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Norman Lear

Norman Lear

Posted: December 26, 2010 12:50 AM

Horrified and Angry in Paradise

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I am sitting over coffee, poolside, at our handsome private bungalow -- the pool, a koi pond, and the beach only some feet beyond, on the most beautiful Christmas Day in Hawaii history, reading a story in The International Edition of the New York Times, and I am so upset I could throw up the cheese omelet with spinach, onion, mushroom and bacon chips that came with the coffee!

It wasn't the information re the treatment of middle class homeowners by the bankers and lenders who sucked them into mortgages they couldn't afford by jolly high priced TV ads that convinced them they could trade up, or move into their first home with no deposit and no job?

And it wasn't the Supreme Court that ruled recently that corporations had the right to spend untold sums of money on high-priced TV ad in electoral races across the country that causes voters to vote in favor of corporate interests against their own self-interest.

It wasn't even the outright usury practiced by some of our foremost lending institutions who shove Interest-exploding language only a prize-winning economist would understand into credit cards aimed at the unsuspecting.

No, It was the simple story of a guy named Gabe Okoye and his girlfriend, Brittany Mayti, contestants on the first episode of a new Fox show called Million Dollar Money Drop. Suffice it to say they had won $880,000 and decided to risk $800,000 of it on one more question the producers challenged him with, the answer to which Okoye was certain he knew. But, according to the show and its producers, he was wrong. Devastated, their hearts in their shoes, Okoye and his girlfriend left the studio empty-handed.

But a day later the producers and Fox learned that they had been given "incomplete information" and that Okoye's was the correct answer after all. And so what did they do? They invited Okoye back to the show as a participant.

Isn't this, in a nutshell, a complete and understandable example of how corporate America and the people's Congress, charged with the responsibility of protecting them from the unscrupulous, is instead screwing over the American people?

And what will I do about it? I'll make my chest-beating calls, and blog here and maybe write my Congressperson.

But first I'll go to lunch and eat my panini-wrapped cheese melt with chips.

I am so upset and angry in paradise.

It's another prime example of how we let them get away with it.

 
 
 
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09:40 PM on 01/03/2011
"Youz liberals, youz, youz messin' up the country, youz is." ~ Archie Bunker
10:47 PM on 01/02/2011
I'm not sure Lear makes a good analogy here. Home-buyers were used as warm bodies to create paper to be repackaged and sold to third and fourth parties as another kind of financial product. When that Ponzi scheme fell through the law of the land sided with the paper-holders (or closest proxy) and against the non-paying mortgagee.

In this case the TV show is clearly at fault and the ball is in Okoey's court to get the law behind him. If he doesn't, then this story is about a guy not using the obvious law in his favor. He doesn't owe the TV program anything, the TV program owes him. The aggravating part of the story is if Okoey agreed to their terms and let them off the hook.
08:54 PM on 01/02/2011
Kaspiahn, don't you understand that it is foreign to the liberal psyche to hold people responsibl­e for their actions.
Everyone knows that the poor folks who took out mortgages beyond their means had a gun to their heads. -Quitcherbichin 63 fans.
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Your analysis of predatory lending is very simplistic.
I would suggest you talk to both former secondary prime lenders and also those that have been sold their 'bill of unwanted goods.'
Predatory or sub prime lenders often used scare tactics to encourage people to
sign contracts that were so confusing even an economist or legal expert in the
realm of real estate could not understand.

Predatory lenders had a lot to gain if the client signed on for large size loans
e.g: larger commissions which in itself can lead to unethical practices but became the norm in companies such as Countrywide Mortgage and the late Seattle bank based Washington Mutual which was a leading holder in secondary mortgage contracts.

Both congressional investigations and newspaper articles such as the link I will provide you show a financial industry that waged outlandish practices against consumers in the 'Get er done' era of the housing bubble.

While I do agree that lenders bare some responsibility, it is also clear that many of these people were led to believe that could have the American Dream - in this case home ownership if they signed today.
Here is the link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/13/business/13wamu.html?ref=washingtonmutualinc
EngChina.
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09:34 PM on 01/02/2011
Not everybody who is struggling with housing was a poor person who got suckered into a mortgage they couldn't afford. Some people bought homes at the height of the bubble with solid down payments (Let's try 50 or 60%), and got prime mortgages with reasonable monthly payments.

How did they get stuck? Well, the value of properties were going up so fast (due to the fraudulent housing bubble mess) that people were paying a premium just to have a house. People were buying because they were afraid that if they waited a year or two, they would never be able to afford a house.
Everybody, even prime borrowers, were paying more for these houses than they should have.

Then when everything fell apart, some of these people saw their income drop; many people lost their jobs and couldn't easily find new ones. So the affordable mortgage suddenly became a problem.

They saw their 401K's and savings dive also, so they may have been reaching into their depleted savings or their 401K's to pay their now-unaffordable mortgage. The value of their home was going down as well, so selling that now-unaffordable home was becoming very difficult.

The housing bubble screwed basically everybody who bought a home in the 2000's, even those who were careful not to take out an unaffordable and/or adjustable mortgage.

If you bought a home long ago and were able to stay in it and make your payments, count yourself lucky.
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08:51 PM on 01/02/2011
I think the reality is unfortunately we are all "meatheads" infatuated with Lady GaGa, Sarah Palin or whoever knowing we are on the brink of something terribly wrong, but yet glad we still can get out of the cold for another day. The rational for all injustice is now characterized by suspicion and envy protected by the knowledge that it could all be worse. Yes its a slow demise and a brilliant maneuver that destroys our concepts about freedom and humanity while entrusts our justice to the feelings of "Archie Bunker".
08:18 PM on 01/02/2011
Dear Mr.. Lear,
It's ok to indignant.
It seems, maybe, that you were afraid that you can't be rich and successful and indignant at the same time?
So you made some jokes about being in Hawaii and panini and such.
But you don't have to do that. In fact, we middle class types need your high class types to get a little indignant and frustrated with the situation. Change will come from your powerful class. So do not cover your opinion in jokes about your status. Say it loud, say it proud.
Best,
Richard
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07:55 PM on 01/02/2011
Cancel this awful show & pay the winners off.

Good Night HP Posters:

Mike
07:13 PM on 01/02/2011
It's a corporate fascist state with the largest penal colony in the world.
07:11 PM on 01/02/2011
Shoot your TV. Or bludgeon it, if you're against guns.
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rhdsma
06:23 PM on 01/02/2011
Why not sue?
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nolabels
05:39 PM on 01/02/2011
To be fair, they would have had to wager all of that money on the next question and they got that question wrong. So...$880,000 or $80,000, either way, they would have ended up with $0.

I take your point though - sort of. I don't see the analogy too well but the class warfare/corporations sc..wing over the little guy thing, I get and relate to.
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06:00 PM on 01/02/2011
To be fair losing 800k can throw your whole game off.
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06:04 PM on 01/02/2011
Even the best person's game is thrown off for a few minutes/plays when they know the referee has made a terrible call against them.
06:25 PM on 01/02/2011
Not necessarily, they could have hedged their bets, splitting the 880K across two answers on the final two questions. If they were unsure but could eliminate one wrong answer then they could easily have kept 440K for the last question, and hedged again.
So it is more accurate to say that the most likely result was that they would walk away with $220,000.
09:22 PM on 01/02/2011
Actually, no. They could not split it on the last question. They would have had to put it all on on the last question. Not saying the network did the right thing, but the rules are such that you can't split your bet on the last question.
04:41 PM on 01/02/2011
Focus, people.

As Warren Buffett has stated clearly: 'Of course there's a Class War. And my Class, the Upper Class, is winning.'

Look around - it's not about Republicans or Democrats. The Republicans, the 'law and order' party, have not demanded the arrest and prosecutions of any of the Big Banksters responsible for rigging 'our' economy and stealing as much as they can. Even today, with a mountain of public Foreclosure Fraud evidence, they remain silent.

The Democrats? Same thing. Not a single arrest or prosecution of a Big Bankster.

Now, part of the Class War strategy is this: divide and conquer. Keep We The People from organizing by dividing us - red versus blue - and blaming one side or the other for ALL the problems America faces.

Meanwhile, while we're screaming and yelling at each other, they're emptying our Treasury, stealing our homes, and shipping more and more jobs overseas.

The Upper Class does not care about abortion, or God, or gays in the military, or 911 mosques, or TSA xrays and body scans, or any of the other petty bullsh*t We The People are at each other's throats about - all they care about is how much of our money they can hoard.

Either we accept the facts in front of our face, put the nonsense aside, team up and fight back, or it's game over, man. Game over.
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05:03 PM on 01/02/2011
Quitcher would say "I made it so why can't everyone else just work hard like me and be as awesome as me?" Quitcher and the wealthy are just better than us, can't you see that? If you are poor its your own fault. If the "system" was set up to help you buy a house you didn't know you couldn't afford because the rules were being changed behind your back then that's your own fault for not being awesome like Quitcher. You see? If you are fortunate, then you are fortunate. If not, you're just a loser. Too bad. They never learn until its their turn.
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paddio
We are men of honor..lies do not become us.
06:16 PM on 01/02/2011
The refrain that kills me is that "if it wasn't for the Unions we wouldn't be in this mess". One of the best misdirections ever.
renoir
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07:57 PM on 01/02/2011
Yes. That and "the liberal media".
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04:13 PM on 01/02/2011
It's been interesting watching the knee jerk reactions to this from people who do not at all understand what happened. The question in question was not the final question; it was number 6 of 7. He was sure he was right but before he could move all the money on to 'post-it notes', time ran out (fortunately for him) and he had $800,000 on post it notes and $80,000 left on Walkman (where his girlfriend was betting). The 800k dropped and he had $80,000 left for the final question, which he got wrong and also lost. If he had won the $800,000, he would still have lost it all on the final answer. The fair solution would be to drop the 80k, give him the 800k to bet on a final answer and see if he stays greedy and bets it all or if he has learned enough to hedge his bet. Then we can all complain that they made the do-over question too hard.
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JustMyWords
07:38 PM on 01/02/2011
He would have only lost $800K on the final answer if he had bet the whole amount on a single answer. Who says he would have done it that way? There's no real way to duplicate what *might* have happened at this point.
03:27 PM on 01/02/2011
"It wasn't the information re the treatment of middle class homeowners by the bankers and lenders who sucked them into mortgages they couldn't afford by jolly high priced TV ads that convinced them they could trade up, or move into their first home with no deposit and no job?"

I love how these days you don't have to take responsiblity for YOUR actions. It's always someone else's fault. People know if they can afford a home, and it's their job to buy within their means.
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03:50 PM on 01/02/2011
They could afford their homes... when they had jobs...
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Quitcherbichin
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04:00 PM on 01/02/2011
Kaspiahn, don't you understand that it is foreign to the liberal psyche to hold people responsible for their actions.
Everyone knows that the poor folks who took out mortgages beyond their means had a gun to their heads.
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07:45 PM on 01/02/2011
Hmm....just like those poor mortgage companies had guns held to their heads to force them to make loans with inadequate security, right?

The 'liberal psyche' doesn't find it foreign to hold people responsible for their actions. However, the liberal psyche has noticed that in a mortgage transaction, there are TWO parties involved, and BOTH of them are responsible, both the mortgagor and the mortgagee.

No one forced people to take out mortgages that maxed them out financially and put them in danger of losing everything. No one forced anyone to GIVE them the mortgage, either. And in this situation, the person that has the money has all the power in the end - someone asks you for a loan, you say 'no,' and that's that.
03:12 PM on 01/02/2011
To summarize the article:

A guy earned 880,000 dollars from Fox. Fox scammed him out of 800,000 dollars of it, leaving him with less than a tenth of what he earned.

It's a metaphor for what corporations do to everyone, all the time. Well, not even really a metaphor, because it was a corporation doing it this time, too.

The final point, cunningly concealed in the language, is that it's ridiculous that we aren't rioting about this sort of thing yet. Thieves are stealing from us, legally, on a scale never before seen in history. How is it anyone is tolerating this?

I can provide the answer to the unspoken part of the article: Marketing is why. Pro-corporate lies have become a science into which billions of dollars are poured a year, each and every dollar spent an assault on America, the weapons being falsehood, manipulation, and 'framing'.
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03:54 PM on 01/02/2011
Thank you, thank you, thank you! It's so nice to see someone see through to the heart of the matter for once. Marketing, unfettered advertising, an endless war for your attention that will continue for the forseeable future. You don't EVER hear about this in the media because the media is funded on all fronts by these insidious, ubiquitous voices vying for our dollars and opinions.

Aside from the media taboo, average folks don't want to hear about it either because everyone likes to think of themselves as above the powers of ads and PR gimmicks. Unfortunately, science shows otherwise--as does the fact that corporations spend untold piles of cash on marketing endeavors. They wouldn't do it if it didn't work. This is why many of us feel compelled to buy snuggies and Shamwows. This is why Ronald McDonald is more recognizable than Jesus to the average four year old. This is why many of us feel the need to have a two story house with a pool that they don't use and can't afford.

Sure there's an argument for 'personal responsibility.' But we are all subject to the influence of marketing culture. As long as our culture worships at the throne of the boob tube, we will be the mindless, lazy, compliant consumers that corporations want as America collapses under the weight of it's own hubris.

Corporations have the money. Money buys marketing. Marketing shapes the zeitgeist.
04:39 PM on 01/02/2011
Heh. "Personal Responsibility" as corporations phrase it is worthless. It sums up to, "Meekly listen to our brainwashing but never do anything about it." There are things we can do individually that are useful, but they aren't what corporations want. Instead, we need to be proactive.

-Don't trust corporations. When a corporate representative or pro-corporate speaks, assume they are lying in their organization's self-interest until proven otherwise.

-Actively avoid advertisements in your daily lives. Stop watching so much TV in favor of the computer. Change the radio station when the ads play. Run an ad blocking plugin on your web browser (Firefox with NoScript, btw).

-Spread the word and empower others to see the evils of marketing, and to fight them as we fight them - proactively.
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07:15 PM on 01/02/2011
Marketing also decides elections. Swift boat and Willie Horton have shown that. Which is as dangerous, or more so, than consumerism.  Fanned.
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02:24 PM on 01/02/2011
I'm trying to parse this article, but not having much luck. It appears to be satirical or sarcastic or ironic or something, but what is Lear trying to say?

Perhaps he's saying we get the society we deserve. Where's my 11th grade English teacher when I need her?
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03:35 PM on 01/02/2011
Or perhaps Lear is saying, don't blame THEM because THEM is US.