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Paul Abrams

Posted March 17, 2009 | 02:14 PM (EST)

Beyond Clawback: Using the Tax Code More Expansively to Address AIG Bonuses


The much-reviled US tax code contains within it thousands of special treatments and exclusions that enable small subclasses of people to enjoy deductions, credits or even exclusions from paying taxes.

There is ample precedent, therefore, for the Congress to define subclasses for special tax treatment.

Congress can find that payments from US taxpayers to financial institutions to prevent bankruptcy in the public interest were not designed to satisfy contractual obligations that would have been abrogated had the company died its natural death. From such a finding, it can, in keeping with precedent defining subclasses for special tax treatment, set a very high tax rate, say 85%, on all income of those who received at least a certain level of income from these institutions.

While they are at it, Congress could also clawback similar categories of income received last year, and even add certain subclasses of people who received huge bonuses in the 3 years leading up to the company's need for taxpayer bailout funds. Those banks that took bailout money at the behest of the Treasury, but would not have become bankrupt had they refused, ought to be excluded.

This is not, nor should it appear to be, a witch hunt. If it were, or appeared to be, the taxes could be viewed as punishment rather than recovery, and thus potentially subject to the prohibition against ex post facto laws in the Constitution. In Calder v Bull, [3 U.S. (3 Dall.) 386, 393 (1798)], the Supreme Court determined that that prohibition applied only to criminal laws.

Clawback from those who caused those institutions to go 'broke back' requiring taxpayer bailout and from those who never would have received any money had their institutions died natural deaths are both legitimate recovery.

And, it is very important. Public support for fixing the financial system is vanishing. The egregious bonuses are a constant reminder of how the wealthy are able to jigger the system to benefit themselves.

To show those days are over, the President and Congress should act through the tax code.


The much-reviled US tax code contains within it thousands of special treatments and exclusions that enable small subclasses of people to enjoy deductions, credits or even exclusions from paying taxes.
The much-reviled US tax code contains within it thousands of special treatments and exclusions that enable small subclasses of people to enjoy deductions, credits or even exclusions from paying taxes.
 
 
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12:35 PM on 03/19/2009
What if they all put their bonuses in tax havens, ie, Cayman Islands?? Only little people pay taxes.
05:41 PM on 03/18/2009
At one time there was a 90% marginal tax rate in this country on excessive income. Bring it back!

There's no reason for the filthy rich to hoard so much money, especially since it was probably ill-gotten to begin with. Let us stop the silly worship of the wealthy; we now know that their feet are made of clay. They are no better or more talented than the average person, they just have less scruples.
12:02 PM on 03/18/2009
How about this ? Disallow any deductions taken which are associated in any way with hedge funds and credit swap derivatives and other fanciful financial products.
Then the ensuing income tax levied could be increased, using the AMT, alternative minimum tax, which will tax the hell out of the excess income tax - sort of a tax on top of the tax. It's been on the books for years, and is perfectly legal.
And make it retroactive while they're at it.
Then the IRS has to follow up with the affected people, to make sure they pay their taxes when due.
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11:56 AM on 03/18/2009
I wasn't sure about the legality, but ethically, the tax code has certainly been manipulated to offer unjust advantages to preferred classes and it's long past time to turn that around.
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This is not, nor should it appear to be, a witch hunt. If it were, or appeared to be, the taxes could be viewed as punishment rather than recovery, and thus potentially subject to the prohibition against ex post facto laws in the Constitution. In Calder v Bull, [3 U.S. (3 Dall.) 386, 393 (1798)], the Supreme Court determined that that prohibition applied only to criminal laws.
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Let's do this.
09:51 AM on 03/18/2009
A lot of these bonuses were paid to AIG managers who are BRITISH citizens. Taxing them is impossible. If our Congressmen are really so dim-witted as to suggest that, then they should not be alowed in public without adult supervision. Dems and Republicans alike should get together and force Congress to produce a better "work product". I am all for wholesale replacement of the whole da*n bunch of them.
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09:35 AM on 03/18/2009
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I love this idea. It seems to be the easiest way to get the money back into the Treasury.

And I would like to propose a CREDIT for people who are homeless. The Earned Income Credit does not help people who have been unemployed or underemployed so there needs to be a tax credit to get money into the hands of homeless people who want to rent a place. And buy stuff.
02:26 AM on 03/18/2009
Great post. I wish that you were working for the Obama admin, Mr. Abrams. The current economic team seems to lack problem solving skills when the situation involves their compadres on Wall Street. And Congress... none our represntatives of Senators thought of this. Perhaps you could consult with Sens. Wyden and Snowe on their new bill.
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08:22 PM on 03/17/2009
Well, okay. I guess that's better than my plan for changing the law so that they can be fired and march out the door naked.
08:08 PM on 03/17/2009
Why did Geithner know about this and kept quiet? He gave out the remaining 30 billion two weeks ago and said nothing. The President deserves to have people around him who protect him from these kind of surprises. This is unacceptable. Obama deserves better than this Treasury Secretary and I know he has no staff, etc., but he is proving to be loyal to the wall street people and not the main street people. I am hearing things I don't like but can't confirm so I don't want to start any unnecessary rumors. But has anyone heard that Geithner will discuss a new global currency at the G20 Summit in a few weeks? This would destroy our dollar. Just asking, don't shoot the messenger.
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04:41 PM on 03/17/2009
The proposal was to tax at 100% all bonuses over $100K by any company who has accept the federal bailout money.

My only problem is that $100K figure. Make it $1.
05:31 PM on 03/17/2009
The law is not exactly designed to be used as a personal revenge tool. That's pretty much the opposite of what the law is supposed to be...

I don't criticize your emotions here... just saying that you have to look for another outlet. This one is completely unsuitable and you will end up even more disappointed and outraged.
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07:33 PM on 03/17/2009
But it is used as a public revenge tool.

Just look at the drug laws pertaining to blacks and whites re: cocaine and crack.

I see no reason not to rewrite the tax laws for, say, hedge fund managers. They're already taxes differently. So....those conditions can be changed to not be so advantageous. Same goes for bonuses. They can be taxed at a much higher rate than a regular salary.

The law can be used for anything we want. So if AIG doesn't see fit to do the right thing, they will be forced to one way or another.
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09:32 AM on 03/18/2009
The Bush administration used the IRS as their goon squad. Disagree with the Bush? Hey, maybe we need to take a little looky-look at your tax returns. Using the tax code to correct grand theft is no biggie.
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04:14 PM on 03/17/2009
You're right on the money.

There is, of course, case law which provides that Congress can even adopt retroactive provisions without viiolating the Constitution.

Some caution needs to be exercised, however, and we need to watch actions of the politicians.

If all of them genuinely want to claw back the taxpayer-financed bonuses, they will propose and draft the legislative language in a way that does not violate Article I, Section 9, paragraph 3 of the Constitution regarding the prohibition against creating a Bill of Attainder.

In contrast, if there are those who want to pretend that they want to recover unjustified bonuses while actually wanting to work to provide protection for the recipients through the Constitional provision, they may purposely do just the opposite.

Of course, the same paragraph in Article I, Section 9 contains a prohibition against ex post facto laws but this prohibition is restricted to criminal laws and is inapplicable to strictly tax provisions even when they are intended to be applied retroactively.
05:35 PM on 03/17/2009
Without knowing much about the law any and all of this sounds like a dead birth. I doubt that the supreme court (the current one or any near term future version of it) will subscribe to your theory that the law can be used by the government to break existing non-government contracts. I also doubt that there is much one can do without explicitly confiscating private property, the consequence of which would be a giant flight of American and foreign capital. And that would simply not be worth the few bucks that we can expect to gain from any of this.

Let me make a prediction: the politicians will milk this as long as they can and by the time it's milked the public will have moved on. Then they will drop it.

In short: sometimes one just has to suck it up, no matter how bad it feels.
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09:19 PM on 03/17/2009
"Without knowing much about the law ... I doubt that the supreme court ... will subscribe to your theory that the law ..."

The Supreme Court can follow its own precedents. It is not required to subscribe to any alternative theory that you think is or might be offered.

As noted by the Chief Counsel's office for the Treasury Department in a particular 2001 memo:
"The United States Supreme court has repeatedly upheld retroactive tax
legislation provided the legislation is supported by a legitimate legislative purpose
furthered by rational means."
http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/pub/irs-wd/0108040.pdf

That memo cites one particular Supreme Court opinion. If you review that opinion, it will lead you to others.

If you believe that the Supreme Court must subscribe, if at all, to a "theory that the law can be used by the government to break existing non-government contracts," I suggest that the theory originated with you and it doesn't have to be defended by anyone else. However, since you raised the issue, please let me mention that the theory that you raised is not a particularly unusual one and give you just one example of which virtually all adults are aware. Prior to Prohibition, some alcohol producers had enforceable contracts. Prohibition changed that. A person who researches the law will find other examples as well.
08:03 PM on 03/17/2009
Congress can scream all they want, but there are so many problems with their "taxing" the bonuses, constitutionally that is. It will never hold up on appeal. I think this is a distraction from other issues like how much money was actually funneled THROUGH AIG from Congress to the Swiss, the French, the Germans, the UK, Bof A, Goldman Sachs, etc. and the list goes on. What this did was AIG was given x amount of dollars, funneled them to other countries and businesses, and then WE bailed out many of those same companies that AIG funneled money to such as BofA, etc. So, many got double bucks. I don't think we are supposed to figure this out, but it is right in your face kind of thing if you are paying attention.

This is pretty sick stuff. I don't want a federal government anymore, States could most probably take better care of themselves by themselves. No more President for me, any party!
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10:00 PM on 03/17/2009
Paul Abrams said that the Tax Code could be modified so that a special tax treatment could be applied to taxpayer-funded compensation. He even cited Calder v Bull, [3 U.S. (3 Dall.) 386, 393 (1798)] and noted that the Supreme Court held that the Constitutional prohibition against ex post facto laws only applies to criminal laws.

I happen to agree with him. In response, however, you have offered your opinion that his proposal would be futile while saying, in part, "... there are so many problems with their "taxing" the bonuses, constitutionally that is."

You are welcome to your opinion.

With respect to the futility issue, you also said, "Congress can scream all they want, ..." Does this mean something to you? It doesn't to me because I don't know of anyone in Congress who is screaming about this. If such an event has occurred, I haven't observed anyone in Congress screaming, or shriking, or even shouting.
04:03 PM on 03/17/2009
Bonuses are part of employee compensation in a lot of financial firms. So how do you determine guilt without punishing the secretary in the general pool?

If the reason for any of this is red hot revenge of the system on the system, so be it. Let's destroy Rome while we are at it (by which I mean the tax code, of course).

But if we are trying to actually punish the people who are most responsible, the tax code is a dull weapon. I can already see thousands of IRS workers with a $50k salary and a grudge work out who is supposed to pay back taxes and who isn't. And I can see the secretary being thrown under the bus without legal representation (which she can't afford), while the CEOs will get themselves a $6000/hour law teams (and have a hundred amicae curiae speak on their behalves) and sue their way all the way to the supreme court which will give them all their money back and then some.
09:45 PM on 03/17/2009
It is not punishment.
It is recovery. If it were punishment, it would violate the Constitution's prohibition against ex post facto laws. As recovery--just as in providing asymmetric benefits under the tax code--this is perfectly legitimate and would pass constitutional muster without problem.
03:56 PM on 03/17/2009
hear hear!
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03:32 PM on 03/17/2009
Hammer, meet nail-head.