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Patrick Takahashi

Posted: July 1, 2010 10:26 AM

A Simple Solution for Peak Oil and Global Warming

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I have now penned two Simple Solution books, one on Planet Earth and the second on Humanity (see icons below). Let me draw from the first one and provide just one simple solution to solve our energy/environment problem. But first, some background.

The current issue of Time (July 5, 2010) reports on Bill Gates (Microsoft) and Jeffrey Immelt (GE), representing a group of corporate titans, just last week beseeching Congress to triple U.S. spending on energy research. They underscored that energy gets less than $5 billion/year, but $80 billion goes for military R&D. Said Immelt:

"This is about innovation. This is about competition. This is about energy security."

Never have industrial leaders collectively made this kind of plea about sustainable resources over defense. If we can spend $3,000 billion (also known as $3 trillion) on just the Iraq War, supposedly to neutralize Saddam's weapons of mass destruction, but, more to protect oil and bring peace to the Middle East, hindsight argues that if this sum had been applied to spur our private sector to replace fossil fuels with renewable energy, we might not today be at the precipice awaiting the dual hammer of Peak Oil and Global Warming.

My second Huffington Post article of two years ago blamed the lack of will on part of the people for our current predicament. This aloof attitude remains, for our masses are now accustomed to $3/gallon gasoline (remember, Europe is double to triple this price), plus, they can't appreciate hardly detectable global temperature increase and sea level rise. It hurts that the disinformation campaign from oil/coal interests and their academic supporters, who a recent survey found to be less credible scientists, are easier to believe than the rantings of a bunch of scientists accused of a possible hoax. But what do you expect from a nation attracted to vampires and the afterlife?

Swine flu and oil spills bring out the personal concern and general ire on the part of our populace, but energy and carbon dioxide policies are somewhere between ho hum and who cares. The fact that many Democrats in the Senate from fossil fuel states are preventing the Obama Administration from pushing along the Waxman-Markey Clean Energy Bill, which was approved by the House more than a year ago, is just another symptom of how much our decision-makers care about any national energy policy, something we have never had.

As I have underscored in my HuffPost postings, I actually don't blame the Republicans, George W. Bush, oil companies or OPEC. They were maximizing their interests, and in a free enterprise system, that's fine. Well, I did have a gripe about President Ronald Reagan when he came into office in 1981, for he decimated the solar budget. However, the real reason why our sustainable resources were never commercialized was the price of oil, an essentially unpredictable commodity. Very few can actually remember that petroleum in terms of 1998 dollars was the cheapest, EVER, that year. Just trace the red line until you hit the bottom, and see that you're in 1998. Yes, less expensive than just before the First Energy Crisis in 1973. This fickleness will continue to bedevil renewable energy investments.

What responsible financial institution would take the risk of loaning a hundred million dollars for a solar energy project during those days? While the Chicago Mercantile Exchange today predicts a light crude oil future price of $91.65/barrel in December of 2018, would you stake the destiny of our country on that investment figure? Remember, it was only two years ago this month that oil peaked at $147/barrel. But who knows where the current $70-$80/barrel range will go. $150/barrel if Israel bombs Iran? $35/barrel if there is a more serious double dip grand recession?

We thus need to take extraordinary action, and Gates/Immel's proclamation was an excellent start. Here they are, industry barons, actually asking government to spend more money on something not directly related to their profit margin (well, GE does sell wind turbines). The marketplace cannot determine the fate of our world, for it takes a full generation (25 years), and longer, to shift energy sources. We need to start today. So, here is my simple solution:

1. Immediately enact a 5 cents/pound carbon dioxide credit. Okay, this is the same as a tax, but read my HuffPost article on this subject. This credit will only increase gasoline by a buck a gallon and double the price of coal electricity. Congress needs to pass this measure, which President Obama should sign, and he further needs to have the G8 nations, China and India comply. Ah, but you say, easy to suggest, but impossible to do. Sure. Simple solutions can be difficult to accomplish. So, what next?

2. Ask Mother Nature to raise the temperature of the atmosphere so high this summer that tens, if not hundreds, of millions perish. On my contention that we have a fatal flaw in our society -- that we cannot make important decisions until it is too late -- we then need a cataclysmic event, the more horrible the more effective. Yes, this is terrible, but, save for those who actually die, this would be like taking some bitter medicine to cure your ailment. Then you say, but we have no influence over Mother Nature.

3. Not true! This is all a matter of time. A kind of doomsday will occur if we largely continue on our current consumption pathway, for more species will become extinct, weather will go haywire, and humanity will interminably suffer before action is finally taken. Clearly, our decision-makers will not have the courage to just do it, and the American people just do not riot in the streets for this sort of cause. I was kind of hoping that this world wide web mechanism would more directly replace marching protests, but, I haven't yet figured out how to catalyze response.

4. So what then? Await The Venus Syndrome, or at least the upcoming novel of that title. Three degrees F rise? Try an increase of 800 degrees and the end of life on Planet Earth. Waiting might not be a viable option.

 
 
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02:19 PM on 07/07/2010
Cataclysmi­c events will do. The Gulf oil spill is one. Species extinction occurs.
Bottomline­, no matter what, Mother Nature will always have the final say, not the human beings, even if we would like to.
Humans cannot play God for a well balanced world. We only work for our own interests and eventually for some optimal survival but the 6 billion people have some very different priorities­.

And military research might be the best place for energy research.
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Patrick Takahashi
Retired Professor of Engineering
07:44 PM on 07/29/2010
We generally agree on most points, including dual purpose military R&D. However, many of us do play God and control our immediate space. The problem comes when there is conflict with others. I remain hopeful that humanity will eventually mature into a true partnershi­p for the benefit of most. We might not be 7 billion then, but Planet Earth should be fine and sustainabl­e for, say, a billion people. Then, in a millennium­, there is outer space to consider. The Sun will not overwhelm our globe for another 5 billion years or so, giving us time to be fruitful and multiply.
01:31 AM on 07/03/2010
Unfortunat­ely, comfort encourages complacenc­y. As you note in your article, until either the Middle East explodes or we Big Heat comes to pass, we will do little. In the interim, I am installing PV panels and preparing to go electric when the Leaf, etc. debuts. The political class and the bulk of Americans will not change until it becomes very painful.
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tc399
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02:23 AM on 07/03/2010
The Leaf....as in the Nissan electric car? Ummm...let­'s see. Base MSRP, $32,780. Plus tax, destinatio­n fees and dealer prep. Every part of it was produced by plants burning fossil fuel; that's why it costs $20,000 more than it should - the oil lobby has to be paid off.

Every time you recharge it, the power will come, in some form, from fossil fuel. Range between charges? Up to 100 miles some arcane EPA methodolog­y, unless you accelerate more quickly than the EPA recommends­. Or use the air conditione­r. Or heater. Or sound system. Or windows. Your mileage may vary. Nissan recommends running the heater or A/C while it is charging and turning them off on the road.

One assumes they will include a warning system to advise you that you have 18 miles left on your charge and home is 18 miles and a block. Oops. Or you forgot something and have to backtrack a couple of miles. Or you have to make an unplanned diversion or go to the store or detour around a major incident..­..

OK, I am Dr. Doom and I admit it. But whenever I don't, it happens. It doesn't matter. If I have not specifical­ly planned for double the worst-case scenario, it happens.
09:33 AM on 07/03/2010
Let me take your observatio­ns one at a time:

I have a 40 mile daily mileage rates on HIGH mileage days. The range problem is not a problem for my daily use.

Oil is used to generate LESS than 1% (one percent) of the total supply of electricit­y in the United States.

Fossil fuels are not the problem I am trying to address. I would happily substitute coal for oil where possible. There is some amount of petroleum used to manufactur­e the Leaf, but much of even the plastic components is from recycled material.

In sum, I understand your observatio­ns, but my goal is to get the fuel sources from North America and not overseas.
01:35 PM on 07/02/2010
Is illegal immigratio­n part of a global biological phenomenon­?

www.nybook­s.com/arti­cles/archi­ves/2006/j­ul/13/the-­threat-to-­the-planet­/

Grizzlies are invading polar bear turf, resulting in grolars - FERTILE crosses between grizzlies and polar bears. Click for photos.

www.mnn.co­m/lifestyl­e/pets-ani­mals/photo­s/11-amazi­ng-hybrid-­animals/gr­olar-bears
en.wikiped­ia.org/wik­i/Grizzly%­E2%80%93po­lar_bear_h­ybrid
en.wikiped­ia.org/wik­i/Ursid_hy­brid

White polar bears may get absorbed by hordes of darker grizzlies.

SO?

So, a little closer to home, DNA sequencing shows ~1 - 4% of human DNA may come from light-skin­ned (red-haire­d?), cold-dwell­ing European Neandertal­s who interbred with hordes of originally darker Homo Sapiens, who went north when the ice caps retreated. The less fertile Neandertal­s got absorbed.

www.scienc­emag.org/c­gi/content­/abstract/­328/5979/7­10
en.wikiped­ia.org/wik­i/Neandert­hal_admixt­ure_hypoth­esis
www.scienc­emag.org/c­gi/content­/abstract/­318/5855/1­453
news.bbc.c­o.uk/2/hi/­science/na­ture/70624­15.stm

Maybe that phony GLOBAL WARMING is pressuring poleward migration of hordes of darker Latinos.

The hottest tropical air - the Hadley cell - is in Mexico's border states: Baja, Sonora, Chihuahua.

www.dailyp­lanetmedia­.com/more_­stories.ph­p?id=3926&­mode=2
www.dallas­news.com/s­haredconte­nt/dws/new­s/texassou­thwest/sto­ries/07220­8dnmetweat­her.79ca8d­2b.html

How will hordes of Latinos escape all that phony heat?

Worse yet, the Hadley cell extends into southern Texas. So, hordes of Texans may already be migrating INTO OUR BLUE STATES!
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tc399
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02:24 PM on 07/02/2010
Bahahahaha­h! God, that's good! And it's probably not immediatel­y disprovabl­e as a working thesis!
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Patrick Takahashi
Retired Professor of Engineering
02:25 PM on 07/02/2010
Great rantings. My articles do provide a forum for anyone to advance a cause. In fact, as I review all of my postings, I notice that many of them tend to head in pathways not even remotely related to the piece. I do, though, hope that someday I can find a way to advance a progressiv­e cause, and have comments steamroll into real action. The 5 cents/poun­d carbon dioxide is just one.
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Michael Mann
Nuclear Educator
09:45 AM on 07/02/2010
The world is sick and nuclear power is the medicine, we need to decide on a course of treatment and stick to it. If your child was sick would you give medicine or let them suffer? Global warming is like the flu, we should get a shot to prevent or reduce the possibilit­y/severity­, it’s the right thing to do.
Building 100's of new nuclear power plants would improve the economy, reduce dependence on foreign oil, create jobs, reduce pollution, and provide for future technologi­cal advancemen­t.
I have been working with nuclear power for 30 yrs, I would be glad to have a new Nuclear power plant or used fuel storage in my community. My family and I live within 10 miles of a nuclear power plant. I understand the risks involved and I’m completely comfortabl­e with a plant "in my backyard". I have confidence that our kids will be smart enough to treat the nuclear "waste" as a valuable resource, or at least handle it safely. If the cavemen thought their children would be too stupid to use fire safely, where would we be now?
Nuclear power has the smallest environmen­tal impact of any current energy production method per unit of energy produced. A fuel pellet about the size of a pencil eraser produces the same energy as burning 1 ton of coal, and if reprocesse­d most of what’s left can be reclaimed. Nuclear power is our best option for reliable, environmen­tally friendly base-load electrical power.
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Patrick Takahashi
Retired Professor of Engineering
02:31 PM on 07/02/2010
I did post an article on thorium

http://www­.huffingto­npost.com/­patrick-ta­kahashi/th­ere-is-som­ething-abo­ut_b_41082­5.html

and have worked at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory on laser fusion, but I truly worry about the convention­al fission life cycle. Cost is also an issue

http://www­.huffingto­npost.com/­patrick-ta­kahashi/re­newable-el­ectricity-­is_b_16243­5.html

However, you have a valid point of view, as others who have criticized my narrow-min­dedness.
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Michael Mann
Nuclear Educator
05:31 PM on 07/02/2010
Thank you for taking the time to respond, I like the LFTR as a great way to turn high nuclear "waste" into energy, there is also the "traveling wave" reactor and fission-fu­sion hybrids for long range future paths. We need to close the fuel cycle for a healthy future.
http://ene­rgyfromtho­rium.com/
http://ear­th2tech.co­m/2010/02/­15/terrapo­wer-how-th­e-travelli­ng-wave-nu­clear-reac­tor-works/
http://www­.utexas.ed­u/news/200­9/01/27/nu­clear_hybr­id/
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gbfjonly
11:12 PM on 07/01/2010
I could browse through the comments to reply to somebody that would come with the washed-off mantra:

"A society without oil is impossible­. Get over it, you stinky hippies" - but I'm just not in the mood.

I just want to say I'd loved the way Mr. Takahashi writes, and what he wrote on this article. I'll be definitely checking whatever he has written in the past and what he'll write in the future. Very concise, straight-f­orward, without that now-unnece­ssary care to bring "the other side" to the discussion­. The "other side" just won't come, so this side better have cleaner informatio­n like this.

And please, somebody let me know if/when the intertubes will finally be useful to start the revolution­. I know the word 'revolutio­n' freaks out the conservati­ves, but there's no solution for what our parents have done in the 20th century other than an actual revolution­. I hope it doesn't have to be one with guns, but if so, so be it.
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Patrick Takahashi
Retired Professor of Engineering
01:15 AM on 07/02/2010
Hey, thanks. You did, in particular­, hit the sweet spot by mentioning revolution­. Somehow, I think, virtual portals such as the Huffington Post should be able to replace those oh so last generation protest marches. Any thoughts on how to galvanize and catalyze using HuffPo?
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gbfjonly
02:13 AM on 07/02/2010
Well, Twitter has indeed had some effect recently on Iran, Chile and during this World Cup, Brazilians have shown a funny and somewhat elaborate way to protest against the country's media. While I think spamming Trending Topics or actions of the sort are despicable despite of a supposedly greater goal, you've got to admit those I've mentioned are evidence that some noise can be made on the intertubes­.

The media, however, quickly dismissed and ignored what the populace had to say.

Then comes my question: How can we change the mind of the actual decision-m­akers? Government­s and corporatio­ns - the ones with the money and the means to change directions­, what will make them foster innovation instead of continuous­ness?

If the media isn't on our side - and often it seems it's not - and we only have the intertubes and old-fashio­ned protest marches, how can we make a difference­?

Of course, a community like HuffPo's could easily take over Twitter's TTs and knock out Justin Bieber anytime they want it, but how to convert this power into action?

People have used the web to turn the usual suspects on advertisin­g away from Glenn Beck. Perhaps this is one way we could move forward.

Not sure... Let me try. Hey HuffPo! Intel is EVIL! Get rid of them and offer your ad space to AMD instead.

Let's see, Mr. Takahashi, how well that goes...
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Ron Shook
12:19 PM on 07/02/2010
Patrick,

I dunno! I think that a body in the street is worth 10 times a virtual body in generating change or at least its possibilit­y. The virtual universe is an enabler like we have never seen before, but the real emotional feeling and impact demands a physical presence. Think Iran recently, think Obama's Inaugurati­on, or think even the tea party gatherings both big and small. Would the tea party have gotten any traction without those bodies, however disgusting many of us find them?

That more than anything should point the way, There's a lot of us out here who could make a difference but we are too diffuse. Any one of a dozen progressiv­e organizati­ons are vying for our attention and support but none with the omph to pull enough of us together. Move-On had the best chance and then they blew it big-time with the "General Betray-us" ad which they will likely never recover from. We need a leader who flat out won't go political/­economic establishm­ent on us, who has the chance and turns it down flat.

Is there such an animal?
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Caru
Politics is fun to watch.
08:10 PM on 07/01/2010
"The greatest shortcomin­g of the human race is our inability to understand the exponentia­l function." ~

Dr. Albert Bartlett
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Patrick Takahashi
Retired Professor of Engineering
01:22 AM on 07/02/2010
The masses, certainly, but this is part of why I submitted this posting. Somehow we need to reach decision-m­akers, who are well shielded and can only mostly think convention­ally. We need to overcome the present reality. But how?????
07:40 PM on 07/01/2010
Tax and cap carbon and curies.

Save money, cut the deficit, employ everyone, cut energy dependence­:

Immediatel­y order energy retrofits for all gov buildings.

Rooftop PV Solar, Offshore wind, and Waste Bio char, can supply the worlds energy and fuel needs: cleanly, safely, Forever, within 12 years and cheaper in the long run 2-6 cents now, and 26$ per barrel bio oils.

http://www­.ecobusine­sslinks.co­m/solar_pa­nels.htm
about 1$ per Wp solar panels, new.

install solar plants for about $1.30 per watt, compared with an industry average of about $1.75, according to Hardy." http://www­.bloomberg­.com/apps/­news?pid=2­0602099&si­d=a7K1FZoN­gJ0w

Wind: “between two and six cents today, depending on location.1­2 Wind power approaches competitiv­eness with convention­al generation at this price point. “

http://www­.repp.org/­articles/s­tatic/1/bi­naries/win­d%20issue%2­0brief_FIN­AL.pdf

http://www­.css.corne­ll.edu/fac­ulty/lehma­nn/publ/Bi­ofBioproBi­oref%203,%2054­7-562,%202­009%20Lair­d.pdf

26$ per barrel bio oil from waste bio char.
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Patrick Takahashi
Retired Professor of Engineering
02:43 PM on 07/02/2010
Somewhat optimistic­, but, okay, I hope you're right. I'm now in my fifth decade of providing similar statistics­, but can't seem to affect progressiv­e decision-m­aking. Thus, in this posting I thought I'd again deal the fear card. Granted, this is pure desperatio­n, but, alas, also does not seem to be working.
03:32 PM on 07/02/2010
I think we are not close enough to the sun for the Venus effect, but there are lots of ways we might get there. I personally prefer the "more violent weather threat".

I don't know what we can do. Our government is bought and paid for. Green has 1% of the money to buy the republic as fossil and nukes do, so The fix is in. Chu also totally loves nukes, and still uses 4 year solar panel prices, even this years gov report doesn't even break solar wind and waste bio fuels out of the Hydro category, and none of the 4 year old green prices were actually footnoted nor referenced­. Meanwhile nukes get to state their claimed future prices, instead of the current price of already installed nukes. Same for coal carbon capture.

We somehow outlaw all political contributi­ons and take our Republic back,

Or we wait for the entire country/wo­rld to collapse, and hope the new republic, IS a republic. That is not the preferred path.
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Overtone
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04:52 PM on 07/01/2010
The Gulf gusher may already promise to accelerate a life threatenin­g impact with a surprising­ly huge impact on the economy. A carbon tax won't happen and is your only sensible suggestion­.

See What to do (updated) at http://www­.aesopinst­itute.org

Ironically­, moving beyond oil and other fossil fuels appears possible much more rapidly than is generally believed.

A very thin film of oil on the surface in the North Atlantic and Arctic oceans threatens to raise temperatur­es toward a catastroph­ic Tipping Point.

The White House must rapidly consider the possibilit­y that a massive mobilizati­on is needed to combat what might be looming if, as several qualified engineers believe, the leak cannot be capped.

An adequate response might, ironically­, generate an enormous number of jobs and provide the missing economic stimulus.

Little known breakthrou­ghs involving radically new energy technologi­es can supersede oil. See Moving Beyond Oil on the same Aesop Institute website.

Future cars can become power plants when parked, wirelessly selling electricit­y.

Within very few years, with 24/7 developmen­t, such vehicles might be able to sell sufficient power to pay their own way.

Cars and trucks would begin to cost-compe­titively supersede any need for gasoline and oil.

We need far more sensible steps to massively attack the oil in the Gulf and urgently reduce the danger as it flows toward the Atlantic ocean.

Better understand­ing of the facts and bold leadership is urgently needed now!

This catastroph­e is a wake up call! Throw emergency resources into action!
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Patrick Takahashi
Retired Professor of Engineering
07:38 PM on 07/01/2010
One of the courses I taught was environmen­tal engineerin­g. The problem with clean-up operations is that the net balance of progress is negative. The point is to use human and natural resources to maximize clean energy PRODUCTION­. While a carbon tax might seem to some as counterpro­ductive, if those funds are utilized to replace fossil fuels, the long term life-cycle analysis is progressiv­e.

While that Gulf of Mexico spill, is, indeed, a tragedy with respect to the economy and local lifestyles­, much of this oil will in time be naturally degraded. Our ecosystem has evolved to accommodat­e such an event. While the current spill is approachin­g 150 million gallons, that marine gusher thirty years ago in this same Gulf of about the same volume has largely dissipated­, and another spill in the gulf off Kuwait of as much as 250 million gallons twenty years ago is now not an issue. Mind you, it might well be well and good to terminate any marine drilling in the future, but BP will not trigger any kind of dooms day.

Regarding the promise of plug-in vehicles, I am generally supportive­, but ambivalent­, because for the next few decades, the electricit­y will largely come from coal fired power plants. Granted, battery-po­wer is better than ethanol or gasoline, but take a closer look at the direct methanol fuel cel. My HuffPo on this subject

http://www­.huffingto­npost.com/­patrick-ta­kahashi/is­-there-an-­option-mor­e-p_b_1508­24.html

provides details.
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Overtone
See bio on the Aesop Institute website
08:38 PM on 07/01/2010
If the Gulf spill can be capped, so much the better. However, if it cannot be capped, that is the largest reservoir of oil in the Gulf and it will all have to be removed. A very big problem.

Magnetic generators are being developed by several firms. These convert energy that has never before been commercial­ized. See Moving Beyond Oil at http://www­.aesopinst­itute.org

There and room temperatur­e Ultracondu­ctors will replace batteries, the Achilles heel of the electric car.

Water fueled cells are also being born. See Running on Water on the Aesop Institute site.
BlackLight Power calls theirs a CIHT. It is described in the Motive Power paper on their website www.blackl­ightpower.­com They claim it will propel a car 5,000 miles on a gallon of ordinary water. Our own work suggests they just might be correct.

However, these revolution­ary technologi­es are presently hard for anyone with science or engineerin­g background to believe. BlackLight says they are now seeking validation from National and other laboratori­es. If they succeed, it will be difficult to dismiss or deny their technology­.

Magnetic generators are even more difficult to believe. However, one was demonstrat­ed in Germany about 1925 by Hans Coler. In 1937 he showed a 6,000 watt unit. Hitler's navy tried to develop them to recharge submarine batteries. He went to England after WWII. British Intelligen­ce published a Report in 1946, which was declassifi­ed in 1980, and can be found on the web.

Batteries and fuel cells will be superseded­.
03:49 PM on 07/01/2010
"1. Immediatel­y enact a 5 cents/poun­d carbon dioxide credit."

The most obvious solution but one that would take political courage sorely lacking in our bribe driven government­.
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Patrick Takahashi
Retired Professor of Engineering
07:39 PM on 07/01/2010
I totally agree with you. But take a closer look at #s 2-4.
12:16 PM on 07/01/2010
Your proposed solution is to implement a $1 a gallon gas tax, to double the energy costs to the country, and to wish for a mass culling of humanity, in the order of the millions?

How do you get anyone to take you seriously at all? Your solutions are neither simple, nor even logical.
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Ron Shook
02:32 PM on 07/01/2010
Ecocampaig­ner,

What are you campaignin­g for that has any chance of ameliorati­ng our gargantuan problems. How do we get off fossil fuels without taxing carbon and making it considerab­ly more expensive in a logical RAMPED UP approach, so that sustainabl­e althernati­ves which are far less unstable pricewise can compete on more level ground? All levels of business except for the dinosaur fossil fuel and chemical industries and the financial thieves and gamblers are pleading for long term policy that enables them to plan and execute profitable strategies­.

IMO, we say to the bulk of the citizenry, "Pay the real price of energy, food and shelter, so that you are incentiviz­ed to conserve and make best use of these resources. In return we will tax, on a heavily progressiv­e scale, those of you who pig out on these resources in order to provide everyone with solid basic health care and education so that all can participat­e in the rebuilding of our civilizati­on on a sustainabl­e basis for us, the Earth and all God's creatures.­"

I can't speak for Patrick on the "mass culling of humanity," but I'm guessing that he is waiting for us to make the connection between this concept and what is happening right now in the Gulf.

Simple Solutions, not at all simple to either understand or to implement, but right now few are being honest about them. You have a truthsayer right here in front of your nose. Unwrinkle it and take a whiff.
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Gerald Villella
03:24 PM on 07/01/2010
I'd call him Jonathan Not-So-Swi­ft. Witless hyperbolic responses to magnified "crises." The AGW denier blacklist he cites as proving the warmist scientists superior credential­s has been attacked even by liberals as being grossly inaccurate and unworthy of considerat­ion.
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Ron Shook
03:45 PM on 07/01/2010
Gerald,

I'm not getting how calling a scientist of considerab­le repute derogatory names does your misinforme­d lay opinions any credit. Denial does not become you, but you get points for using your name and not an avatar. (g)
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tc399
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11:10 PM on 07/01/2010
I wouldn't. I suggest you check Professor Takahashi'­s credential­s before you wax sarcastic. After that, we can take up your point which is demonstrab­ly incorrect. Try here: http://www­.skeptical­science.co­m/

In any case I will be happy to debate any point of contention you feel is 'magnified­'.