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Archie Bunker on Gun Control

Posted: 12/21/2012 8:56 pm

With everyone in our world talking about guns and America, I woke up this morning to find an All in the Family clip on YouTube that we produced over 30 years ago that has Archie Bunker on a local news channel doing an editorial on gun control. He finds himself suggesting that the best answer to avoid skyjacking is to "arm every passenger" and the audience erupts in laughter.

You can see the clip:

Can we possibly have any other reaction to Wayne LaPierre's similarly insane idea to provide armed guards for every school but to laugh? Or cry. I find myself doing a lot of both lately.

 
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With everyone in our world talking about guns and America, I woke up this morning to find an All in the Family clip on YouTube that we produced over 30 years ago that has Archie Bunker on a local news...
With everyone in our world talking about guns and America, I woke up this morning to find an All in the Family clip on YouTube that we produced over 30 years ago that has Archie Bunker on a local news...
 
 
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Brenna Dawkins
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07:40 PM on 01/23/2013
Sad thing is, that's exactly what the GOP want.
11:36 PM on 01/12/2013
the episode is 40 years old (made in 1972)
after 4 decades we are still arguing the same stuff.
02:07 AM on 01/11/2013
All of this BS and posturing on gun ownership, pro-con the only post that I have seen here that even begins to address the underlying problem was from Carolyn Craig, until we as a country start to introduce some level of economic equality more and more people are being thrown in the streets, being ripped off by Wall Street, the rich get richer and the disadvantaged preyed upon by a totally dysfunctional government who is owned lock stock and barrel by corporate America we will continue to see the sort of thing as school or theater shootings.
11:23 PM on 01/10/2013
Cons are laughable
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Wonderwheel
04:56 PM on 01/06/2013
A funny trip down memory lane for those of us old enough to have watched it the first time.
04:22 PM on 01/05/2013
Okay, but it is a laugh track, in fairness.
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Wonderwheel
05:05 PM on 01/06/2013
NOT SO! All In the Family was one of the shows that brought the live audience back into TV production after the laff track had removed them in the 1960s. Here's a Wikipedia except about the comeback.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laugh_track#Comeback_of_live_television_in_the_U.S.

"Creator Norman Lear's All in the Family (CBS, 1971–1979) followed suit in 1971. Videotaped live, Lear wanted the studio audience to actually like the performer, with hopes of the two developing a rapport with each other. Lear was not a fan of pretaped audiences, resulting in no laugh track being employed, not even during post-production when Lear could have had the luxury of sweetening any failed jokes (Lear relented somewhat in later seasons, and allowed Douglass to insert an occasional laugh).[7] Lear's decision resulted in the show being a huge success, and officially ushered in the return of live audiences to the U.S. sitcom mainstream. To make his point clear, an announcement proclaimed over the closing credits each week that "All in the Family was recorded on tape before a live audience" (or during the show's final seasons where live audiences no longer attended tapings of the show) "All in the Family was played to a studio audience for live responses."[7]"
08:57 PM on 01/06/2013
Excellent :)  I stand corrected, and happily so.  I was raised on All In The Family and love it to this day!
04:46 PM on 01/04/2013
Archie is right about communists first disarming their populations--what's funny about that? Some of my wife's family did not survive the Khmer Rouge. Am I supposed to laugh about Norman Lear's anti-American hatred of the 2nd Amendment? Am I supposed to laugh about the fact that the Soviet Union and Cuba and North Korea murdered and oppressed millions upon millions of their disarmed denizens?

The fact is that in our country, it once WAS the law that every male between the ages of 18-60 own and maintain a firearm. The definition of "militia" found in the 2nd Amendment is exactly that, every able adult male in the population. See The Militia Act of 1792, and The Militia Act of 1795.

Furthermore, Switzerland currently has that policy, and things are pretty peaceful there.

As a society, we must do more to make sure that boys have fathers in the home, responsible, sober men who will teach their sons the ways of responsibility and the proper tools/use of force.

Economist John Lott has proven in his book of the same title, more guns = less crime.
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Carlyn Craig
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03:52 AM on 01/06/2013
I think you make some good points. But let's take a look at Switzerland, and particularly at it's social programs. Switzerland welfare expenditure (% of GDP), excluding spending on education, is 26.4% (add in education and it's 31.6%). The USA, on the other hand, expends 14/8% of it's GDP on welfare (19.4% if you add in education). Switzerland's "absolute poverty" rate is 3.8%. The USA? A whopping 11.7%. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state

The attitude toward compensation in Switzerland is the opposite of the USA - they believe in income equality and fair taxation - someone earning taxable income of $40,000 pays 5.41% tax while someone earning $500,000 taxable income pays 22.07% tax. http://www.zugimpex.com/en/Switzerland_taxes.html?gclid=CLerntan07QCFYN_QgodJzQA5Q

If you want an armed society that is also peaceful, then you have to stop spending on enforcement and punishment and start spending on the people, offering support to families so that they can avoid the stresses that promote family dissolution and violence, which leads to societal violence. This is the only way to turn the tide of what ails you (and increasingly, ails us here in Canada as conservative elements try to eat away at our social safety net).
04:08 PM on 01/06/2013
Wow, Carlyn Craig, what an outstanding reply. Thanks very much. I am currently proposing to Americans that we get our population informed and united so that we can get our health care cards in hand by 2016. Canadians like the Canadian provincial-based health care to an incredibly high degree ... at least 85-86% and perhaps 92% or higher ... and our national-based health care with an even larger (low-risk) pool of people can and will be even better. I very truly hope that Americans respond to the proposed plan to get it.

I lived with my wife and two young sons in Canada for 4.5 years. Getting health care without any bills from the doctor or emergency room visits was fantastic. The peace of mind that I felt present among my neighbors was incredible. Americans deserve universal health care, especially now that we've been denied it by our U.S. Congress so long that all other free-market countries have it, even the ones considered to be relatively poor.

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01:47 PM on 01/22/2013
Carolyn,

What this has do with guns, I am not sure. But, you do realize that Switzerland's income taxes for those making $40k are probably higher than in the U.S. and the rates for those making $500k are definately lower. In other words, the U.S. is more progressive on taxes and more class warfare oriented. So, if we want to be more like Switzerland, the first thing to do is lower our taxes.
02:30 PM on 01/04/2013
Let's set aside the merits -- or lack thereof -- of having armed guards at schools and consider the practicality of this idea.

Who's going to pay these guards' salaries? How likely is it that school districts can afford it, when they're already slashing programs and teachers often must buy classroom supplies with their own money because of shrinking budgets? Don't suggest that municipal or county law enforcement agencies assign officers to schools. They're struggling with their own budget shortfalls and often resort to laying off officers to avoid deeper deficits.

I'm anticipating that someone is going to suggest having an all-volunteer force of regular citizens use their personal firearms to stand guard at schools, after the Minuteman model along the Arizona-Mexico border.
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Charlie Self
08:55 PM on 01/06/2013
I recently found out that in a small Virginia city, it costs $54,000 per year to keep one policeman or woman on the force. How does that work with rural open plan schools with six, seven, eight buildings and 50 exits and entrances? That would still leave all the walkways unguarded.

LaPierre is a goofball, IMO, and, if I heard correctly, he's already proposed that armed citizens guard schools. No mention of training. Vigilantes, anyone?
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01:03 AM on 01/11/2013
Unless schools are redesigned to be more like prisons, it's going to take a lot more than one or two armed guards to provide security.
11:18 AM on 01/04/2013
Placing armed guards at schools? Who guards the guards? You assume everyone with a license to carry, that wears a uniform, is sane and balanced. Just last night two Boulder, Colorado cops had some fun in the city limits shooting a large elk that had wandered down from the mountains. They violated a half a dozen laws but were seen smiling for the camera. Like I said: who guards the guards?
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Wonderwheel
05:09 PM on 01/06/2013
I beleive there was an armed guard at Coulumbine, but he was in a different part of the school so his presence did not help. Armed guards can't be everywhere. Is the proposal to have full employment but placing an armed guard in every school hallway?
05:35 PM on 01/11/2013
There was an armed guard at Columbine, but even worse than not being in the area of the entering intruders (who, BTW, were current students at the school) the guard WAS in the area, attempted to intercept Eric Harris with some exchange of gunfire, but for whatever reason Harris still got back into the building, and the bloodshed resumed. An armed guard, charged with task of protecting the grounds of the school, engaged one of the assailants with his weapon but FAILED to suppress the ongoing attack on the school.
04:48 AM on 01/02/2013
But doesn't the school Obama sends his kids to have about a dozen or so heavily armed guards? Kind of proves LaPierre's point.
01:15 PM on 01/04/2013
Do you suppose that any president's kids are high-profile kidnapping targets? And that other schools do not have similar, potential targets?

Protective steps should be proportionate to the risk or threat presented. The Sandy Hook shootings were obviously horrific, but there's no evidence to support the idea that mass shootings are a common or likely threat at schools generally.

As we have seen, the potential for mass shootings exists any place where the public can come and go freely: supermarkets, banks, shopping malls, museums, libraries, etc. You and others have made it abundantly clear that you agree with Archie Bunker's and Wayne LaPierre's support for the citizenry to arm itself for the remote chance that they may encounter an armed criminal.

I'm not trying to change your thinking. But consider the possible, unintended consequences of what you're proposing. Suppose a patron at a tavern accidentally spills a drink on another customer -- an innocuous, harmless event that probably occurs hundreds of times a day in this country. Suppose further that this incident escalates to the point where guns are fired and people are killed.

This is not a hypothetical scenario. It happened on New Year's Eve in Sacramento.
02:08 PM on 01/16/2013
Hey Joe from Kokomo, shmoe is a very apt name for you.
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08:13 AM on 01/01/2013
Jeez, I thought Norman Lear was dead. Hopefully in 2013. I'll have to update my death pool pick.
04:57 AM on 01/05/2013
hopefully?? what you're saying is not funny. its just mean and inhuman.
gwithc
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03:23 AM on 01/06/2013
hopefully all people that supply the world with right wing hate will go ASAP.
04:55 AM on 01/01/2013
"Can we possibly have any other reaction to Wayne LaPierre's similarly insane idea to provide armed guards for every school but to laugh?"

Were you laughing at this guy when he not only suggested we do what LaPierre has stated but actually implemented and funded it?

http://articles.latimes.com/2000/apr/16/news/mn-20323

Clinton Pledges Funds to Add Police to Schools

WASHINGTON — Marking the first anniversary of the shooting deaths at Columbine High School, President Clinton announced $120 million in new federal grants Saturday to place more police officers in schools and help even the youngest kids cope with their problems.
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Clinton also unveiled the $60-million fifth round of funding for "COPS in School," a Justice Department program that helps pay the costs of placing police officers in schools to help make them safer for students and teachers. The money will be used to provide 452 officers in schools in more than 220 communities.

"Already, it has placed 2,200 officers in more than 1,000 communities across our nation, where they are heightening school safety as well as coaching sports and acting as mentors and mediators for kids in need," Clinton said.
04:49 AM on 01/01/2013
"Can we possibly have any other reaction to Wayne LaPierre's similarly insane idea to provide armed guards for every school but to laugh?"

No one is laughing at the absence of armed personnel at any of the shootings which have occurred at these free-fire zones which the government has set up.

Is this writer aware that three school shootings -- Pearl, MS, High School, Appalachian School of Law, and Edinboro, PA -- were all stopped by armed citizens with firearms?

Is he aware that in NONE of those cases was the shooter harmed? In ALL of those cases the shooter was taken into custody.

Is he aware that the Trolley Square Mall shooting in UT was stopped by an off duty police officer who used his concealed carry weapon to engage the shooter and pin him down until backup could arrive and kill the shooter?

Is he aware that in the Clackamas, OR, mall shooting a concealed carry licensee drew his weapon and pointed his firearm at the shooter who then took his own life?

See here: http://minutemennews.com/2012/12/oregon-mall-shooting-brave-citizen-with-concealed-carry-may-have-saved-lives/

All we want is parity. We want the victims to start with 50-50 odds. When the odds start at 0-100, and those odds only improve at the benevolence of the perpetrator, that is not a good thing especially when we have all seen just how benevolent these shooters have been in the past.
01:41 PM on 01/09/2013
Common thread ... shooter runs out of bullets in the three school shootings. The 'brave citizen' was behind a pillar and it is doubtful that the shooter had even seen him.

Officers who've viewed security tapes said Roberts moved "pretty swiftly and deliberately." Eyewitnesses saw him move to reload the rifle at least once, but it apparently jammed. Roberts had stolen the weapon that morning and might not have been familiar with how to use it. He dropped a fully loaded magazine on the mall floor outside Macy's Home Store and pushed through a set of doors marked "Emergency Exit, mall employees only," into a back storage corridor between the interiors store and Forever 21.

Mall worker Rok Sang Kim encountered Roberts there. He later told a TV crew that he was coming back from recycling some boxes and hadn't heard the gunshots. His first thought when he spotted the shooter was how strange it was to see someone dressed in a costume weeks after Halloween. He thought the gun was a toy, until Roberts pointed it at him.

"No," Kim said. "Don't do that."

Roberts didn't. Instead, he turned away from Kim and hustled down a flight of stairs to the first floor. Exactly why he stopped shooting and retreated to a back hallway is unclear. That will likely remain a mystery as big as why he ever started.

http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2012/12/clackamas_town_center_shooting_61.html
03:51 AM on 12/29/2012
"mentally unstable moments" and criminals or mass murders aside, the purpose of the second amendment has not changed. It did not create a right, it affirmed a right that already existed... the right to defend one's self and one's property, which is an inalienable rights (cannot be taken away or infringed by government).
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11:50 PM on 01/01/2013
right on !!!!!!
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Charlie Self
08:57 PM on 01/06/2013
Sure. And you just gotta have a semi-auto .223 or .308 with a 30 round mag. Pfui!
02:11 PM on 01/16/2013
Twaddle. As written the 2nd amendment had nothing to do with individual's rights to bear arms. It had everything to do with maintaining a well regulated militia.
02:53 PM on 12/28/2012
I have every season of "All in the Family." The family goes to Kelsey's after seeing watching him on TV. In walk two men who recognize Archie from his segment on the news. First they flatter Archie and then they rob everyone in the bar.

Archie says that wouldn't have happened if he'd had a gun on him. Truth be told Archie as well as everyone else is the bar was scared chitless when the guys pulled out their guns.
04:14 PM on 01/04/2013
Archie was right.