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The Problem of the Disappearing Teacher and How to Solve It

Posted: 05/17/11 03:22 PM ET

Katy Farber's "Why Great Teachers Quit and How We Might Stop the Exodus" addresses an enormous problem of turnover in our current education system. According to the National Commission on Teaching and America's Future, one in three teachers quit after three years in the classroom, and 50 percent quit within the first 5 years. While it certainly may be the case that we are happy to see some of these folks go, we are also losing some great instructors due to a system that is clearly not doing enough to retain promise and cultivate potential.

I had the opportunity to interview Katy, a Vermont teacher and author of a book whose clarion call for change offers practical and inspiring solutions to this issue. Here, she discusses her views on reforming our education system so that we can retain our outstanding teachers and nurture a new generation of lifelong leaders and master educators.

Pam Allyn (P): In an ideal world, once reading your book many schools would be inspired and empowered to implement your suggested reforms to retain their great teachers. However, this does not always happen. What do you think is one of the most common, first issues that they should address in what would probably be a wave of reforms?

Katy Farber (K): Schools should begin by providing full and comprehensive mentoring programs for new teachers and principals in all schools. According to the National Commission on Teacher and America's future, comprehensive mentoring programs yield significant gains in reducing the attrition of beginning teachers, improving teacher quality, and boosting student achievement. We need universal standards of best practice in mentoring programs and insist that schools fully develop and fund these programs.

P: There is an ongoing great debate on how to address the problem of "bad" teachers. You mention, in several instances, that anyone can see that Abby, and several other teachers in your book, are great ones. Do you think it is possible to write down the characteristics of a great teacher so that they are quantifiable and easily identifiable? If so, is it then possible to identify "bad" teachers as well?

K: Great teachers have a love of children, a love of learning, constant motivation and effort to improve their practice, flexibility, kindness, humor and grace. As for bad teachers, we know those traits, for the most part, as well: late, careless, disorganized, demeaning, unable to connect with children, unmotivated to improve -- the list goes on. How many of those teachers, however, missed the opportunity to become successful? In my view, we need to be looking at how to best support teachers from the moment they are hired so more of them can become great and stay in teaching for an entire career.

P: You address the different roles and paths of many different groups of people -- administrators, school boards, parents, and students. The school system itself is a great web of interlocked individuals that are extremely influential on the others. However, do you think each group has the same opportunities, autonomy, and power to enact change? Do you think one particular group should be leading this movement and do you think change is possible if spearheaded by one group alone?

K: Teachers are busy teaching and rarely have time to lead, advocate and provide feedback. This must change. Teachers can no longer shut the door and teach in isolation while their profession erodes. In fact, teachers named "lack of faculty influence" as a top three reason for quitting teaching. The folks who are often powerless to make system changes are the ones with the most contact with children, the most teaching experience, and the ones most able to change their practice -- teachers.

P: You wrote that many new teachers and administrators have suffered because they did not have mentors and were placed in situations entirely alien to them, their teaching education, and experience. Did you have a particular mentor that helped you through the difficulties of teaching, and how did that experience shape you and your views on how mentoring can benefit teachers and administrators?

K: Oh, how lucky I was. There was no mentoring program in my school when I started teaching, back in 1999. Luckily, my grade level colleague, Marilyn Wallace, was a 25-year veteran. She worked tirelessly and modeled commitment, excellence, resilience and joy in teaching. Marilyn was my unofficial mentor. I think back now on how annoying it must have been for her, to have me asking a million questions about everything. She never showed any irritation, only patience and kindness. The administration changed each year at my first school, but I felt I had consistency, support and structure, because Marilyn was there. I had no idea that her essence of positivity, obligation to fellow teachers, and constant love of learning would carry with me all these years. Had I experienced the deep piles of trash and papers strewn on every surface in my new classroom, or the first angry letter from a parent, or my first fight on the playground without her, I am not sure I would still be teaching. I was a lucky one, but it doesn't have to be luck anymore. This is a choice and a change we can make.
 
 
 

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12:42 PM on 06/07/2011
...and do we talk about WHY so many teachers leave? We hear about lack of mentoring and inadequate pay, but do you know that consistently within the top three reasons why teachers leave is that they get burned out on the classroom management and discipline issues?

On average, teachers are losing between 25/30/40/50% or more of what should be teaching time to managing disruptive, unruly, and unfocused students. A 30% average loss is the same as 60 DAYS out of our typical school year. Imagine any other job where you were trying to get things done, yet "outside forces" were bleeding off 30% of your work time? Heck, it wouldn't matter WHAT you paid me -- I'd leave. And that's what's happening in many places.

I recently released a research paper outlining exactly this situation. You're welcome to review it and draw your own conclusions: http://socialsmarts.wordpress.com/2011/05/04/just-released-research-paper-on-how-to-achieve-more-in-education-even-with-less/ While the numbers were specifically run for the State of Washington, they extend very easily to all states in this country. Hundreds of folks have downloaded it so far and I also travel the country sharing this data in my presentation "Overcoming Failure to Educate." So far, no one has any argument with the data or the conclusions. I welcome your feedback.

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francisco cortes
11:52 PM on 05/22/2011
I am a Puerto Rican math teachers and my answer to education reform is simple go back to college made a masters degree in pure mathematics and hopefully become a cryptoanalyst at NSA, when studes actually want to learn then i go back to teaching.
been2there
Facts have a liberal bias.
10:11 PM on 05/20/2011
My husband's middle school art position got unfunded, so after more than 30 years at the same, low SES school, he will now start teaching kindergarten--also at a depressed school. Guess what he is going to be doing this summer? Volunteering at a summer kindergarten, giving up his vacation time to ensure that next year gets off to a good start.
Isn't that the type of person we want to keep?
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frdafury
There's no kill switch on awesome!
07:55 PM on 05/19/2011
For those of you who are confused as to why a teacher would leave the profession, here are some reasons:

1. Respect...there isn't any. You work hard, give yourself to a tough job and you are berated for it. Administrators (think managers), with little or no classroom experience or understanding of your teaching area (say English, Math, History, etc) come and judge what you are doing for 5 or 10 minutes then leave or are supposed to be in your classroom for the full period (45 to 60 minutes) twice a year leave after 15; time between classes is spent standing guard in the hall way without an administrator in sight guarding against "bad" behavior; no choice in what students are in your class or in the curriculum you are required to teach; no acknowledgement of positive outcomes but blame for negative.

2. Treatment: spoken down to by administrators; useless meetings that have nothing to do with education or your area of education; time control like 5 periods without a break of any kind.

3. Lack of support: no supplies; spending your own money; forced to decorate according to someone's dictates; any top down dictates; paperwork that is never looked at, used or even correlated to outcomes; red tape; attacking parents with no administrative support.

I have had all these things happen to me. Looking at them, why am I in education?
03:29 PM on 05/19/2011
If you read the available literature on some of the highest achieving nations, you will learn that they do attract strong candidates to teaching for several reasons:

1. Teaching is a prestige occupation and pays well, better than in the USA.
2. Teachers are carefully prepared and mentored over a period of several years, and in some cases they are paid stipends to train to become teachers so there is no rush.
3. Teachers do not actually TEACH as many hours per day we American teachers are required to do, leaving them time to perform functions that are absolutely necessary to good teaching: planning, grading papers, consulting with students, consulting with colleagues, observing colleagues...

In the U.S. teachers teach for what amounts to a pretty long day (I know, it seems short if you have an 8 hour workday and it is difficult to appreciate why teaching is not feasible for 8 hours per day, for starters because teaching requires undivided attention, indeed, multitasking and splitting attention every second of the workday. You must be aware of everything that is going on while you teach. You cannot turn your back, you cannot let down your guard, you cannot day dream and rejuvenate yourself for a short period, you are perpetually ON).

There are numerous additional issues that detract from the appeal of teaching as a career that won't be treated at this time due to space.
08:23 PM on 05/21/2011
Unlike, say, a nurse? Or a police officer?
01:57 PM on 06/18/2011
I know both nurses and police officers, and they do actually have down time, and the pay is more. I'm thinking of making the switch.
02:22 PM on 05/19/2011
I'm in my ninth year of teaching high school social studies, and I have considered quitting numerous times over the past years. While I certainly didn't go into teaching for the money, it would help to be paid well (I have a Master's plus, and I still make less than my brother who does not have a degree). It would also be nice if the community didn't expect miracles from us. We only see a child 50 minutes each day, and yet we're the ones held accountable for standardized test scores. Parents also tend to blame us (their child can do no wrong) if their child is failing.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy many aspects of teaching- forming relationships, making a difference, seeing students make connections, etc.- but I count down the days towards the end of the year just as my students do.
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KMel
12:01 AM on 05/19/2011
I'm a teacher. This is my fifth year. And I am leaving.

Why? 1) No faculty influence or control. 2) A public that refuses to take responsibility for the children it produces. 3) A lack of pay. 4) A lack of respect.

Adios amigos.
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booksnmoreforyou
Progressive educator, activist for good government
03:47 PM on 05/18/2011
I graduated an elite college highest in my class. I briefly considered achieving a license to teach high school English and/or Social Studies.

And then I realized I would start at the same salary as a teacher with a 2.5 GPA from Podunk University.

So I instead went to graduate school. Today I teach remedial reading and writing to college students. The ones taught by Ms.2.5 from Podunk U. Go figure.
12:48 PM on 05/18/2011
As a teacher who will not be staying in the classroom forever (I'm in my 8th year, and that's plenty), I think much of the reason why teachers leave the profession is that we are not treated as professionals. We have a Bachelor's Degree, most of us have a Master's Degree, and yet we have limited control over our own careers. We're publicly scrutinized and micromanaged, underpaid (yes, we are--it's a separate discussion, though, so leave it for now), we are not consistently supported by the communities we serve, we are not always allowed to advocate for ourselves, we're blamed for others' failures...the list goes on and on. Ask yourself if you would be happy to be judged by a group of random people who don't observe you working--because I have only seen community members be physically present in a classroom twice in 8 years)--and there's your answer. If you're not willing to let a stranger who doesn't know your job, decide whether or not you're good or bad at doing your job, then why would I or any other teacher be any different?
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zSpin2001
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02:52 PM on 05/19/2011
I agree with this 100%. I have also said that you can only hire the people that apply for the job. If you want to drive people away from teaching, then by all means let's continue down the damaging road that treats schools as businesses. I have a Doctorate from a prestigious university and taught high school for five years after I finished my doctorate. I still did the research that was required for my profession, but I felt that I should give back. I taught in a school that was poor and needed significant help. The students did spectacular things including publishing some of the work that they did in a peer reviewed scientific journal. I am not teaching high school anymore because the general public doesn't know the beautiful thing that is the public school system. We will destroy it without realizing its worth. It is the golden toad.
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sawyer0413
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11:42 AM on 05/18/2011
I haven't looked at the data close enough to answer definitively, but I wonder if this is really a problem. How so?

1. Teachers can leave for reasons other than they giving up. For example if a contract isn't renewed, a teacher leaves for a reason outside their decision.

2. Teachers can and do move geographically. When they leave one area, it is counted as a loss. But if they start again elsewhere, is that a net loss?

3. Teachers can and do move schools within an area. Is that a loss?

4. Teachers can leave the profession temporarily for family and other issues. Is that a loss?

5. It is impossible to keep 100% of the teachers.

6. Even if it was possible to keep 100% of teachers, there are some teachers who you would not want to stay in the profession.

7. What is the level of teachers leaving the profession that is acceptable? There are school districts laying off teachers. So, there is obviously more teachers than the school boards and funding authorities think is necessary.

There are just a lot of questions that are not easily summarized with such data. We need to understand more before making broad generalizations. I think the issue is probably more nuanced. There are probably local issues of teacher shortages, teacher abundance, and teacher balance. These probably vary dramatically from school district to school district, and have more to do with the individual school district that geography. That is my guess.
06:54 AM on 05/19/2011
As I understand it, the "50% leaving the profession in the first 5 years" represents voluntary separation, and leaving the profession, not moving, not transferring to another school. Leaving teaching. Though a small percentage of those teachers do, eventually, come back.

Now, we could go back and forth all day about whether it's the responsibility of our society to give teachers enough support to make it a more attractive job, so as to minimize that turnover. But given that very high rate of teachers leaving the profession, I think it's pretty obvious that it's not the cakewalk most people paint it as.
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sawyer0413
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08:54 AM on 05/19/2011
There are several ideas in your response. Here are my thoughts.

One, teaching is not easy. It should never be painted as anything other than a difficult job for those with dedication to the profession. I know I could never do it. I have too many friends in it, and I have heard their stories. It is not for me, and I deeply respect the professional craft they bring to school/work with them everyday.

Two, the teaching profession is unusual in its advancement structure. Most corporate professions have people moving up the ladder into supervisory, management, and even other positions as part of the normal course of career progression. Teaching is typically a solitary craft with a singular job ... teaching. If you move your career, you move out of the profession of teaching.

Three, we still do not have a line on the 50%. Is this high? low? about right? What is the composition of the number? Do we really have good measures, or are there some estimates going on? I have read several reports, and it is not as crystal clear as some make it out to be.
been2there
Facts have a liberal bias.
10:14 PM on 05/20/2011
I did teach, and I would not go back. I can live with kids who act like kids, but not with adults who act like kids and enable the kids bad behavior! I want to teach, and that means that the students have to do their part.
07:25 PM on 05/17/2011
My mentor enriches my career in ways large and small. I am now a National Board Certified Teacher and I appreciate her suggestions and guidance now more than ever. Thank you, Carol Dangerfield!
07:20 PM on 05/17/2011
You really have to ask why great teachers are leaving?
06:55 AM on 05/19/2011
The beatings will continue until morale improves.