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"What You Talkin' Bout, Willard?"

Posted: 08/25/11 03:39 PM ET

I don't have to explain that line to Americans who grew up watching one of
 our production company's sitcoms, Diff'rent Strokes, which ran for eight
seasons between 1978 and 1986 and for years after in syndication. Anyone 
who knows the show will recall this signature phrase repeated by the young
 Gary Coleman to his older brother when stupefied and maddened by something
 his brother just said, "What you talkin' bout, Willis?"

I know some people think Willard Mitt Romney is the only responsible adult
i n that implausible field of presidential hopefuls, but often he will say
 something so surprising and disingenuous in this seemingly endless campaign, 
I find myself thinking, "What you talkin' bout, Willard?"

Absent a profanity, I don't know a better reaction to Romney's declaration 
that "corporations are people." Of course he'd be correct if the people
 he's referring to are the billionaire Koch brothers. Or if they are the 
people who are setting up phony corporations for the purpose of supporting
 Willard Mitt Romney's candidacy with million dollar gifts, and they could of 
course include the Kochs.

"What you talkin' bout, Willard?" leaps to mind at the thought of the natty
 Harvard-educated Wall Street executive and former Massachusetts governor 
railing against "eastern elites" at the last Republican National Convention. And it aches to be shouted out when I am reminded that Willard Mitt Romney, 
seeking someone to head his legal team, chose a man whose reactionary views
 about the U.S. Constitution led to a bi-partisan Senate vote to keep him off 
the Supreme Court, Robert Bork.

Willard's embrace of Bork, despite his angry rants since then, such as those
 calling for active government censorship of popular culture, is clearly 
meant to signal far-right activists that they can count on more Supreme
 Court Justices in the mold of Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito, who are all
 energetically working to make Romney's assertion that "corporations are 
people" a legal reality.

What are you talkin' bout, Willard?

Originally posted at Variety's Wilshire and Washington blog

 
 
 
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06:36 PM on 08/29/2011
If corporations are people with equal protection, (not corporations are MADE UP of people) like Citizen's United says, then owning them is outlawed by the Thirteenth Amendment. All owners and stockholders must be imprisoned!
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jf12
Occupying myself
10:38 AM on 08/29/2011
Vote buying is the far more effective 21st century version of poll tax disenfranchisement.
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All Heart
10:47 PM on 08/28/2011
Corporations are people? Give me a break. A corporation is a TOOL used by people to make a profit by employing capital and other people (labor). Sure there are people in each corporation, they either contribute (labor) or benefit (stockholders) or contribute some by benefitting extraordinarily (CEOs, etc.) To give a corporation the right of a person is to give some people a multiple of the rights of others. This is not what a democracy should stand for. This is facism.
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southingtonian
"I'm a Capricorn and you can't make me do sh*t.."
11:34 PM on 08/28/2011
SCOTUS has ruled that corporations are people, insofar as campaign contributions go. We all know it is a bald-faced move to avoid the contribution limits favored by the average citizen to reign in big-money interests' influence on our 'representatives.' We are not fooled, but we are punked.
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Mark Dobbins
I may be dumb but I'm not that dumb
09:33 PM on 08/28/2011
Wow, so when lacking logic, let's make fun of his funny first name? I remember when we used to do that in fifth grade. Just pitiful that this is all you have to offer.
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09:21 PM on 08/28/2011
Let's surely 'Bork' him, too.
09:02 PM on 08/28/2011
This post is clearly dripping with Citizens United, so let's just address that straight on.

Can any critic of Citizens United tell me of two constitutional rights that when you exercise one you lose the right to the other?

That seems to me to be the crux of Citizens United opposition. Just because people decide to exercise their right to association (form a corporation or a union) doesn't mean they should be constrained in their speech through that association. I know it's not popular to remind people, but Citizens United affected corporations and unions.

Why should exercising one right limit the ability to exercise another? I'm not trying to be snide; I'd seriously like to know.
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WilliamBradford
Veritas vos Liberabit
08:29 PM on 08/28/2011
It's interesting that "we the people" can be the government but, when those same people formally commit their time and/or money to an organized private sector venture, they are no longer people.

If we can say we have government of the people, why is it such a stretch to acknowledge that when we have an American corporation it is also of the people?
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bonthomme
"Don't you know who I think I was?"
08:47 PM on 08/28/2011
Oh rubbish. How exactly did they cease to be people? They have lost no individual rights whatsoever. They ARE trying to garner additional rights, though. Regarding corporations as people is the Three Fifths Compromise in reverse, and no less perverse.
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WilliamBradford
Veritas vos Liberabit
10:19 PM on 08/28/2011
Clever attempt, but no. The point of Romney's comment is that corporations are made up of people. In that sense, they are the people involved. Modern corporations are no less people than any other special interest group. Citizens United wasn't about taking away rights; it was about making sure that free speech was equally available.

If one group of people in free association have fewer rights than another group of people, just because of the nature of that group, then they have lost some of their rights.
10:14 AM on 08/29/2011
"We, the people" IS the government. It is the definition of the US government as being made up of "we the people". Is there no end to the way the right will distort these founding principles?

In fact, Jefferson and Madison proposed an 11th Amendment to the Constitution that would "ban monopolies in commerce," making it illegal for corporations to own other corporations, banning them from giving money to politicians or trying to influence elections in any way, restricting corporations to a single business purpose, limiting the lifetime of a corporation to something roughly similar to that of productive humans (20 to 40 years back then), and requiring that the first purpose for which all corporations were created be "to serve the public good."

The reason this amendment didn't pass was because it was agreed that the states already maintained such restrictions. How times have changed! Indeed now we have "tea partiers" wearing tri corner hats who don't even realize they are paying tribute to a revolt against the largest corporation of its day, the East India Tea Company, and the favorable tax policies the British government had put in place to give it an unfair advantage.

Ignorance is really destroying this country. I just don't know why intelligent people keep enabling its progress.
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WilliamBradford
Veritas vos Liberabit
11:39 AM on 08/29/2011
As you probably know, corporations were a much different kind of entity at the time of the founders. The problem with the East India Company was its incestuous relationship with the government. The British system that allowed government to grant monopolies to certain corporations was the definition of corruption. This is the kind of arrangement that the founders were writing about in the selective quotes that you cite.

We still have these problems today, but it is because of corrupt politicians and the overwhelming amount of money and power that the government controls. It is not because corporations can engage in political speech.

I agree with you that the economic and political power of mega-multinational corporations are a negative influence, in many respects, on our society and government.
Joel Smithis
Small business owner
07:10 PM on 08/28/2011
Corporation is the vehicle to make money, nothing more and nothing less. Since corporation needs a workforce to do that, and in modern times is willing to share the fruits of the labor, corporation can be a very positive entity in a prosperous society.

The problem arises when corporations requests sainthood for itself, and tries to exempt itself from being part of the responsible economic system. Then corporation may become a negative force that facilitates issuing laws that serve only corporations to maximizes profits for top management at the cost to it's host, the country.

We The People form the goverment to block that trend. We create regulations that keep corporations honest, enact taxes that prevent accumulation of excess wealth in few hands. That's how Founding Fathers intended. Unfortunately, in large part these functions of the goverment have been already diminished and corporations actually are writing the laws in this Congress. That's what Romney meant by saying "corporations are the people".
06:04 PM on 08/28/2011
Oh please. Don't take everything so literally. Clearly, he was making the point that individuals
make up corporations and that their earnings flow to the benefit of their employees and the
capital markets which finance investments. The pay at the very top has become indefensible
but business it not the enemy, it is the solution. The more mandates, rules and regulations
flowing from Obama's pen, the fewer jobs and less growth there will be. Not that anyone on
this site cares, but it was an act of Congress that led to the obscene increase in executive pay.
Congress, in its infinite wisdom, decided to cap deductible pay at $1 million. That began the
practice of salaries of $999,000 and unlimited stock options. With the internet boom, pay packages
routinely skyrocketed. Unintended consequences again overtake the best intentions!
Joel Smithis
Small business owner
06:51 PM on 08/28/2011
Yeah right, give'em a break! Record profits under Obama, yeah, it's all goverment fault, just let them loose, they will show all of us where their priorities are!

All the corporate bashing I hear come from FNC telling eveyone how WH is trashing the free enterprise system. Never heard the word from Obama himself.
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The Mad Guesser
People are alike all over.
04:59 PM on 08/28/2011
If corporations are people, then in which states can they marry if they are not gay? Is Microsoft a male or a female corporation? Would your answer be different if they baked cookies? Sub-chapter S ones are definitely female but would NFL players quit if they knew their league was female corporation?
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yelnatsfavorite
08:48 PM on 08/28/2011
One vote per corporation?. What if I'm a democrat working for a republican based corporation? Can I withhold my campaign contribution and donate to my party of choice?
03:14 PM on 08/28/2011
not only are are corporations people but they also by the same logic and legal reasoning, have the right to run for office. which for progressives like myself may appear a travesty of the constitution but taken to its extreme, is perhaps a good thing. only when a corporation is an office holder are they then directly accountable for their actions. the way the system currently works is that corporations employ the fall guy and pimp, your elected official. perhaps they might be will to pass the savings on to the consumer.
02:56 PM on 08/28/2011
Statement by President Herbert Hoover on March 8, 1932

“Nothing is more important than balancing the budget with the least increase in taxes. The Federal Government should be in such position that it will need issue no securities which increase the public debt after the beginning of the next fiscal year, July 1. That is vital to the still further promotion of employment and agriculture. It gives positive assurance to business and industry that the Government will keep out of the money market and allow industry and agriculture to borrow the monies required for the conduct of business. I cannot overemphasize the importance of the able nonpartisan effort being made by the Ways and Means Committee and the Economy Committee of the House whose work are complementary to each other.

Now I know why Washington is focused on the deficit instead of unemployment
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toofarleft4thisworld
the Lord giveth; the Landlord taketh away
09:04 PM on 08/28/2011
things really picked up after that too
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WilliamBradford
Veritas vos Liberabit
03:57 PM on 08/29/2011
That's a subject that hardly gets discussed anymore, but it is painfully relevant.

Each year, the US government borrows (at least) hundreds of billions of dollars from US and international investors. Just imagine how much of that investment money might go into productive, job-creating businesses if the federal government wasn't sucking it all up.
02:26 PM on 08/28/2011
http://www­.huffingto­npost.com/­2011/06/28­/a-single-­house-in-w­yoming-bus­iness-have­n_n_885863­.html#comm­ents

A corporatio­n is a legal person created by state statute that can be used as a fall guy, a servant, a good friend or a decoy," the company's website boasts. "A person you control... yet cannot be held accountabl­e for its actions. Imagine the possibilit­ies!"

Campaign Finance Reform or Fascism—th­at is everyone’s choice whether they know it or not.

http://www­­­.dylanra­t­i­gan.co­m/­20­11/0­8/1­9/o­ur­-con­stit­­ution­al-a­m­endm­ent­-ge­t-m­on­ey-ou­t-­o­f-polit­i­­cs/
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Soulmentor
"To thine own self be true...."
01:49 PM on 08/28/2011
The whole Repub lot is a circus of very frightening clowns. God help this country if they succeed.
01:39 PM on 08/28/2011
Cutting Corporate tax will not solve the employment problem, they will still go to countries with low labor cost and then pay less tax in the U.S.. Why don't we try increasing our tariff tax equal to those we import from. 1/3 of the money is in off shore accounts to avoid thier fair share of taxes and we want to award them for this, instead of closing the loop holes they enjoy.