy now, Darrell Issa? The effort you led to discredit Attorney General Eric Holder got you what you wanted from the beginning: a vote to hold in contempt the Attorney General of the United States.
 
 
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Trollbaby
Why are cons always tryin' to ice skate uphill?
03:28 PM on 07/02/2012
Except for the fact that none of the guns in dispute were involved in anyone's death...facts will set you free...

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/
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Trollbaby
Why are cons always tryin' to ice skate uphill?
03:26 PM on 07/02/2012
Nothing happened...Please read the truth...

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/
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Trollbaby
Why are cons always tryin' to ice skate uphill?
03:16 PM on 07/02/2012
Stop reading fox nation....

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/
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Trollbaby
Why are cons always tryin' to ice skate uphill?
03:15 PM on 07/02/2012
He was shot and killed by a weapon not linked to this operation...sorry the truth hurts you so...

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/
02:21 PM on 07/02/2012
Holder lied after the agent died.
11:13 PM on 07/01/2012
I wonder what was the true aim of "Fast and Furious" and if those aims were not reached, why is there no accountability for lack of performance? I say this loosely since if there was accountability, this current saga would not happen and I'm sure scapegoats would've been paraded and top officials chopped from the pay roster. I personally don't care about Holder but as the top person in charge, it is he and not congress who has the responsibility to say, this is what happened, this is what resulted, and these people were let go as they botched their jobs which lead to 2,000 guns going missing and most likely used for crime. End of story. Move on.
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Stanley Bonk
"mad, bad, and dangerous to know"
02:11 AM on 07/02/2012
The "True aim", if you bothered to read the newspapers was that in Arizona, high school kids were shoing up in gun store to buy $20K woth of AK-47's, and all of a sudden they turned up a week later with another $20K looking for some more. Mexico happense to have extremely tough cun control laws, so the Cartels send agents to Arizona, which has the weakest gun control laws in the US, and recruit kids to buy guns for them by the truckloads to smuggle back into Mexico. The "Fast and Furious" program was supposed to track these kids down and find out where the guns were going. It didn't work becuase the Republican Lawyers in ATF blacked the DOJ from tracking the purchasrs. That's how the whole sorry business got started.
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
02:38 PM on 07/02/2012
so what did DOJ and ATF try to do about this "problem" ?
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
02:11 PM on 07/02/2012
Have to get this guy to tell us while under oath.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-contributor-who-helped-enact-assault-weapons-ban-ran-fast-and-furious
07:18 PM on 07/01/2012
I can see from reading a few comments that most of you really have no idea what happened are spending way too much time on MSNBC.
I get it. You like Obama. You like everyone associated with him and you are blindly partisan. It's not hard to figure out. In your mind Obama is good so everything associated with him is good. This includes Holder. You don't need to know any more than that.
If Fast And Furious ran under a Republican administration you'd be calling for heads. At least one American LEO and 200 Mexicans are dead because our gov told gun dealers to sell thousands of weapons to known gun runners. They didn't track the guns and let them walk across the border. They never notified anyone in the Mexican gov or law enforcement.
Fast And Furious (begun in July, 2009 btw) was an incompetently run operation and those involved in running are criminaly negligent. There's no other way to describe their failure.
The agents involve could have spent all day every day surfing for porn and playing computer games and we would have gotten more for our tax dollars. At least no one would have died.
Yet no one has been demoted, No one has been fired and no one has been charged.
Contrast this with the Left's hysteria over Valerie Plane.
You guys are some serious hypocrites.
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David Esmay
veteran, progressive,scoutmaster
07:43 AM on 07/02/2012
Man, you're full of it, Operation Wide Receiver, basically the same as F&F, was run under Gov, Bush administration. Come out from under your rock and into the light.
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yeti7
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02:14 PM on 07/02/2012
Former U.S. Attorney for Arizona Dennis Burke ran fast and furious while under obama, so I think it is you who are full of it.
10:48 PM on 07/02/2012
Did you even read my post? Is there someone there that can read it and explain it to you?
The BATF did not inform the Mexican government that they were letting illegal assault weapons cross the border. This was under Operation Fast And Furious. There was no way for this op to work.
During Operation Wide Receiver the Mexican LEOs were informed and worked with the BATF when the guns crossed the border. This is how an operation should be run and while the op ultimately failed it was due to the corruption in Mexican rather than the gross incompetence shown during the Fast And Furious operation.
07:02 PM on 07/01/2012
There's been a lot of lies from the Left about this operation. Let me clear some of them up.
This operation didn't begin under Bush it started in July, 2009 under Obama. Operation Wide Reciever was run under Bush's watch but there were key differences between the two ops. The main one is that the Mexican authorities were involved when illegal guns crossed the border. Under Fast And Furious the guns simply were allowed to cross without any means of tracking them and without Mexican law enforcement being informed.
This is why the operation is criminal and those involved incompetent.
Holder denied any earlier knowledge of the operation when first grilled about it but then e-mails showed that he did in fact know about it much longer than he claimed. There are about 250,000 documents associated with this operation. Holder has turned over about 7,000 and many of them are nothing but black sheets of paper as everything has been redacted (blacked out). There are binders and binders of blacked out documents turned over. This shows how well the Justice Dept is cooperating.
2 American LEO's have been killed with these guns and over 200 Mexicans. The count keeps going up.
No one has been held accountable for this operation. No one has been demoted of fired.
Yet the Left continues to lie, coverup and obstruct justice.
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David Esmay
veteran, progressive,scoutmaster
07:46 AM on 07/02/2012
The U.S attorney in charge, Burke, didn't even know what his subordinates were doing until Agent Voth debriefed him. Keep repeating NRA, Issa, GOP, Faux News cover CYA BS.
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
02:17 PM on 07/02/2012
Burke lead it he knew it was his idea, but obama won't allow him to be question under oath
and check into Burke further and guess what you find.? plenty of dirty laundry that's what.
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Josh Crawford
Just the facts, man!
06:45 PM on 07/01/2012
Mr. Issa and his minions keep invoking the name of Agent Terry but the simple fact is that the part of their investigation that led to the contempt vote has NOTHING to do with what happened to Agent Terry. It is ALL about what happened AFTER he was killed, and has done NOTHING to figure out what led to his death. In fact, by interfering with the DOJ's ONGOING MURDER INVESTIGATION, Mr. Issa and his actions have made it HARDER to figure out what led to his death!
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
10:10 PM on 07/01/2012
about holder lying to congress about the operation when they were asking the original question about what happened to him.
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Josh Crawford
Just the facts, man!
12:10 AM on 07/02/2012
What are you talking about? Can you give me a link to a transcript or video or story about that testimony?
"the original question about what happened to him"???
Can you please translate that into English?
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Josh Crawford
Just the facts, man!
12:14 AM on 07/02/2012
Read these and tell me where there is ANY evidence that Holder intentionally "lied" to Congress. Yes, the Feb 4 letter (which was NOT from Holder btw, it was from ASSISTANT AG Ron Weich) was incorrect, but that was because the ATF was LYING to the DOJ. In fact, the ATF was STILL telling the DOJ in March 2011 that gun "walking" had NOT occurred. Mr. Holder WAS wrong, but that's because he'd been given the wrong information.

www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57461204-10391695/a-primer-on-the-fast-and-furious-scandal/?tag=contentMain;contentBody

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/25/fast-and-furious-documents-what-do-show/

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2018545824_guns28.html
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wikwox
So there I was, playing the piano....
03:56 PM on 07/01/2012
Issa's wish came true, he got to attack a cabinet member on a vague and spurious charge, not the White Water epic he yearned for but trouble enough for Holder. This is what they do in Washington, make as much trouble for the other party as possible, and if it damages the reputation of the innocent who cares. It's happened to more than a few over the years and I've never heard a politician express a single regret.
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
10:16 PM on 07/01/2012
I like this, holders scandal is a "Watergate with toe tags"
http://www.examiner.com/article/apologists-resort-to-talking-point-ridicule-attacks-as-contempt-vote-looms
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deschl
12:11 PM on 07/01/2012
I'm not surprised at Issa, didn't he have his own brother go to jail for his thievery
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ron45
11:23 AM on 07/02/2012
Yes, you would think they would pick someone without a criminal record for this investigation
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HitnMyths
Too large a life for a micro bio
11:32 AM on 07/01/2012
The NRA's resistence to anything resembling sensible gun sale laws in Arizona and the US is the cause of this tragedy. What possible justification is there for any individual to purchase dozens of AK 47s? These gun nuts never answer that they just bray about their right to. The right to such firepower must be accompanied by explaining use of same. Don't tell me the Gov doesn't need to know; it's much more obvious that you have no need of equipping your army. I remember the same arguments for explosives, dangerous pesticides and herbicides, cold remedies for methheads, etc. such excesses only make the likelihood of onerous laws more likely in the future.
07:03 PM on 07/01/2012
Yet you're ok with the BATF telling gun dealers to sell weapons to known straw buyers and then watch the guns disappear into Mexico.
It seems as if your anger is directed at the wrong target. You're worrying more about law abiding gun owners and gun rights organizations than you are the criminals and the law enforcement officers and beaurocrats that are ciminally negligent .
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
10:27 PM on 07/01/2012
All these people are trying to use misdirection, an old saul alinsky tactic, to help cover up holder and obama's "watergate with toe tags"
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bobman173
11:04 AM on 07/01/2012
Republicans hold in contempt anyone who does not go along with their flawed ideology.
07:04 PM on 07/01/2012
Good point.
Nothing wrong with the gov arming narco terrorists along our southern border. Nope.....nothing to see. Move along.
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
10:28 PM on 07/01/2012
yep, letting guns across the border to mexico and help start a civil war there, no problem there.
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Trollbaby
Why are cons always tryin' to ice skate uphill?
10:18 AM on 07/01/2012
Holder is the only attorney general in the history of the justice department to have worked at the justice department, been in private practice, and was also a judge. He's universally recognized as the most qualified AG in history...now please sit down, your ignorance bores me.
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
10:18 PM on 07/01/2012
that's what they said about the daddy bush presidency
09:39 AM on 07/01/2012
A man whose reputation includes being an arsonist would not have any scruples in maligning the AG over documents he knows cannot be legally released.

Because they all know the average GOP voter does not have any incentive to check the actual facts concerning any GOP action.