NY and VA to Lou Dobbs: STFU

That means you too, Rahm Emanuel.

Headline from New York's election results last night:

"New York Democrats Say License Issue Had Little Effect"

And in Virginia, here's the headline:

"In the Ballot Booths, No Fixation on Immigration"

Okay, so, in Virginia, immigration demagoguing did not help Republicans, and in NY, despite the quotes from party insiders justifying their abandonment of Spitzer as saving the day and a voter quote cherry picked by the NYT editors to suggest Democratic voter "concern," there's really no evidence that immigration demagoguing moved votes to the GOP. At all.

The NYT article reminds me of how Rahm Emanuel took credit for 2006 after his original DCCC short list did lousy, the people on his late changing list did better after he added some of our Blue America candidates to shore up his stats, after he spent the major part of the cycle telling everyone to STFU about Iraq. Then after the election, he took credit for the "thumpin'," when it all happened in spite of him, not because of him.

You're a fucking genius, there, Rahm.

Sorry, but until I see real data that says voters in NY were actually moved to vote based on immigration or opposition to Spitzer's plan, I'll remain of the opinion, confirmed by results all over and from the past, that the scary brown people code language moves votes among the racist fringe and not among Democrats, nor among liberal/progressives. These are not votes we're ever going to get and trying to pretend we should want them is political malpractice and moral suicide.

So, New York Democrats, what was all the "Spitzer is KILLING us!" stuff really about, if not Joe Bruno's successful attempt to get the longs knives out within the state party against Spitzer, with love from Andrew Cuomo?

I'm with Jane: I'm not getting it either, or rather, maybe I do get it, and I don't really like the obvious answer.

UPDATE: It's always pleasant to see the vituperative fury of the closet racists here in the comments whenever I expose Lou Dobbs' ignorant idiocy and call out his bigotry. Welcome, Stormfront readers and Little Green Footballs Cheeto eaters! Don't let the brown folks touch your food at Denny's!

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Comments

[realitytrumpsbull]

Nevermind Lou Dobbs, Mexico's definitely
gaining voting power and representation in
Congresser­...

[longislandlol]

Lou Dobbs has a big audience- he's got the highest CNN ratings- they need him- and his fans keep growing.. he has alot more substance than most broadcasters; even if you disagreee with his message-- the man is powerful.

[fromthecheapseats]

"Like the 6 BILLION dollars sent to Mexico
from "guest workers" here?
That "giant sucking sound" Ross Perot spoke of years back was the balloon of our economy
deflating.­"

That $6B going to Mexico is precisely why the corporate welfare backed politicians are pushing for amnesty and open borders: not only do these greedy corporate CEOS and politicians want that money to stay put right here, they want all the Mexican families they can get here, too, to lower wages and so they can spend a few ameros to buy all that tainted Chinese shit from Walmart and, if they have a few bucks left over, can buy a pumpkin latte from that other coporate shithole, Starbucks.

Now, a few neolib zealot nazis in the Democratic party are being played when they fall for this 'emotional' drivers license issue which is exactly what both the Repubs and the Dems want: they want the white collar middle class voter to close their eyes to the big picture, which is the transfer of our middle class jobs to India. People - like the one who wrote this hateful rant against our own neighbors are either living off of daddy's trust fund or are brain damaged not to understand that right now, politicians don't want us even thinking about how these greedy corporations want to make an unlimited number of H-1b and green card holders welcome to take our white collar jobs.

And Dem fools like those who bash Dobbs (the only MSM media voice who reports on this)are too emotional and/or stupid to get that this drivers license issue is an ECONOMIC issue. Why do these fools want to hand the Repubs another four more years? Because there's no difference on selling out the middle class between the Dems (except Kucinich?) and any other Repub corporate shill.

[Metacortex]

I didn't see Lou Dobb's newscast last night. In fact, I haven't seen one in a while. But I've seen Dobb's enough to know you're misrepresenting his character. This is no different than the news blurb stating that a Homeland Security worker had been placed on leave for costume. Chertoff said, "The idea you can come and impersonate someone of another ethnic group, that is completely unacceptable,"

I sent that quote to all my friends with a poster shot from the Movie, White Chicks with the Wayans brothers.

I think most people are a little ethnocentric, but that doesn't mean they can't see through it when it counts.

[midtown]

This is what's behind Rahm Emanuel on this issue:
"Open Borders Threaten Jewish Clout -- The Forward.com"
http://www.forward.com/articles/785/

And this is who is driving the anti-immigration issue and Lou Dobbs, who doesn't use one piece of info unless it comes from one of John Tanton's 13 anti-immigration groups:
"The Puppeteer
The organized anti-immigration 'movement,' increasingly in bed with racist hate groups, is dominated by one man, John Tanton."
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=93

[hrb266]

And in Virginia, here's the headline:

Yes, there is a Santa Claus.

[Pneumaticus]

Has anyone checked Lou's license lately?

[nexus1961]

Lou Dobbs Is %100 correct on this point.
Come to Los Angeles...­. NOT Beverly Hills,
NOT Century City.. Get out of the richy/gated enclaves, and SEE what the ACTUAL results of unrestricted illegal immigration are.
I live at Santa Monica Blvd. & Vine... and at
ANY time of the day or night, drunken scumbags, graffitti EVERYWHERE, drunks pissing
in public like it's no big deal... as a REAL
blue-collar American, my blood boils when I hear apologists for scum(Schumer, Reid & Feinstein, GOOD EXAMPLES!!!)say how "harmless"
illegals are, and how much they contribute.
Like the 6 BILLION dollars sent to Mexico
from "guest workers" here?
That "giant sucking sound" Ross Perot spoke of years back was the balloon of our economy
deflating.

[NABNYC]

I wouldn't read anything into these small-time elections. What do you have? 8% of the people turn out to vote?

What Bush has done, and what Hillary supports, is privatizing the entire immigration policy of this country. They both support turning all control of immigration over to business, and enforcement over to private contractors.

In other words, the taxpayers will pay ten times as much to Blackwater in its shining new San Diego facility to patrol the borders and kill at random with complete immunity from liability. And the taxpayers will pay Halliburton to build facilities to long-term detention for those apprehended.

Any progressive who supports the neocon agenda of bringing millions of illegal immigrants into the U.S. to take American jobs is on the wrong side of this issue. And the stupid side as well. Because all of these soon-to-be­-unemploye­d Americans are your family, your friends, your neighbors, taxpayers, and they deserve your loyalty.

According to both Bush and Hillary, businesses should have complete control of immigration. This is the policy promoted by Bill Gates. Which explains why he's going around the world pretending to be a philanthropist. He's actually just setting up future sites for exported labor for his facilities.

The plan is that businesses will have unrestricted right to import as many workers as they want. When they're done with one batch they will deport them and bring in the next.

The drivers' license issue is solely intended to allow businesses to hire illegal immigrants to take over trucking. Without a license, the business cannot use illegal immigrants or they would lose their insurance.

Progressive need to stand against illegal immigration, stop the importing of workers to take American jobs, and stop the privatization of the control of immigration in this country.

[Nutcase]

Despite the evidence, some people exalt that great principle of Political Correctness above reality. They convince themselves that their PC vision is shared by the majority; or at least the majority of Democrats. The fact that W received nearly half the votes is insufficient to give them pause.

These people have some pathetic need to cause suffering to themselves and to their fellow countrymen. They pick the minority side of issues such as (illegal) immigration and insist that is THE Democratic position. They support the candidate most likely to lose the general election. Consciously or not, these people really want to lose. They just want a guaranteed eight-year cry.

I would suggest that they try winning, for a change. After solid decades of supply-side, Iran-Contra, the DLC and, lest we forget, W and Dick, the real authors of the U.S. Constitution, a real chance at a government of, by and for the people might cure them of their sociopathy.

[Kendo Nagasaki]

Lets face it.

The Republicans like illegal immigration because it provides cheap labor and another customer for businesses.

The Democrats like it to give them cheap votes.

There are sufficient laws already on the books to deal with this issue, but they have been ignored.

We do not need anothe Bush "fix" thanks.

[eddiestardust]

I don't always agree with Lou Dobbs and I don't agree with him on this issue.

Of course, here in America, most folks need a car especially when they don't live in the inner city that has mass transportation.

The simple fact is that, like it or not, they are here and many of them are married and have children who have been born here so they ARE in fact, legal American citizens.

What are we to do? Throw the baby out with the bathwater here by throwing out these kids parents?

Heck no!

What we should be doing is crafting some way to fast track these folks to become American citizens.

And we should be sitting down with the MEXICAN GOVT. to say fix the problem..i­f you don't we declare war...

Maybe that will put the fear of God into them to DO SOMETHING?

But no we live in a "GEORGE BUSH AMERICA" where we simply WON'T do much because we want to LIMIT GOVT!

[cloudbasket]

I'm anti all further immigration, legal and illegal, until such time as the best scientists agree that our population is optimum, but that doesn't mean I'd vote for a GOPPER. I'm not a racist, nor am I against people of certain phenotypes (since race is such an inexact term). I'm also against allowing illegal aliens drivers licenses, but I still wouldn't vote for any republicans. The folks I want to stfu are all those who try to rationalize the uncontrolled overpopulation via illegal and legal immigration, "because immigrants made this country great". Immigrants may have made this country great, but it was a paradise before they came.

[jbstonesfan]

Immigration undoubtedly will be the Republican wedge issue next November and I do not believe the Democratic leaders are reading the country right on this issue..it may be unfair imo, but the country seems to want a much tougher stance.

[Independent voter]

Kick ass Lou, help free us from Vincente Fox's ILLEGAL invading army.