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This Just May Have a Religious Sensibility

Posted: 06/06/2012 4:42 pm

Governor Walker, Candidate Romney and those who speak loudest for him are down on labor, down on their unions and union leaders. They are, in effect, down on the working man's right to band together and, to coin an expression, petition their bosses for a redress of their grievances. Some of them would have you think that unions are out to destroy America. Or that they have already destroyed an America that was. I think this:

The union leader, just like you and me -- and just like your boss and mine -- every corporate leader and all those who work for him, unionized or not -- are all human beings, born with the same capacities for good and for evil and for everything in between.

We humans are all born with a capacity for lust and greed, the desire for power and the capacity for its misuse in pursuit of our own interests. We are also born with the ability to ignore, discard or transcend those natural impulses and go along, as Lincoln put it, with the angels of our better nature.

We have seen labor and business leaders alike -- heads of some of our largest unions and the Chairmen and CEOS of some of our biggest banks and corporations, and a number of our most important political figures attain enormous power, and misuse it to the detriment of our society generally, and hundreds of thousands specifically and severely. Union leaders and corporate executives, even members of the clergy, humans all, are fully and equally capable of misusing power the same way -- and the evidence that some do (not all) is in front of us every day. I will leave it to you to judge which of them has the capacity to do the most damage.

If we have the guts to look at ourselves in the mirror and see ourselves honestly, and in the context of our common humanity, perhaps we can deal with human failure individually when we find it and stop demonizing by class, race, sex, politics, religion, and status. To put it in today's vernacular, and stop reading here if you guess the language could offend you, I'm fucking fed up with it!

 
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12:44 AM on 07/05/2012
I am a teacher in SC I have taught for 32 years. I am 56 years old. My daughter is 28 years old and a product of South Carolina's public Education system. She also got a business degree at a State supported college in SC. She is making as much as me. The only reason she is not making more than me right now is that I am a National Board Certified Teacher and In SC they award us with a $7500 bonus per year. They have since eliminated the program so in 2 years when my certification ends, I will lose $7500 a year.
10:15 PM on 06/10/2012
Here we have the GOP openly declaring war against the 99%, women, Latinos, blacks, and LGBTs. And yet the presidential race is statistically a tie! Something is very, very wrong with this picture. a) The US democratic process is corrupt and broken b) the Democratic party is corrupt, broken, and irredeemably incompetent or c)both a and b.
10:36 PM on 06/10/2012
you know that that 99% thing is not really right

of that 99% I'd say maybe 50 to 60% are doing alright....

they believe that the DEMs are really to blame for everything wrong in the USA

they seriously believe the recent meltdown recession was the Dems fault

and the Dems...just dont fight back...

many listen to limbaugh...think every word he says is gospel...

talk radio and TV is full of these extreme right-wingers

so in effect liberal media in the US is actually extreme right...
12:51 AM on 06/11/2012
So why do you think the Dems just don't fight back? Or why are they so ineffective at fighting back and why do they fail to learn from the GOP how to arouse the kind of fear that brings in the votes? I must admit, I just don't get how they can be so serially stupid. What keeps them from adopting the kind of Gingrich "newspeak" strategy which allowed the GOP to turn "liberal" into a dirty word which Americans refuse to identify with, even though most people's attitudes are actually more liberal than they are conservative. That was quite an achievement. Why are the Dems so unable to learn from the enemy?
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10:15 PM on 06/10/2012
Let's go back to the good old days. The bosses can hire their Pinkertons and live in their houses and party in their circumscribed personal domains. We can cheer on Bonny and Clyde and other gangs, rule the streets, and give them a great unwashed to be feared. They won't be as rich as they used to be but our rich people weren't the richest in the world in the good old days either.
Leave the new age to the Chinese and their soon to be megabillionaires. If it gets bad enough we can have a regime change.
08:36 PM on 06/10/2012
These guys don't have a clue about the human social forces and qualities that got them here, and the ones that are going to take them forward. It takes a community to create the pinnacle of success................and yet once an unbalanced ego climbs up on the pinnacle, it's so easy to forget the contribution of the 99% :-)
08:34 PM on 06/10/2012
Well put!
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ChaCubed
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08:11 PM on 06/10/2012
Has anyone calculated how much government union employees cost each tax payer in the State of Wisconsin vs minimum wage, low benefits government employees? How much is it per tax payer?
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05:38 PM on 06/10/2012
"They are, in effect, down on the working man's right to band together and, to coin an expression, petition their bosses for a redress of their grievances."

Nope. Pretty sure they are just down on unions completely ravaging the budgets of most states in the US, getting bloated, and voting themselves salaries and benefits that are far and away higher than those of the private sector.
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realitytrumpsbull
Two 'alves of coconut!
02:43 PM on 06/10/2012
Unions, bluntly put, can also be cronyistic hotbeds of crap and systemic taxpayer abuse. Let's apply some critical thinking, here, that all viewpoints/aspects/angles of this issue might be fairly represented, and the interest of the voting public served, not that of organized government-affiliated labor, or those that might seek to alter/control government through donations, but rather to get back 'on frequency' where if you're working in the People's house, you're there to do the bidding of the voting public, not inflict your/group's agenda upon them. Wisconsin, like many other states, is fiscally in arrears. The only way to fix it, is to make changes in overall outlays. Translation: Bad News for some people banking on job security, also Bad News for those of the greasy palm set, because the remedy for both situations is a vastly elevated level of public transparency wherein interested parties such as those on the hook for life through the tax system might easily avail themselves of the relevant details of the dark, sordid, sleazy inner workings of state government across the country. I think that about covers it.
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Autismmomx4
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02:26 PM on 06/10/2012
Hey, remember when school teachers, fire fighters, police offers and nurses collapsed the economyand caused the bank bailouts? Me neither.
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realitytrumpsbull
Two 'alves of coconut!
02:44 PM on 06/10/2012
Union stuff killed GM.
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Paul Asplund
...really?
03:27 PM on 06/10/2012
Making crappy cars killed GM...
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SoCalOC
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07:43 PM on 06/10/2012
Poor corpo management F'd GM
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realitytrumpsbull
Two 'alves of coconut!
02:44 PM on 06/10/2012
Can we see some salary and benefit reports, please? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.$$ 6 figures plus, annually....and then, if there's an emergency, they do NOT want to put down the donut and respond.
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WaldoForever
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02:12 PM on 06/10/2012
Everyone seems to forget why we have unions in the first place. Without unions - as has been demonstrated many times since the industrial revolution - individual workers have absolutely no control over their lives and livelihoods. They would not get livable wages, they would not get health care or anything more than minimal workplace safety standards, they would have little in the way of job or retirement security, and anyone who asked for more would find themselves out of a job and on the street faster than can be imagined. This was the norm in American industry prior to the creation of unions, and it's still the norm in industry in countries like Mexico, China, the Philippines and other sweatshop states.

Without unions, industry becomes the perfect fear-driven system: people dependent on a job for the bread on their table cannot risk complaining about how little bread they can afford. Unions are the only way to give individual workers sufficient collective power to obtain a measure of security and comfort in their lives.

Unions aren't perfect, but big business isn't perfect either, and if we are going to have a society that is driven by greed it is contingent upon us to make sure that workers have the capacity to be as greedy as the people who employ them. If they don't, they are no better than slaves.
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alumcreek
sorry to see humanity repeating errors ad nauseam
04:55 PM on 06/10/2012
No one in teh right wants wants any individuals to have right s or any control of anything. Do what you are told or get lost. Yes, its dangerous but you are the only one likely to be hurt and you have no rights is the theory behind less than benevolent managements.

The overwhelming majority of employers prior to unions raised and lowered pay at whim as well as work hours. No healthcare and no retirement.

Any fool who imagines that this has changed needs merely look at the makiladora plants across the border. No need to worry about employees. Worry about stockholders only. Employees are not really human, Stockholders are truly human.
10:38 PM on 06/10/2012
When unions are strong, salaries and benefits rise for all workers.
I truly believe that the Koch brothers and others of the 1% are determined to drag everyone back to a Dickensian dystopia.
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WaldoForever
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11:05 AM on 06/11/2012
"Dickensian dystopia"… that earns a fave.
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lenguss
02:08 PM on 06/10/2012
No, Norman, they are just against the 'right' of 'unions' to strike against the public. There is no such right. By the way, note that when union dues are not forcibly taken from public employees salaries, public union membership plunges. Shouldn't that tell you something?
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alumcreek
sorry to see humanity repeating errors ad nauseam
04:56 PM on 06/10/2012
It says that humans are foolish and greedy. Have you noticed that many presumably sentient voters back a party that has never backed them on any law because it backs only rich guys?
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lenguss
07:38 PM on 06/10/2012
1. Since half the country is Republican that means that half of us are rich, plus a few rich Democrats like Obama, Clooney, Soros, etc. So what's the problem?
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Claude Hosch
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02:03 PM on 06/10/2012
Great article. Human behavior is at the heart of most that goes wrong. While we look in the mirror at ourselves we may benefit by considering the term, "human beings." Humans being something, and we can change that something for the better. There's not a lot we can change about others, and a lot we can change about ourselves. If we want a better world there is no better place to start than with self. Everyone on HP taking such action would make HP and the world better by the sum total of "us."
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ConservativeAmongWolves
One guy against a pack of Howlers
02:00 PM on 06/10/2012
So Norman, what are YOU going to do about it?

When we find good people in management AND labor, we should support them.

The issue TODAY with public sector unions is that they first, have benefited from uncommon job security by the nature of who they work for and second, have been able to push their COLLECTIVE earings average WAY ABOVE the private sector so now, there is an adjustment being made....across the country, but in particular in Wisconsin.

Many people are fed up, a majority of those voting in Wisconsin.
Jesterband
the fastest swimmer
04:28 PM on 06/10/2012
I have to wonder why unionized labor has pushed "...their COLLECTIVE earings average WAY ABOVE the private sector..." Is it because the private sector's earnings have remained stagnent for so long? Also are you of the opinion that policemen, firemen and teachers are overpaid?

BTW the recall election results could also reflect the wish to go with the flow rather than elect someone they already rejected. Perhaps a better challenger would have produced a different result.
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ConservativeAmongWolves
One guy against a pack of Howlers
06:25 AM on 06/11/2012
I think it's a straight......"We support Gov Walker result."

Blame the challenger.......Blame the out of state money......Blame the people. Results are the same.....TWICE.
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Avak
I think, therefore I am liberal
06:27 PM on 06/10/2012
Actually, the majority of people in Wisconsin believe in union rights, but they have also said that they didn't believe in ousting the governor unless he'd committed at least something close to felony. Attacking Scott Walker and attacking union oppression are different things, and the re-election of Walker should not be taken to by synonymous with a majority despise of unions.
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ConservativeAmongWolves
One guy against a pack of Howlers
06:26 AM on 06/11/2012
Who said anything about "despising" unions? For every overreach, there is usually a reaction. There was.
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Scientistengineer
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01:54 PM on 06/10/2012
Jeez - the Bible has been telling us for centuries that mankind is inherently sinful and selfish. Even non-believers recognize this. Men will play the system to their own selfish advantage 99 out of 100 times. The problem is to design the system such that it is more difficult to abuse it. Unions are good and provide some measure of protection for the worker. However, the use of public union funds to buy kickbacks from the politicians that negotiate their benefits has led to abuses so flagrant that the public is beginning to notice. We are - - - - - - (darned) fed up with it - hence the election in Wisconsin and the push back in other states.
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kgay
01:44 PM on 06/10/2012
All that a union, private or public sector, does is level the playing field and try to prevent workers from being victims of the greed we have seen on Wall Street, in government, and in private corporations. If you who are without unions want to blame your fellow workers in a fit of jealousy, instead of working to organize and gain power like the union workers have done, blame those who are preventing you from doing so, like Scott Walker. As for holding the line against spending, what about holding bankers accountable for gambling away trillions?