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The Caste System of Hindu Society

Posted: 06/20/11 11:13 AM ET

Varna vyavastha (literally, the class system) remains one of the most interesting and debatable topics in the study of Vedic culture. Since the Vedas remain an unraveled mystery even today due to the archaic Sanskrit in which they were composed, much of the ancient social history is derived from the extrapolation from the later history of Indian society. While most of the modern scholarship on this issue applies Marxist and Weberian themes to interpret this, I endeavor to take a fresh approach to demonstrate some of the lesser-known aspects of this system.

The Original System

The varna system illustrates the spirit of comprehensive synthesis, characteristic of the ancient Indian mind with its faith in the collaboration of races and the cooperation of cultures. Paradoxical as it may seem, the system of varna was the outcome of tolerance and trust. Though it may now have degenerated into an instrument of oppression and intolerance and tends to perpetuate inequality and develop the spirit of exclusiveness, these unfortunate effects were not the central motives of the varna system. The system of varna insisted that the law of social life should not be cold and cruel competition, but harmony and co-operation. Society should not be a field of rivalry among individuals. The varnas were not allowed to compete with one another. Varna divisions were based on individual temperament, and which were not immutable. Originally varnas were assigned to people based on their aptitude and qualities, but in later periods they were assigned based on birth. However, there are a number of exceptions in the entire period that shows the flexibility of the system.

There were four varnas: brahmin, ksatriya, vaisya and sudra. The basic idea was division of labor in the society. Brahmin was defined as brahman nayati iti brahmin. People who preached spiritual teachings to the society and lived spiritual lives were called brahmins. Ksatriya was defined as kseeyate traayate iti ksatriya. These were the people who protected the society against external attacks and maintained internal order. Vaisya was defined as visati iti vaisya. Businessmen, traders and farmers came under this category. Sudras were the people engaged in services. Carpenters, blacksmiths, goldsmiths, cobblers, porters etc., fell under this category. This system ensured that the religious, political, financial and physical powers were all separated into four different social classes. Due to this fair separation of political and intellectual powers, ancient Indian society could not turn itself into a theocratic or autocratic society.

In the beginning, there was only one varna in the ancient Indian society. "We were all brahmins or all sudras," says Brhadaranyaka Upanisad (1.4, 11-5, 1.31) and also Mahabharata (12.188). A smrti text says that one is born a sudra, and through purification he becomes a brahmin. According to Bhagavada Gita, varna is conferred on the basis of the intrinsic nature of an individual, which is a combination of three gunas (qualities): sattva, rajas, and tamas. In the Mahabharata SantiParva, Yudhisthira defines a brahmin as one who is truthful, forgiving, and kind. He clearly points out that a brahmin is not a brahmin just because he is born in a brahmin family, nor is a sudra a sudra because his parents are sudras. The same concept is mentioned in Manu Smrti. Another scripture Apastamba Dharmasutra states that by birth every human being is a sudra. It is by education and upbringing that one becomes 'twice born', that is, a dvija.
Manu sums up the relative status and functions of the varnas in the following verse of Manu Smrti: "The brahmin acquires his status by his knowledge, the ksatriya by his martial vigor, the vaisya by wealth; and the sudra by birth alone." In the Bhagavada Gita, 4.13, Krsna says: "The fourfold varna has been created by Me according to the differentiation of guna (qualities)."
In Bhagavada Gita 18.41, Krsna states: "The devotees of the Lord are not sudras; sudras are they who have no faith in the Lord whichever be their varna." Mahabharata says that a wise man should not slight even an outcaste if he is devoted to the Lord; he who looks down on him will fall into hell. SantiParva, Mahabharata also says that there is no superior varna. The universe is the work of the Immense Being. The beings created by him were only divided into varnas according to their aptitude.

Bhagavada Gita also says, "Of brahmins, ksatriyas and vaisyas, as also the sudras, O Arjuna, and the duties are distributed according to the qualities born of their own nature." According to the Hitopades, all mankind is one family. Manu Smrti (11.157) says, "Just as a wooden toy elephant cannot be a real elephant, and a stuffed deer cannot be a real deer, so, without studying scriptures and the Vedas and the development of intellect, a brahmin by birth cannot be considered a brahmin."

In my opinion, all the above quotations and references point out that the varnas were designated to a person based on one's aptitude, quality, mental state and characteristic. Although birth or parentage may have played an important role in the later times, the original system seems to be based on the quality of a person rather than on birth alone. Even when the varna was ascribed based on birth, there are a number of examples from the mythology and history of ancient India to demonstrate the flexibility and mobility among the varnas.

Vyäsa, a brahmin sage and the most revered author of many Vedic scriptures including the Vedas, Mahabharata, Bhagavada Gita and Bhagavata Purana, was the son of Satyavati, a sudra woman. Vyäsa's profound knowledge of the Vedic wisdom established him as a brahmin even though he was born of a sudra mother. Vyäsa's father, Päräsara, was also a son of a candala woman and yet was considered a brahmin based on his Vedic wisdom. Another popular Vedic sage, Välmiki was initially a hunter. He came to be known as a brahmin sage on the basis of his profound knowledge of the scriptures and his authorship of the Rämäyana. According to Rig Veda (IX.112.3), the poet refers to his diverse parentage: "I am a reciter of hymns, my father is a physician and my mother grinds corn with stones. We desire to obtain wealth in various actions." Sage Aitareya, author of Aitareya Upanisad, was born of a sudra woman. Vasishtha, son of a prostitute, was established as a brahmin and Rig Veda book VII is attributed to him. In Chandogya Upanisad, the honesty of Satyakäma establishes his brahminhood, even though his ancestry is unknown as he is the son of a maidservant. Visvamitra, born in a ksatriya family becomes a sage, and hence a brahmin, based on his asceticism. Some Rig Veda hymns are attributed to him. The priest Vidathin Bhärdväja became a ksatriya as soon as he was adopted by King Bharata and his descendents were the well-known Bharata ksatriyas. Janaka, a ksatriya by birth, attained the rank of a brahmin by virtue of his ripe wisdom and saintly character and is considered a rajarishi (king-sage). Vidura, a brahmin visionary, who gave religious and moral instructions to King Dhrtarashtra, was born to a woman servant of the palace. His varna as a brahmin was determined on the basis of his wisdom and knowledge of scriptures. The Kauravas and Pandavas were the descendants of Satyavati, a fisher-woman, and Vyäsa, a brahmin. In spite of this mixed heredity, the Kauravas and Pandavas were known as ksatriyas on the basis of their occupation. Ajamidha and Puramidha were admitted to the status of the brahmin class, and even composed Vedic hymns. Yaska, in his Nirukta, tells us that of two brothers, Santanu and Devapi, one becomes a ksatriya king and the other a brahmin priest. Kavasa, the son of the slave girl Ilusa, becomes a brahmin priest. The Bhagavata Purana tells of the elevation of the ksatriya clan named Dhastru to brahminhood. In the later Vedic times, Chandragupta Maurya, originally from the Muria tribe, goes on to become the famous Mauryan emperor of Magadha. Similarly, his descendant, King Asoka, was the son of a maidservant. The Sanskrit poet and author, Kalidasa is also not known to be a brahmin by birth. His works are considered among the most important Sanskrit works. In the medieval period, saint Thiruvalluvar, author of 'Thirukural' was a weaver. Other saints such as Kabir, Sura Dasa, Ram Dasa and Tukaram came from the sudra class also. Many of the great visionaries in modern India were not brahmins by birth but can be regarded as brahmins by their life-styles and teachings: Mahätmä Gändhi, Swämi Vivekänada, Sri Aurobindo, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Swämi Chinmayänanda etc.
Misconceptions about the Varna System

Heterodox ideologies such as Jainism and Buddhism have criticized the notions of varna-based svadharma (one's own duty), which inspired Arjuna to indulge in the Mahabharata war. Since Arjuna was a ksatriya, he was motivated to follow his duty of a warrior by Krsna.

Unfortunately, the original system is often either overlooked or misinterpreted. Let us examine some of the main concerns expressed about the varna system.

· Inequality: Does the varna system treat human beings unequally, with the brahmins at the top of the hierarchy and the sudras at the bottom? This is a common observation about the system which is based on the modern caste system rather than the ancient varna system. It is rarely observed that the social hierarchy is not just limited to Hinduism but it stays intact in any Indian religious society; Buddhists, Jainas, Sikhs, Christians and Muslims have their own caste hierarchies and restrictions. Even western societies have their own classes and groups. Thus, it is indeed a social phenomenon, which is not just limited to Hinduism or India. J. Muir has provided numerous passages from ancient Indian texts to demonstrate the equality of varnas.

Rig Veda II. 33. 13 speaks of "our father Manu" (pita nah). Note that all of mankind is described as having a single ancestor.

Taittareya Brahmana II.3.8.1. It describes the process of creation of human beings by Prajapati as follows: "... he reflected, after that he created men. That constitutes the manhood of men. He, who knows the manhood of men, becomes intelligent. Mind does not forsake him."

Satapatha Brahmana VII.5.2.6. This passage describes the process of creation of human beings by Prajapati as follows: "He formed animals from his breath, a man from his soul, a horse from his eye, a bull from his breath, a sheep from his ear, a goat from his voice." It is worth noting that here too the various objects of creation are being correlated to various parts of the body of Prajapati, as in the Purusa Sukta.

Brhadaranyaka Upanisad I. 4. 11-15. These passages describe the successive creation of the four varnas, in contrast to their simultaneous creation in the Purusa Sukta. Just as in the case of Manu where all of humanity is traced to a single parent, here all of humanity is traced to a single homogeneous class, to begin with.

Visnu Purana VIII. 138-140. According to this account when the Eden-like existence ceased: "At this juncture the perfect mind-born sons of Brahma, of different dispositions, who had formerly existed in the Satya age, were reproduced in the Treta as brahmins, ksatriyas, vaisyas, sudras, and destructive men." This means that the varna system characterises human life after the 'fall', as it were. It is a post-Lapsarian phenomenon. The development of 'castes' here represents a falling away from an earlier ideal condition, in which there were no varnas.

In Bhagavada Gita, it is clearly mentioned that sudra and women can achieve the liberation and it is not just limited to any one high caste.

Upanisads and other Vedic scriptures have mentioned at many places that the same Brahman exists in all the living beings and hence all are equal.

Mahabharata (III.216.14-15) mentions that a sudra can become brahmin by engaging in self-control, truth and righteousness.

H. T. Colebrooke, one of the early Sanskrit scholars wrote, " Daily observation shows even the brahmin exercising the menial profession of a sudra. It may be received as a general maxim, that the occupation, appointed for each tribe, is entitled merely to a preference. Every profession, with few exceptions, is open to every description of persons; and the discouragement, arising from religious prejudices, is not greater than what exists in Great Britain from the effects of Municipal and Corporation laws."

· Svabhäva by birth: In the varna system, one's svadharma is based on one's svabhäva. But how can svabhäva be fixed by birth? Is it a changeable substance? This debate is not fully resolved even by today's geneologists. According to the recent research, genes are much more responsible in fixing one's nature than they are given credit for. As more researches unfold, this mystery will unravel whether one's svabhäva is fixed based on one's birth or it can be changed by one's training.

· Coercion: Did the varna system deny the basic right to choose one's profession? Was one forced to perform one's svadharma even against one's call of conscience, e.g., Krsna motivates Arjuna to fight because he was born as a ksatriya? In the same war, there were many warriors who did not qualify fully as ksatriya by birth and still were fighting, e.g., Drona, Krpa, Asvatthämä, Karna, Bheeshma etc. Krsna did not ask Arjuna to fight just because he was born as a ksatriya but convinced him based on many other arguments. Whatever coercion may exist in the society could be argued as a social discipline. In the practical world, there would be complete chaos and disaster if the individuals stopped performing their duties. A well-balanced society definitely needs warriors, merchants, teachers and laborers. Hence, instead of one's unrestrained rights, one's duties are given more importance.

Conclusion

Varna system is one of the most debatable phenomena of India and is tarred with many controversies. However, on a deeper analysis one finds that the basic need for this system was simply to ensure a healthy and flexible society unlike the one which has been rigidified due to the colonial misinterpretation and mistreatment of varnas, resulting in the castes as we find them in the present day India . The original varna system was quite flexible in which one's varna could be changed based on one's skill and was not fixed as is often understood.

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References
1. Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan, The Hindu View of Life,(HarperCollins, 1998)
2. Padmanabh S Jaini, "Values in comparative perspective: Svadharma versus Ahimsä", Collected Papers on Buddhist Studies, (Motilal Banarasidas, 2001)
3. J Muir, Original Sanskrit Texts, (Delhi, Oriental Publishers, 1972)
4. Steven Pinker, The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature, (Viking, 2002)
5. Nicholas B Dirks, Castes of Mind: Colonialism and the Making of Modern India, (Princeton University Press, 2001)
6. Arvind Sharma, Classical Hindu Thought, (Oxford University Press, 2000)

 
 
 

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02:20 AM on 08/19/2011
This is a thoughtful primer. Thank you. The chief distinction, as I understand it from your article and others I've read, is that the original Vedic varna concept allows more mobility for individuals than is allowed for in later generations when birth unfortunately overtakes natural aptitude as the yardstick by which one's varna or caste is determined. That being the case, I'd be curious if you could expand on those aspects in the caste system as practiced in the middle of the first millennium b.c.e. that chiefly troubled Buddha and Mahavira. By that time, Buddha, Mahavira, Brihaspati and a few others, from pretty diverse philosophical directions, were faulting the caste system of their day. Was there already undue stress laid on bloodlines by then, or were these three thinkers and others addressing other flaws in the caste system at that time instead? Thank you.
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Sonupv
09:53 AM on 08/04/2011
Dude shame on you even try to defend the caste system of Hinduism. Whatever might have been written in the fantasy tales of Hindu books, for centuries tens of millions of people have faced sub human conditions in Indian Hindu society because some religious geniuses declared them low-caste. That is the reality. And nothing else.
07:16 PM on 08/12/2011
shame on you for pretending to understand anything the guy wrote with your own blinders.
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02:28 AM on 07/05/2011
all societies have a form of a caste system.

in america we have special private schools and universities for the higher castes.

we have a tax and political and economic structure that makes sure we maintain our hidden and informal caste system.

we also have northern and southern states that maintain this caste system. :-)
05:59 AM on 07/05/2011
All societies HAD a form of a caste system (King's son will be a king, peasant's son will be a peasant etc). Unlike in western societies, caste was sanctified in India. This is the reason why the west could break away from it and India is still under the grips of the caste system. What you mean is Class (more money= higher class) and not Caste. A poor (low class) Brahmin (High caste) will be treated with utmost respect than a Sudhra (poor and Low caste), their Class is same but Caste makes the difference. I hope you understood the ocean of difference between caste and class.
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05:04 PM on 07/06/2011
@left liberal - you are speaking with no idea of what a bramhin or a shudra in Indian context means.
There are poor & rich bramhins as well as poor and rich shudras. For example, almost 99% of ruling elite in India are shudras and you know they are bloody rich.
The difference between caste and class is no where in indian context as both the terms are coined by western evangelist and english dictatorship for the sole purpose of stratification of indian society for the fancies of western administration.
For your information class was sanctified in western society - even till the late 19th century, the english aritstocracy, purposefully denied sunday schooling for the working commoners.
06:37 AM on 07/03/2011
Dear Pankaj

Thank you for posting this article, I would like to share some of my thoughts and views with you and others reading this.

First of all, Varna vyavastha does not literally mean class system it literally means color system. It is a class system based on color. Supporters of Varna system say that color in this context means the qualities or energies of human nature. If they really wanted to mean qualities or energies they would have used the corresponding words in Sanskrit. In this Varna or color system, the white skinned are the highest beings and the color of the lowest beings is.... well, no prices for guessing the correct answer. Rig Veda has enough verses to prove this (eg: "Black skin is impious" (‘Dasam varnam adharam’) Rg.V. II.12.4).
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05:06 PM on 07/06/2011
@left liberal - 'Varna' is also having the primary meaning of 'absorption' in classical sanskrit.
That's the beauty of scientific understanding.
06:37 AM on 07/07/2011
"Varna ALSO means absorption", can you quote the source ? No offense but looks like you guys use one meaning to practice Vedas against your fellow countrymen and another meaning to explain Vedas to whites (or westerners) ! The closest sanskrit words to "absorption (in spiritual sense)" are "Nipana" and "Samadhi", my source : http://spokensanskrit.de/.
"That's the beauty of scientific understand­ing" whoa, didn't see that coming! what do mean by that and its relation to what you said before ? Anyways, Scientific understanding means observing, investigating and coming to conclusion based in FACTS and not OPINIONS. An example, science believes in evolution and not races coming out of Brahma. Don't forget to check the answer to your next comment (5.08 PM)
08:08 AM on 07/14/2011
Regarding Manu's punishments, I have showed enough verses (in my previous replies) from Manu to prove my point that it is not fair.
Gargi? she was not shudra. Veda Vyasa ? Who is the father of Veda Vyasa ? Parashara, a Rigvedic Maharshi. Why don't you use your " Obama= half white" logic in this ? Who is using hit & run ways ?
Satakopan aka Nammalvar was not from a hunter caste ( http://yabaluri.org/TRIVENI/CDWEB/themysticismofnammalvarmar45.htm). Out of twelve Alvars plus 63 Nayanmars, many were from low-castes but they were BHAKTHI SAINTS. Want to know the difference between Bhakthi world and Manu world ? This article (with references) http://www.museindia.com/featurecontent.asp?issid=34&id=2297 written by an INDIAN gives a brief history. Search of Origin and spead of Bhakthi movement in given http://www.egyankosh.ac.in/ or in this book Tradition and modernity in Bhakti movements By Jayant Lele shows how Bhakthi (just like buddhism) movement rose to defy caste system and Brahmin domination of religion.
Thanks for the images. All the images show Buddha wearing some kind of Bling (crown, jewels). These could be images of Gauthama before he became buddha. I don’t think an ascetic wears so much Bling! I have to admit buddha with a moustache made me laugh ! I mentioned in my previous post that Upanayanam or in pali "opanayiko" is there in Buddhism for ALL CASTES. I found this interesting
http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part18/chap2.htm .
06:36 AM on 07/03/2011
Contd..
You say that the Varna system was to ensure division of labor in the society. On what bases was this division made ? Are you aware of any equivalent of the modern aptitude test that was there during the Vedic times that assessed EACH individual's talents and assigned them jobs that suited them ? Flexibility of the system would mean a Shudra attending a Gurukulam to study Vedas because he is interested and a Brahmin doing some other job because studying Vedas was not his interest. This was not the case in those days and your statement (quote) "However, there are a number of exceptions in the entire period that shows the flexibility of the system." clearly proves the rigidness of the caste system because exceptions cannot be considered as examples.
03:12 PM on 07/05/2011
actually the initial system was just that, a shudra could approach a brahmin and request knowledge and womens were actively involved in the world, later ages corrupted this approach till it became a compartmentalized and negative system
03:54 AM on 07/06/2011
You say "a shudra could approach a brahmin and request knowledge". Can you quote the passage or verse from Vedas that EXPLICITLY supports your claim ?
06:36 AM on 07/03/2011
contd..
"A Brahmin is not a Brahmin just because he is born in a Brahmin family, nor is a Sudra a Sudra because his parents are Sudras", I agree and Smrti text also states "one is born a Sudra, and through purification he becomes a Brahmin". The secret recipe for this "purification" is with the Brahmins ! and they made sure that Sudras don't get it. It is like you making a law with loopholes so that you don't get caught by that law.

You have stated several passages and verses from Bhagavad Gita, Mahabarat, Vedas and Manusmriti to substantiate your opinion but these are cherry picked. I can give various passages and verses that endorsed inhumane caste discrimination from the same texts (Eklavya being an example) but the limited space does not permit me.
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05:08 PM on 07/06/2011
@left liberal - the smritihis also state even more stricter rules to be a bramhin. so, those rules in turn take care of the loop holes - please do not burden yourself with those finer points :P
06:39 AM on 07/07/2011
"the Smritis also state even more stricter rules to be a Bramhin" You are right, rules were laid out regarding how a Brahmin should lead his life(eg: what to eat and what not to eat, whom to touch and whom not to touch, how Vedas should be read), in return he was treated with utmost respect (eg: Manu 2-135). But what happens when a Brahmin BREAKS this rule? here is where the inhumanity steps in. Manusmriti is overtly lenient towards the Brahmin when it came to concessions made in fines and punishments. THIS LENIENCY IS THE LOOPHOLE ! Example, " Tonsure is ordained for a Brahmana instead of capital punishment but men of other caste shall suffer capital punishment (Manu 8-379)" Compare this with "If a Shudra over heard the Veda or ventured to utter a word of the Veda, the king shall cut his tongue in twain and pour hot molten lead in his ear.(Manu 12-4)". Can you show me a law as brutal as this one for a Brahmin ?
Burden ? Buddy, proving my point is as easy as proving Holocaust was by Nazis. The burden rests on you to act as a spin doctor for the "Sanatana dharma" or in honest terms the "Segregationist dharma"
06:34 AM on 07/03/2011
Contd..
Same goes with several characters that you have mentioned in your article who rose to the top of the caste system. Why is it in most cases, the caste of the character's mother is mentioned but not that of father ? Even if you can somehow find a character X whose BOTH parents belonged to low caste and X climbed up in the caste ladder, he is still an exception and therefore does not reflect the norm of the society in those days.
You speak in favor of an "original" system that maintained "social order" and allowed a handful of people to break the caste barriers, I speak in favor of those unknown hundreds of thousands of people who where discriminated by that same "original" system.

Finally, please don't bring in the "The British did it" excuse into this, There is no record of any "British" being present in India during Vedic times .

I very much appreciate your attempt to "decastify" the Hindu religion but I think it is beyond recovery. It is like taking bath in a polluted river thinking that it was pristine once upon a time. Problem is, the water was never pristine! I am willing to continue this debate/discussion if you are interested.
03:14 PM on 07/05/2011
please do not call hinduism and the vedic religion one and the same and even now people who rise up in the world from the very bottom could be called exceptions or they could be used to illustrate our systems flexibility. No system is perfect
04:57 AM on 07/06/2011
I would like to know from you the difference between Hinduism and Vedic religion. The article heading is "The Caste System of HINDU Society " but the author also quotes RIG VEDA !! A system will be flexible if EQUAL OPPORTUNITY is given to EVERYONE and one need not have to FIGHT the system to reach the top. Let me illustrate my point with an example. Barack Obama was given equal opportunity like any other US citizen to study, attend college and hold office. He is NOT an exception because he did not have to struggle against the system. Compare this with (an exception) Carl Maxie Brashear (First African American to become a U.S. Navy Master Diver.) He had to fight the system at every step to get to where is was, there was no equal opportunity and why ? the American society was not flexible at that time! A low caste should struggle to reach top and what should a brahmin do in those days ? just be born !!! You say "No system is perfect" so why support or argue for an imperfect system that has done so much damage ? I can perfectly understand why the highest caste people so fervently support the Vedic religion, it works in favor of them !
Please do not think that my criticism is pointed only towards the Vedic religion, I have the same opinion about other religions. These stone-age texts has bought more suffering than salvation to mankind.
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12:48 PM on 07/02/2011
Thank you for such a scholarly explanation. As one called an "Indian" by the Spanish, ca, 1492, we had and still have a system which functions in a manner similar to the original intent of varna; a division of labour. When looking at varna in this earlier context, the similarities are striking but also speak to what Karl Marx called "tribal communism" or the need to divide tasks based on ability and to insure that certain vital tasks are covered, all for the common good. It is, effectively, the basis for an orderly society which meets its own needs. This discussion will color my re-read of the Gita in a most positive and illuminating way.
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04:15 PM on 06/22/2011
Continued: On the contrary, we can easily find numerous examples in our history, literature and society where a person of a particular caste excelled in the tasks of the so called another caste. This represents the dynamic equilibrium that all humans have in their beings, balancing all four aspects of human nature depending upon the context, time and place we are in at a particular moment. At a given moment in time, the brahminical instincts may be supreme in you and at another time the sudra instincts or the vaishya instincts may take over your personality, and at yet another instance you may become a real glorious Kshatriya. Humans have the freedom to engage in activities that will fulfill their inner most desires and satisfy their inborn urges. Hence, who can say which caste a particular person will be in a given situation?
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04:13 PM on 06/22/2011
The four castes are based upon the four distinct kinds of behavior patterns humans exhibit urged by their own inner propensities and natural instincts. Brahmin, Kshatriya, vaishya and sudra castes are not exclusive to one another in the sense that a Brahmin also possesses the qualities of other three castes. Similarly, a sudra also possesses the qualities of other three castes. But, a sudra is happiest in carrying out his/her own inborn behaviors that bring to fruition his/her desire to serve the society as well as make him realize his true potential as a productive member of society. A Brahmin on the other hand is guided by his own inborn nature to learn the sciences, arts literature and religion and transfer this knowledge to others. It does not mean that a Brahmin is either incapable of serving the society doing something else or that he has no natural instincts to serve the society. Continued:
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Sonupv
09:54 AM on 08/04/2011
BS, complete BS. I don't know how you came up with that non sense.
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04:48 AM on 06/22/2011
Discrimation---Contd
The following are some the possible manifestations of discrimination of Dalit pupils in school situation.
1. Forming their own groups 2. Non-participation or minimum level participation in extra-curricular and academic activities 3. Drinking water and eating meals separately 4. Teachers and pupils make them sit separately, both directly and indirectly, outside the classroom, in a corner of the room or at backbenches. Any resistance to this leads to punishment or boycott. 5. Often teachers ignore and discourage them, use abusive language referring to family/caste background, give harder punishment and humiliate them in front of others, give less marks, ridicule their language, their accent etc.

Teachers use indirect methods of discrimination by way of looks, expressions, language; whenever it is not possible to show it openly and directly.

Dalit students come from the families that depend on upper castes both socially and economically.

Due to lack of educational traditions in the families they lag behind in social skills, grasping and articulating.

The school curriculum should perceive critically between objective reality and half-truth and faith based myths.

However, the present curriculum has failed to mould the young brain through clean, holistic, rational and multi-dimensional view of their socio-political and economic environment.

The nature of text books locate the problem of education, backwardness and poverty as the result of the Dalits own doing rather than systematic discrimination resulting out of combination of historically perpetuated religious, social, economic and political factors.
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06:11 AM on 06/22/2011
@kodimirpal - ok now you are re-stating the problem - but where in is the solution.
As already discussed 'Caste is not the problem - Caste based discrimination is the problem'.
You are trying to re-state the problem rather than providing any contribution to a proper solution.
06:49 PM on 06/25/2011
Solution? Human diversity demands an interplay of the dynamic forces within an individual and within a society. Mormon's still consider women incapable of being priests as do catholics. In Afghanistan, women are felt to not deserve education. (non-Indian examples because the actual problem is far greater than the caste system.) The greater problem is one of human nature. I fear the other because the other is not me (therefore I could be wrong, my ideas could actually be false...). We can reduce genetic claims by open breeding (free sex!). We can reduce economic claims by egalitarian distribution of wealth (you work hard so I can be better off). We can reduce social claims by creating free migration paths (you build a city, I exploit it). We can reduce intellectual claims by dis-valuing education (hmm seen the Tea Party lately). The solution lies in the individual who says "I have elements of all the castes. Sometimes I am a worker, sometimes an economic animal, sometimes a leader, sometimes a spiritualist. - that is - I am one with the supreme that has all these" (But to enforce that would be discrimination against those who disagree.) hariaum
07:55 PM on 06/28/2011
Caste is not a problem? It is a problem. The idea that entire human race can be divided into four neat categories is ridiculous. What about a musician who is a great runner? Or a teacher who is in the army?

Caste had always been an issue in Indian society. People were always discriminated based on caste as far back as 2500 years ago. Now we are trying to rewrite history by making this argument that is laughable if it not for the seriousness of the issue.
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03:57 AM on 06/22/2011
Urbanisation in India has an effect on the reduction of caste based discrimination but still the scourge brutally prevails

Discrimination goes against universally accepted values of Human Rights, democracy and citizenship enshrined in Indian Constitution. The institution and practices built upon the caste system have repeatedly proved to be a stumbling block for lower castes/tribes.

Graded inequality embedded in the caste system dictates that certain occupations like performing pooja, teaching-learning and agriculture are considered pure and superior and upper castes only have the `rightful' right to perform.

While occupations like scavenging, sweeping, shoemaking, haircutting are impure and polluting and are performed by lower castes.

Further, this understanding of purity and pollution also throws up the practice of untouchability, physical/social distance/segregation, private/public life, language demeaning to intrinsic human value.

Caste inequality, practice of untouchability etc. may have been socially constructed but the members of the lower castes have internalized it and consider this position divinely given in the human order. This makes them willingly submit to the dictates of upper caste whims and fancies.

This leads lower caste people to suffer from 1. Poverty and ignorance 2. Social and cultural sufferings 3. Religious exploitation and superstition 4. Identity, isolation and complex 5. Poor pathetic living conditions 6. No human dignity 7. No labour dignity 8. Subjudiced low status 9. `We' and `they' feeling 10. Dependency syndrome.

http://nhrc.nic.in/Publications/documents/chapter3.htm
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06:15 AM on 06/22/2011
@kodimirpal - ok - now thats a problem that you are re-instating. But where in is the solution.
There have been reservations and the congress govt. headed by a foreigner and president position headed by a minority religion's person have all come and gone for the past 60+ years in independent India - why then are the dalits still not helped up?
Thats because their own people who are 'netas' or politicians do not want them to be educated and just keep the problem ( just as you are mentioning here ) to be present to keep their presence in the elections.
So, we see that a system which has worked for 5000 years is intentionally damaged by colonial rule and then in the pretext of helping - the divide is further made between the communities in the name of reservations, etc.,
There should be a concrete approach in bringing out the efforts made in the past 60+ years and not statistics by these 'human rights commissions' which are nothing but the pretext of the western (christian) evangelicals to gain grounds by creating disturbances within the Indian society.
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10:29 AM on 06/22/2011
It is quite common that all of us including top level thinkers and politicians of India are good at defining the problems but no one comes with the right solution in solving them. In the opinion many, the reasons are is corruption, financial mismanagement, favouritism, caste-barriers, vote bank politics, wrong type of democracy, greed and apathy. Who will accept the solution that Dr Ambedkar gave to the down trodden Indians. Moreover that has not seemed to have worked either. There is something basically and seriously wrong.
08:23 PM on 06/21/2011
Dr. Jain
Great Article. Its time someone explained the right philosophy and rationale behind the system. Many years of injustice in the interim years have erased the beautiful rationale for civil society. We understand different departments of Human resources, IT, for a company, but the same understanding is not extended to an society that needed to organize its human resources the most
efficient way. Besides does the current dilution of values, institutional corruption, electoral mismanagement, etc, under the so-called democracy make the original idea any less valid or incorrect. We are willing to grant benefit of doubt to democracy because its proximal to us, but unwilling to grant the same benefit of understanding to a system which had a very sound philosophical basis , abuses notwithstanding. Chandu Sharma
07:58 PM on 06/28/2011
First it is not a philosophy and two there is no rationale. I suppose you are not a Sudra, good for you, you can sit on your ivory tower and make these comments about the validity of the original idea.
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07:05 PM on 06/29/2011
@murugan kumar - by the way - I am a Sudra - so is every one who are born in this world - what is the big difference that you try getting here.
All we see is your set making mentality.
There is clear and precise mentioning in Rig Veda's Purusha Suktham portion that states without doubt that - 'Sudhro Ajaha' - meaning - all are born Sudras.
So, what makes you so special among Sudhras??
01:28 PM on 06/21/2011
....Contd: With yet further refinement of action, sattwa makes its approach, at which there is the evolution of virtues such as control of the mind and senses, concentration, innocence, contemplation and abstract meditation, and faith as well the capacity to hear the voice of God-all qualities that provide access to Him. With the emergence of these qualities the worshipper comes to belong to the Brahmin class. This, however, is the lowest stage of worship at this level. When ultimately the worshipper is united with God, at that point-the highest point-he is neither a Brahmin, nor a Kshatriya, nor a Vaishya, nor a Shudr.So worship of God is the only action-the ordained action. And it is this one action that is divided into four stages according to the motivating properties. The division was made, as we have seen, by a saint—by a Yogeshwar. A sage dwelling in the unmanifest was the maker of this division. Yet Sri Krishn tells Arjun to regard him, the indestructible and maker of varn, as a non-doer. How can it be so? We will see this in next verse.
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01:27 PM on 06/21/2011
...Contd: The body is still and quiet, but the mind which should be really quiet soars aloft weaving webs of fancies. Waves upon waves of speculation toss it. Then why do we sit idly in the name of meditation and waste time? The only remedy at this stage is it dedicate ourselves to the service of wise men who dwell in the unmanifest and of those who have gone ahead of us on the path. This will subdue negative impressions and strengthen thoughts that are conducive to worship.
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Gradually, with the diminishing of forces of darkness and ignorance, there is the growing sway of the quality of rajas, and a partial awakening of the property of good and moral virtue (sattwa) as well, because of which the worshipper’s ability is elevated to the Vaishya level. Then the same worshipper begins spontaneously to imbibe qualities such as control of the senses and to accumulate other virtuous impulses. Proceeding further on the path of action, he is endowed with the wealth of righteousness. The property of rajas now grows faint and tamas is dormant. At this stage of development the worshipper steps on to the Kshatriya level. Prowess, the ability to be immersed in action, unwillingness to retreat, mastery over feelings, the capacity to carve his way through the three properties of nature-are now the inherent features of the worshipper’s disposition. Contd...