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Sh*t Your Married Friends Say

Posted: 07/11/11 12:04 PM ET

When I was married, I didn't have any divorced friends. But if I did, I'm sure I would have tried to give them advice--the misdirected kind, skewed by my marital goggles.

I am not suggesting that us divorcees are part of some special club, but we do have a unique experience that those who have not been through can't really understand. Fortunately for them, they just don't get it.

I suspect it's no different in reverse. Should someone who has never been married give marital advice? Should someone who has never had children provide child-rearing tips? I once told my sister, when her two year old was colicky, that she should stop trying to feed her corn. That didn't go over so well--with either of them.


Two of my close girlfriends are divorced--we all split with our exes around the same time. They are now both in serious relationships, and like me, they have pretty much healed (or want to believe they have).

The only difference between them and I is I'm still single.

To some people, single is a condition that needs fixing. I understand that people close to me feel the need to "help" me. They want me to be happy (even though I think that most of the time, I am), and they think if I find my next husband, like my divorced girlfriends have, I will be.

I realize that their intentions come from a good place -- love. I understand the ache, or the itch, to make a loved one's burden lighter, and sometimes we can't resist the urge to scratch it. Even though it might not help.

Here are my top ten favorite bits of well intentioned, but painfully misguided, advice that I've heard divorcees receive over the years:

File under: "Even though you had a bad divorce, can't you just kiss and make up?":

Divorced person says: "I got a very sweet email from my ex-husband...after all this time..."

Married person answers: "Maybe you two should go on a date."

File under: "I've never been divorced and think moving on is as easy as moving a couch" :

Divorced person says: "I had a dream that I saw my ex-husband and we made up. I woke up really sad."

Married person answers: "Wow, I can't believe you're not over it yet."

File under: "Since I'm happily married I've never had to online date, but it can't be that bad":

Divorced person says: "This guy I met on Match.com told me his last girlfriend called the cops on him after they had a fight, but that she's the one that started it."

Married person answers: "Give him a chance."

File under: "I've been married so long I think a ticking clock is that thing on my nightstand":

Divorced person with no kids says: "I can't believe I'm going to be 40 this year. When I was married, I thought I'd have at least two kids."

Married person with kids answers: "You're overreacting. My friends started having kids at 44. You can still have three."

File under: "I don't want to judge you but I'm going to anyway":

Divorced person answers: "Sometimes it still hurts that my husband cheated on me."

Married person says: "Didn't you know that was going to happen? You can't just travel for work all the time and expect your husband to stay faithful."

File under: "I'm competitive with my spouse so I'm assuming everyone else is, too":

Divorced person says: "I just heard my ex-wife is getting married again."

Married person answers: "Wow, so she beat you."

File under: "You should have planned things better when you were married":

Divorced person says: "I really want a child and my divorce has delayed everything."

Married person with kids answers: "Just do it. Pick anyone. It doesn't matter who."

File under: "Since I've never been divorced I can't relate and I'm not going to try":

Divorced person says: "I'm sorry I haven't seen you for a while. Our friendship is important to me but it's been tough and I needed space to process my divorce."

Married person answers: "It's okay, I'm just going to pretend you went on vacation."

File under: "Ever heard of beggars can't be choosers?":

Divorced person says: "My wife wants me back, after five years."

Married person answers: "Try it. What do you have to lose?"

It's true that on the surface, none of the above suggestions seem constructive, or applicable. If we wanted stock advice, we could pick up a self-help book (or read "Eat Pray Love").

Maintaining a close friendship with people who have never been in your shoes can be tricky. If you let it. I try not to expect any magical pearls of wisdom. We are the sole survivors of our own history and experiences - no one else wakes up in our own skin. And that's okay. That's how it's supposed to be.

So I guess the choice is ours. We can put a wall up between ourselves and those we care about who "just don't understand," and protect ourselves from frustration. Or, we can choose to share, in order to nurture and sustain that relationship. And if that means that suggestions are going to be offered, so be it.

You may even be surprised that sometimes, if you stay open, a pearl of wisdom might sneak its way in.

 
When I was married, I didn't have any divorced friends. But if I did, I'm sure I would have tried to give them advice--the misdirected kind, skewed by my marital goggles. I am not suggesting that us...
When I was married, I didn't have any divorced friends. But if I did, I'm sure I would have tried to give them advice--the misdirected kind, skewed by my marital goggles. I am not suggesting that us...
 
 
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05:05 PM on 07/14/2011
My married friends like to say things like "when I met my husband, 30 years ago in college, we did blah blah blah." and expect me to apply that to my single life at 51.

But they mean no harm, they are just trying to help. I gently remind them that dating is so different in 2011 and in your 50s. Be happy you have friends who try to say nice things to you.
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SCboy
Dogs are people too.
09:09 PM on 07/12/2011
File under, "So what that we walk on two legs".

Divorced person says, "All men are dogs".

Married person answers, "I know, right?"
theaustralian
to the far left of right wing democrats
03:03 PM on 07/12/2011
you make divorce look like a terminal condition the way you go on. it's just like breaking up, but the other person can take up to half of your stuff. thats it. a ring doesn't make the situation much different then a bad break up.
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knowcomment
You keep using that word...
02:14 PM on 07/12/2011
My marriage ended after ten years. Nearly every married person I know who made insensitive, superior remarks at that time are now divorced or otherwise dealing with infidelity in their relationship. It’s not something I would wish upon them but, you know, hubris, nemesis, etc.
11:20 AM on 07/12/2011
sheesh - were these actual comments? I'm sorry, but you should maybe stop talking to some of those 'friends'...but totally know what you mean, maybe at some point the remarks stop being painful...
11:15 AM on 07/12/2011
Friends give advice. It may not always be correct, however. That's why it is better to talk to more than one person and combine their input with your own feelings to make decisions.
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DrVeronicaEyeMD
11:15 AM on 07/12/2011
In my last (married) life , I attended a lot of church and called myself a born-again Christian. Then I divorced. I knew nothing back then. I left behind wifehood, doctorhood and Christianhood. NOW!!!! THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS TO BE BORN AGAIN. What doesn't kill you just makes you stronger.

Makes me be able to laugh at anything after I stopped crying. Thank you for this article because when you are divorced you can relate to all of the statements because you have been on both sides. I think everyone should have a starter marriage then divorce should be mandatory so that you can reach some sort of enlightenment and become less judgmental.
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dumasjohnj
06:42 AM on 07/12/2011
Humans were just not meant to live that way. Read "Sex at Dawn", written by a brilliant woman. Someone should write an article on POLY relationships (the new trend). Hint, it is not swinging, just aligning with reality.
01:28 AM on 07/12/2011
Divorced Person says: You wouldn't believe what I found about my ex. I heard she murdered her last five husbands in three different states to collect on their insurance. She was picking up some kind of substance that causes brain hemorrhages when the cops caught up to her.

Married Person says: Oh crap. I fixed Chuck up with her sister.
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DrVeronicaEyeMD
11:09 AM on 07/12/2011
My father proceeded to marry my mother's so-called best friend. We called the new woman "The Black Widow" because she had had two previous healthy husband die very mysteriously. My father came to the realization one day that the rest of us knew: that his wife had killed her two previous husbands.
My father will turn 75 next month. He divorced her giving up half his assets at 70. He has the best asset of all though: His life.
01:21 AM on 07/12/2011
Advice is indeed dirt cheap. Post which its your discretion to accept it.
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syds180turn
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11:49 PM on 07/11/2011
Relationships are tough no matter what your status is. People say dumb things all the time about things they know and don't know a damn thing about. I think it boils down to the sheep mentality. A lot of people want others to think, talk and behave the same way they do. My husband and I decided a long time ago to remain childless...we like children but it's just not for us. You couldn't image the "well-meaning" advice and comments we've gotten on that on that decision. "What are you going to do when you get old", "You're selfish", "You guys put your careers ahead of starting a family and you'll regret it", "What's wrong with you", "How could anyone not want children" and it went on and on until we had enough and told them to mind their own f#*king business. It was the same thing when we were living together before we married and we also told them to mind their own business because we could handle our own relationship. At the end of the day, no matter what, people will always comment and give advice that may rub you the wrong way. It's up to you to either let it go...be direct and tell them to back off. Or...keep your sh*t to yourself with them and find a support group with other people who have gone through what you have.
11:34 PM on 07/11/2011
Call me a jerk but I never give gifts when I go to a wedding. Because I know in 2-4 years they will be divorced and that gift will be thrown in the trash somewhere.
01:27 AM on 07/12/2011
No no. A jerk would leave the receipt attached; just in case.
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WSAY
Res ipsa loquitur
10:19 PM on 07/11/2011
These are all basically the same.
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Bones Rhodes
10:17 PM on 07/11/2011
"Maintaining a close friendship with people who have never been in your shoes can be tricky."

Really ? One of my cardinal rules is: "never lend close friends your shoes" .
IWantTofu
Evolution. Now a political position.
12:14 AM on 07/12/2011
I cried because I had no shoes,
Until I met a man who had no class.
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Bones Rhodes
01:27 AM on 07/12/2011
Oh, I have plenty of class: it's just all "third"---

but I also still have my shoes--

and no reason to cry
01:21 AM on 07/13/2011
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in their shoes.
Then, when you judge them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
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KingKrub
02:35 PM on 07/12/2011
I cried because i had no hat until i met someone who had no head.
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10:10 PM on 07/11/2011
This just makes me sad. Yes, good advice can be given from people who have not lived the experience. i.e. people without children sometimes have great ideas for parents. After a horrible life experience, some of the BEST people for me to talk to were friends who had not gone through the same thing - they listened and their advice was thoughtful and helpful. Sounds like new friends are needed here.
11:16 PM on 07/11/2011
That is so nice to hear. Agree. New friends are needed or should never be let in to say such things in the first place.
Although sadly, while only 2 of the above were friends, 2 were family! The rest were my friend's stories... that their own mothers and friends said. Thank you for commenting.
garystartswithg
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01:52 AM on 07/12/2011
family is often the worst place to go for adivce -- they are usually the first to offer unsolicited advice too. my dad offers advice for everything and if i took any of it i would be living in a cardboard box under an overpass.
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Bones Rhodes
06:41 PM on 07/12/2011
Never do that: find a bridge - at least it's waterfront.