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UFC 143 Shows Judging Still a Problem in MMA

Posted: 02/ 5/2012 2:28 pm

Something quite bizarre happened last night: the main event at UFC 143 consisted of Nick Diaz stalking Carlos Condit while the latter spent the entire fight either backtracking or literally running away. One can sum up the bout by saying that Nick Diaz came to fight, and Carlos Condit didn't. Diaz conclusively won rounds 1, 2 and 5 (the 4th legitimately went to Condit, and the 3rd was a close call). Towards the end of the fight, Diaz got Condit to the ground and took his back, had him in a body triangle, and nearly finished the fight via a beautiful arm lock (not common from that position). It was the cherry that topped what should've been an obvious Diaz victory. When it was time for the judges' decision, the words "by unanimous decision" were perfectly expected, but the name that followed them wasn't. The judges had decided that Condit won the fight.

There was a time early on in Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) when bad decisions could be blamed on judges' lack of familiarity with the intricacies of MMA (mistaking pulling guard for falling, not recognizing subtle position shifts and submission attempts, etc.). But over the past decade, particularly under Dana White's leadership, the UFC mainstreamed MMA to a point where we should be able to assume that those selected to judge it know what they're actually looking at by now.

Condit explained in the post-fight press conference that the game plan was to strike and run away, because actually coming to really fight would've likely given Diaz the victory (not quite in those words, but listen to it yourself and judge). The judges ignored Diaz's control of the octagon, his near submission of Condit, and decided the strategy of occasional striking and frequent running was a good one.

Following the decision, my friends and I sat there in disbelief at the sports bar where we watched the event, and one of them speculated that granting the victory to Condit may have been a PR decision motivated by seeking to promote better representatives for the sport. With the UFC breaking ever deeper into the mainstream (and recently making it onto Fox), the speculation is that disrespectful trash-talkers like Nick Diaz are not the best representatives of the image the UFC would like to project. It is phenomenal fighters likes George St. Pierre (GSP) and Jon "Bones" Jones, who also carry themselves with class, who project the best image for the sport (and that much is pretty much true).

Of course, the idea of PR decisions influencing bout outcomes is extremely far-fetched, and last night's outcome is particularly so, given the hype that awaited a potential GSP/Diaz fight for the Welterweight belt (the UFC definitely wouldn't have wanted to miss out on that). But the decision to grant victory to Condit was so absurd that even informed MMA fans could not help but wonder about things we knew were very unlikely.

The most likely explanation is, once again, that the judges didn't know what they were doing. This is inexcusable. Because of their incompetence, a great fighter like Diaz said last night that he was quitting the sport (whether that was just venting in a moment of frustration or whether it was a serious decision remains to be seen). Diaz said "I don't need this sh*t, you know what I mean?! I pushed this guy backwards. He ran from me the whole fight... If that was the way they understand how to win in here, I don't want to play this game no more."

Of course, it's not about Diaz or any one fighter in particular, it's about respecting MMA fans' understanding of the sport. We're not just there to watch brawls or fancy spinning back kicks (well, at least many of us aren't there just for that), we're there because we appreciate both the intensity and the complexity of this great sport (I would argue "greatest" sport, but that's a whole other article). That's why a serious effort should be made to get better judges into the sport. I don't have to agree with their decisions 100% of the time. They should just pick a winner for whom a plausible case for victory could be made. Condit's "victory" was nothing of the kind.

As for the fighters, there are two lessons they could've taken away from the fight: the first lesson is that running away is a good way to earn yourself a victory. The second lesson is one that Dana White himself continuously urges: finish fights so their outcome is not up to judges. For the sake of the sport, let's hope their takeaway is the latter lesson, not the first.

 

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10:36 AM on 02/10/2012
I am glad he lost and quitting just shows more of his immaturity. Condit didn't stand right in front of him and let him beat his face what? Who would he ultimately beat him by doing what he said he was going to do. Diaz was just upset and embarrassed that he couldn't finish the fight. whaaaa whaaaa now just to get his brother out of there he is worse than Diaz was.
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08:05 AM on 02/07/2012
Judging in MMA is a joke. i watched keith jardine get blooded up , reel backwards, pummeled, get the living daylightrs beat out of him...and wind up with a draw last year cause he was fighting a European unknown...WHY? ...becauase he is an MMA celebrity..hapens in boxcing too..Ali ( vs. Jimmy Young), Jimmy Ellis, sugar ray Leonard, others have gotten phantom wins based on their celebrity status.
11:45 PM on 02/06/2012
1. "Conduit outstruck Diaz" - if you look at the total strikes and leave out the leg kicks (I only saw a handful of actual leg kicks (with power), not just strikes that Condit hit with his foot)), you get:
Diaz: 111 Condit: 91
If you want to see leg kicks, see Jose Aldo, Anderson Silva, or Thiago Alves. Hitting the opponent with your foot (rather than the shin) is not an effective leg kick.

2. "Look at Diaz's Face!" I guess these commenters have never watched a Diaz Fight. If you look closely at his face, it looks like a scratch (toenail?) not some major damage

3. "Condit was in and out/had great footwork" Backpedaling 80% of the fight while not throwing effective strikes is not footwork. Effective footwork is taking a stepor two avoiding the strike and countering; not backing away 15 feet and making the opponent chase you.

4. "Diaz didn't land anything/he couldn't take him down. When your opponent is backing away constantly, how is he supposed to land? What if Diaz just decided to stand in the middle of the cage and not CHASE Condit? If Diaz didn't "stalk" "walk down" Condit, there wouldn't have been a fight.
11:51 PM on 02/06/2012
5. "He fought a smart fight" I gave up on boxing after watching since I was 8 because of fighters fighting not to lose, rather than to finish or win the fight. The GOAL of MMA is to FINISH THE FIGHT! It never was to outpoint/win a decision. I was a GSP Fan before he became so cautious that he almost never bothers to finish because he figures it's too "risky."

I was a big Carlos Condit Fan before this fight. You watch any of his previous fights and listen to his Primetime/Countdown interviews (saying how he'll die in the cage, blah blah) and you can only conclude that he fought to win, not finish. Thanks Greg Jackson!
Condit has fought more dangerous strikers (Hardy) and seemed to have no problem engaging, so why now?
If this is the way MMA is going (going for points and decisions) I'll go watch my old UFC/Vale Tudo Fights.
Finishes are what made MMA exciting. If now fighters will tap and run, "lay n' pray," why bother?
12:17 PM on 02/07/2012
5. If the goal of MMA was to finish the fight and not win, then they wouldn't have rounds, judges, or a time limit. It also wouldn't be a sport. If you think Condit wasn't trying to finish, you go stand in front of him and ask to be hit as hard as Diaz was.

Dan Hardy is not a more dangerous striker. He is more powerful, but he is not very good. He merely wings shots. Anybody with decent speed and footwork can take him out. Diaz, on the other hand,is very hard to put down and has insane cardio matched only by a few other fighters. And if Diaz was trying to finish the fight so much, why was he plodding around so slowly?
05:49 PM on 02/07/2012
You mean those old UFC and Vale Tudo fights that often featured hardly any action which also went to a time limit and consequently also a draw? LOL. My god, anyone who remembers when Tank/Oleg was considered one of the ALL TIME best UFC fights would be thankful for a match with almost 300 strikes landed. If you think that everyone in the old UFC and Vale Tudo matches fought to finish and not for points you are seriously delusional or misinformed.

Fighters in modern MMA have been going for points AT LEAST since the era of Marco Ruas, who deliberately exerted as little energy as possible in fights to outpoint people. You know...UFC and Vale Tudo champ Marco Ruas? There were plenty of non-finishes in that era and many of the finishes there WERE came due to a lack of grappling or overall fight knowledge on the part of the competitors.

Fighters are IMPROVING, that's why they're becoming harder to finish. I can point to literally any UFC title fight ever that went to a decision and show you 10-100 points where oldschool UFC and vale tudo fighters would have been finished. Remember when the guillotine was an automatic fight-ender? Now we have guys who can't be guillotined like Ebersole because THEY FIGURED OUT HOW TO DEFEND. Your sort of complaints have been heard after every fight which goes to a decision, ever. This is tiresome.
12:10 PM on 02/07/2012
1. The official fight stats only give Diaz 105 strikes. You also forgot to discount Diaz's leg kicks. You only saw a handful, but the record shows 18 power leg kicks. Since we're discounting things in the fight, let's get rid of body shots too, since they are equivalent in purpose to leg kicks. They are meant to sap energy and wind from an opponent. Condit looked fresh in the 5th. That leaves head shots. Condit landed 50% more power shots to the head than Diaz.

2. What's your point? Condit's face still looked better than Diaz's. And Diaz had surgery so his face wouldn't bleed as easily. Condit hasn't.

3. 15 feet? Do you know how long a foot is? The only time they were 15 feet apart was befor the bell rung each round.

4. Yes, he should have stood there or chased him. Had he just stood in the center, Condit would have changed his gameplan. The difference between them is Condit can change from round to round. Diaz can't.
05:44 PM on 02/07/2012
3. You mean circling? That's footwork. Even going backwards is footwork, and going backwards against a striker like Diaz usually gets people knocked out - yet strangely, Condit avoided that. You seem to think this is because going backwards automatically nullifies all potential offense and should be penalized; unfortunately your inability to give Condit credit for anything at all is showing again. Do you honestly think that the only sort of effective footwork possible is taking "a step or two" to one side? So what does that "allow" in your view in a fight - small sidesteps and forward movement only? Again, LOL. Oh, and "80% of the time" is a stupid figure you pulled from either your ass or your imagination - let's try to stick to the stats, which show Condit easily outlanding Diaz in all but one round.

But he went backwards and sideways, so he loses? Pfffft.

4. Like everyone has already tried to tell you, CUT OFF THE CAGE. Read the transcript of Diaz's corner literally BEGGING him to do that in the last couple of rounds. If Diaz stood in the center of the cage and did nothing Condit would land leg kicks on him the same way he did when Diaz stood still and tried to taunt him into a punching exchange that no technical striker would fall for. Duh.
07:42 PM on 02/06/2012
*crickets* where did Omar go? I wanted to talk more about the irony of using Pat Miletich as an advocate for MMA aggression winning fights - LOL. I think Mr. Baddar missed the "Croatian Sedation" era.
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07:13 PM on 02/06/2012
Omar Badder = "Just Bleed" guy.
06:00 PM on 02/06/2012
I dont usually post comments but this writer is so ignorant and full of himself as a judge of mma that I had to respond. IF this were written by a first time viewer of the sport I might excuse him but otherwise this is probably the worst breakdown of a fight Ive read. Diaz gives fighters two options ..... 1. stand in front of him with your back against the fence and go toe to toe (stupid) or 2. fight smart and technical and expose his weakness (whatever that may be). If you think Diaz won than fine (it was a close fight) but to call it one of the worse decisions just cause Diaz kept coming forward (thats what he does) and when Condit clearly outstruck him and was the smarter more well rounded fighter ..... please stop writing about this sport!
04:43 PM on 02/06/2012
Omar Baddar, I think you're wrong and biased in the assessment of the fight. The two faces tell a different story one is bruised up and the other slightly so. What Nick has is aggressiveness, and this time he met someone who's not gonna cower to his intimidation tactics. I mean what was he doing the whole five records? why didn't he finish him(condit). The answer is, he couldn't. How many fighters have lost controversial decisions and still fought on. Dude's a coward.
05:12 PM on 02/06/2012
All we need now is to find someone to teach his kid bro a lesson too.
03:52 PM on 02/06/2012
Wow... okay... So how come no one here is talking about Nick Diaz not changing tactics in the fight... He didn't cut the ring off or try to take Carlos Condit down... It was a close fight and as Dana White says "DON'T LEAVE IT IN THE HANDS OF THE JUDGES". Nick tried to turn it into a brawl because that was his best chance of winning... He didn't try to take Condit down or make any adjustments... Since when do we all defend fighters... He lost a close decision and didn't get it done... In a close fight you better do something... Instead of blaming it on the judges let's ask the questions of Nick Diaz... Why didn't cut the ring off? because he was slowed down by leg kicks and why didn't try for a take down because he didn't want anything to do Carlos Condit's ground game... Before you argue he could have taken Carlos on the ground then why didn't he in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round... How about this one.. Condit is pretty smart for not standing in Front of Nick like BJ Penn and Cerrone did with Nate Diaz...
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09:25 AM on 02/07/2012
actually i did but it looks like my posts were removed lol.
09:35 AM on 02/06/2012
Anderson Silva, Chuck Liddell, Jens Pulver, Matt Lindland, Ronda Rousey, Dan Henderson, Dan Hardy, Pat Miletich, Royce Gracie all gave Diaz the win 3 rounds to 2. I guess they are all clueless too?? Condit literally ran away from Diaz..
11:39 AM on 02/06/2012
he attacked then he evaded. the only time he "ran away" was when he was being pushed up against the cage. and even then, he threw in punches or kicks before he got out. brilliant game plan. i was rooting for diaz, but i was very impressed with condit's performance. his kicks were superior, and he threw knees and back fists. nick was very one dimensional. he needs work.
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11:49 AM on 02/06/2012
Maybe we should all boycott GSP Conduit, bc what happened Sat night was a travesty.... I couldn't believe Conduit took the title by running.. everyone I was watching the fight with thought it was the weakest decision in MMA history
03:54 PM on 02/06/2012
yawn... why don't we boycott Nick Diaz's next fight for not changing tactics and trying to take down Carlos Condit... Mainly because we would be missing a good fighter fight...
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09:16 AM on 02/06/2012
Total Bs.Condit ran away the entire fight..Diaz was robbed.
FTW,Diaz 209..
07:25 AM on 02/06/2012
At the end of the fight Condit landed more shots and caused more damage. He did not fight diaz's fight where they just stand in front of each other like rock'em'sock'em' robots until one falls. At the end of the day you don't win fights even in the street just by walking forward and getting hit. Carlos Condit fought Diaz like a matodor fights a bull.
12:10 PM on 02/06/2012
really? you sound like a boxing judge...isn't and shouldn't there be an intent to finish your opponent? should fights be scored merely on how many times you tag a guy? this sport will falter heavily if that is the case. how many people will watch anderson silva run and jab...or guys like sean sherk hold a guy down to the mat??? there must be intent to finish and not just out point someone...point should play a role when both fighters engage and no one was able to submit or ko the other. diaz is far more talented than you give him credit for...but i guess any yahoo can post on here...you don't have to have any mma knowledge to make an opinion!
02:36 PM on 02/06/2012
I don't see anywhere in my previous comment where I didn't give Diaz credit for being talented. The only thing I said about him was Condit fought Diaz like a matador fights a bull. I agree that their should be intent to finish the fight. But you don't win a fight with good or bad intentions. You win by damaging your opponent more than he damages you. And that's what Condit did. If Diaz wanted to finish the fight he could have taken him down or actually pinned Condit up against the fence. Everytime he got Condit up to the fence he let him go. He never adapted to condit's game plan. Everytime Condit felt he was close to the fence he would wait for Diaz to start throwing punches and duck to one side or the other and throw a body punch. Diaz could have thrown and uppercut, a knee, or any other numerous techniques that he knows. But all he wanted to do was pin him up against the fence like he did with bj penn. I understand that you don't agree with me, but that doesn't change anything. Nick diaz is an entertaining and talented fighter but he just got beat this time. Maybe that rematch will meet your standards. As for me I'll continue to watch every single ufc event and training in jiu jitsu and boxing.
04:56 PM on 02/06/2012
Strategy has been used throughout MMA. But since it was Condit doing it against Diaz... If it were vise versa they would have praised Diaz for His new found smartness and use of the octagon. People that are saying Diaz won are one way or the other biased.
03:51 AM on 02/06/2012
You need to watch that fight a few more times, sober. You must have been having a couple with your buddies. Maybe lose a bet? You're more naive to his loss than Diaz himself thinking he won. Thank god your not a judge. You should consider something other than MMA reporting.
03:35 AM on 02/06/2012
Dude, that is the worst fight breakdown ever. You should stop watching the sport, you genuinely have no clue.
01:33 AM on 02/06/2012
This article is a travesty. Not only were their implications of corruption towards licensed officials (who work for the Nevada State Athletic Commission and NOT the UFC) but an outright declaration of ineptitude.

As far as being incompetent goes, isn't the pot talking to the kettle when a political science blogger is sounding off on something he has a clearly rudimentary understanding of?

Diaz did not "conclusively win" Rounds 1 and 5 as he was so confident to say.

This was an extremely close fight. Not an "obvious victory"

If we're making implications about things, please find my implication in this quote: "Following the decision, my friends and I sat there in disbelief at the sports bar where we watched the event"

I do agree with the author on a few choice statements. Intensity and Complexity are both amazing reasons why MMA is such an incredible sport. I would recommend Mr. Baddar take some time to do some intensive research into the complexity he mentioned prior to making any further articles about the sport.

If landing more strikes doesn't win rounds and winning rounds does, then writing articles about judging doesn't make you a judge. Nor does being a former or current fighter (who the author is quick to bring to his defense). I am a certified judge. I've paid my money, studied my ass off, passed the courses and have the certificates to prove it. Condit won that fight.
01:29 AM on 02/06/2012
I saw this fight relatively the same way this writer did. I do not criticize Condit for backing and being illusive. I just do not believe that he was illusive enough. Nick Diaz's face should not be a factor to measure damage, he scar easily plane and simple. I believe Carlos had a good strategy but nicks was better. Back when Lyoto Machida and rampage fought I gave the win to Machida because he used the same strategy but more effectively. Machida damaged Rampage with his strategy and got a loss, Condit didn't damage nick and got a win, I don't understand.