Clinton's Struggles to Explain Her Iraq Position

Posted February 27, 2008 | 12:16 PM (EST)



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There have been several attempts to account for Senator Clinton's vote for the Iraq War Resolution. None withstand scrutiny.

1. The Vote on the War Resolution. Hillary Clinton says repeatedly that she was assured by George Bush that the vote was just to insert intrusive inspections, and that he abused the authority Congress gave him.

Although that is clearly true, it does not explain her vote. Juxtapose it with what she actually said in her vote speech: "This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction". Is that what someone says when she believes she is voting just to insert inspectors?

The Clinton campaign will point to other parts of that speech, in which she urged diplomacy, expressed reservations, ...but, the bottom line was how SHE herself summed up her own dilemma -- "the hardest decision I have ever had to make", did not mean intrusive inspections, it meant committing us on a path to war and the most disastrous foreign policy mistake in US history.

The campaign's attempts to reframe her vote are belied by the clear statement she made at the time of her difficulty in casting it.

Moreover, as Bush was moving to war there was nary a word of protest from Senator Hillary Clinton that she had not meant to authorize it. There is a good reason for that: she had and she wanted that known. She cast that vote "with conviction".

2. The Levin Amendment . She has provided several explanations for her vote AGAINST the Levin Amendment, always mischaracterizing its content.

The Levin Amendment provided Congressional authorization, but pre-committed the US to war if, and only if, the Security Council voted for it. It did not, as Senator Clinton has said on occasion, compel the US to go to war, but rather said that the president was authorized by Congress if the UN voted for it.

Nor did it preclude the US from going to war if the UN did not vote for it, as she has also implied. The Levin Amendment said that that in all other circumstances there was no Congressional authorization for war, and that Bush needed to get that voted upon by Congress.

That is, the Levin Amendment called for Bush to go to the UN, obtain intrusive inspections, authorized him to go to war with a Security Council vote, but required another vote by Congress if the Security Council did not vote for war.

Why do the Clintons mischaracterize the Levin Amendment? Because it is just what she should have voted for if she really only wanted to do what she now says she intended: to trigger intrusive inspections and really wanted not to provide Bush authorization for war.

So, on Meet the Press #1, she said she voted against it because it turned over authority to the UN (it did not), and because President Clinton answered NATO's call in Bosnia and Kosovo, and should not have had to go to Congress for authorization. (See, "Hillary Was Not Boring on Meet the Press -- She Raised a Critical Issue of Presidential Power", October 11, 2007).

That was dangerous ground for her since Democrats do not want presidents going to war without Congressional approval. Actually, neither did the Founding Fathers, and that is why the Constitution divided the war-making authority between the branches, but that is a subject of another article.

In one of the debates, and on MTP #2, she omitted the comment about Congressional authorization. (I would like to think that the above-referenced article forced them to backtrack, but who knows?) In the debate she repeated her mischaracterization of the provision relating to the UN. On MTP #2 she mischaracterized the entire amendment, but added she was always interested in limiting Bush's authority, i.e., she inhaled but she did not smoke.

Voting FOR the Levin Amendment was actually the vote she SHOULD have made if she truly wanted to do what she now says she did. Their problem: she voted AGAINST IT, and thus has had to pretend ever since that it was something it was not.

3. Did not read the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE). Their explanation for this is that she consulted a "wide variety of people", including those from Bill's administration, and she therefore did not need to read the NIE.

We know now that the NIE contained qualifying information about the WMD claims, including their lack of corroboration and their source emanating from "Curveball", a character to whom the CIA never spoke, and about whom German Intelligence had grave doubts.

No one, no matter how well-informed, could know that a report she has never read did not contain very useful information.

Not reading the NIE, the government's multi-agency final report, when one is about to vote based upon "the hardest decision I have ever had to make", when no one could know what that contained without having read it----and thus sharing responsibility for the deaths and injury of 30,000 Americans, the expenditure of $500B and counting--- how does all that add up? It does not.

4. Bill Clinton was against the Iraq War from the beginning!? That one did not last more than a half a news cycle, but the attempt is worth a moment's analysis. While Hillary was voting FOR the war in the "hardest decision I ever had to make", Bill Clinton gave interviews that expressed support for the war, and sometimes expressed disapproval. He was for and against the war at the same time.

Early in the campaign, they had James Carville send out a trial balloon that she was very sensitive to terrorism because she was the New York Senator during 9/11, and that's why she voted for the Iraq War authorization. That did not work.

Bill Clinton just trotted that out again. Basically, this suggests some legitimacy to the Bush/Cheney line that there was a connection between 9/11 and voting for the Iraq War.

5. The Iran War vote. Alone among the Democratic Senators running for President, Hillary Clinton voted for the Bush/Cheney resolution declaring the Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. Others rightly worried that such a declaration might provide George Bush the pretext for launching another war. She did not appear to be sufficiently chastened by her vote for the Iraq War resolution so as to avoid providing Bush/Cheney a pretext for another war.

In last night's debate, she said she would want her vote back. Does she apologize to the American people? Edwards did.


 
 

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Paul: Thanks so much for actually responding to posts. How many bloggers on HuffPost actually do that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 02/28/2008

What continues to be amazing is the obvious projection of the Bush policy onto the Clintons. Obama supporters do seem to enjoy an amazing editorial license vacant from media scrutiny.

1. Hillary has moved her position closer to Obama's, has a better plan of which Obama is now repeating as his own.
2. Obama and his supporters attempt to demonstrate how high the stakes were regarding his speech during the campaign against Alan Keyes is an amazing statement. What a bald face mischaracterization during the debate! For anyone paying attention Alan Keyes moved from Washington at the last minute in order to contest an uncontested seat.
3. A speech is not the same as a vote.

Finally based upon the numerous blunders in foreign policy on Obama"s part it only makes sense he may have been just lucky with the speech since he has demonstrated little in actions to back it up

Obama"s cavalier statement on foreign policy was to meet anyone without precondition, plans, advance diplomacy or goals. Rightfully Hillary called him out. The stretch to defend Obama is a losing argument and will be an issue with his electability against McCain. Barack has rightfully tried to move his position much closer to Hillary"s original position, about a month later.

It is obvious that Hillary possesses magnitudes more knowledge of the world than Barack, besides pure national and global experience. The Obama campaign and supporters attempt to spin Barack as just as good, or different is not working. The negative approach by the Obama campaign only brings Hillary and the party down as they attack.

Hillary has spoken out for woman"s rights in China a key ally of North Korea, and already knows many leaders all over the world. She knows all of the players in the Middle East. The Clintons were respected globally and all looked up to the USA. The world that Hillary was part of building, Obama claims he would create.

In some of her recent oversight activities, navy commanders were impressed with her recall of a skirmish in that area during the Clinton presidency. Her knowledge put everyone both at ease that she could be trusted and on their toes given her command of the issues. Obama has not held oversight in Afghanistan despite his role on the committee. OK so he admits he will not be ready on day one, but 2007 has already passed and it is now almost March and no oversight yet. To enact change you must know at least a little first hand content and knowledge, especially since he readily admits that he does not have the experience.

We need to get a bit serious for a second. Obama has made blunders, a rookie mistakes. A month later, he has changed his opinion and now supports diplomacy and preparations in advance, closer Hillary already said and knows. Whatever you think about this, it is definitely not Presidential.

Nixon"s visits to Russia and China were preceded with a significant mount of pre-work to ensure success. The comparison is invalid. One of Reagan"s early meetings with Russia was a PR disaster because the meeting was premature

Some attempt to link Jack Kennedy"s youth to Obama, although he possessed significantly more national experience than Obama. He was immediately tested, as should be expected and known, and almost started WWIII.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 02/28/2008

I am afraid that your post contains a number of misstatements.
For the record, let us be clear that my article was solely focused on CLINTON's record on Iraq. I did not include literally years of being the most uncritical of the war's supporters, and even statements about timetables for withdrawal being wrong.

The whole issue of meeting enemies--and saying this went wrong, this went right--is meaningless.

The ONLY person in the race, on either side, who really had direct diplomatic experience was Richardson. The person with the greatest foreign policy knowledge was Biden. Neither Clinton nor Obama could match either for either experience.

Clinton promises a foreign policy that returns to the patterns established after WWII, and broken by Bush/Cheney. Good or bad, she will not go beyond that. Obama offers a fresh approach.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 02/28/2008

Hi Paul, thanks for responding. To your point, I gave credit to Obama for moving his position on the meet with enemies comment closer to Hillary"s. Hillary has moved her position closer to Obamas on the war and I feel she has a better plan to get out. Things change over the years. Heck things change every day. To pin Hillary"s vote against Obamas speech I still feel is not equivalent, especially since she has changed her position for sometime now.

You are correct that the only candidate that worked in an official diplomatic capacity is Richardson and I agree that Biden has more foreign policy experience that just about anyone. However drilling down there is no argument that Hillary has monumentally more National and Global knowledge than Obama. As first lady, her unofficial diplomatic status cannot be honestly denigrated given how much time she spent overseas, how many leaders she met and how many countries she visited representing the United States. It is hard to argue she did not also carry a diplomatic agenda.

Finally, I am not so sure you do not prove my point that many Obama supporters seem to be projecting their views of Bush onto Hillary. It is clever politically, but to think that Hillary is not much closer to McCarthy or McGovern than Nixon is amazing. Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc were all Nixon cronies and frankly are at the root of Bush policy.

I believe the evidence of the positive Clinton record in foreign affairs and global cooperation betrays the WWII argument. This was definitely not a WWII model, and there is every reason to believe that Hillary provides a fresh capability to promote real change all over the world. I do believe the worldview that Obama seeks is a lot more like the world during the Clinton Administration. This along with an updating of policy I believe makes Clinton the better candidate on forging affairs and the war.

We may agree to disagree, but I am thrilled you responded to my post!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 02/29/2008

Taylor Marsh, is that you?...

For your information, Alan Keyes was only put on the Republican ticket in Illinois in 2004 when nobody else could be found who dared to run against Obama. Yet Obama's speech was in 2002.

Also, Obama never said that he would meet with America's enemies without plan or preparation. Only that he would not create conditions so hi that talks were impossible to begin with.

Whatever you say about Hillary's vastly superior knowledge of the world (that's why she could not pronounce the name of the future Russian president???), what has she actually accomplished? You say she has "spoken out" for women's rights etc. Speeches??? Isn't that what Hillary supporters criticize about Obama?

Your statement that Obama made rookie mistakes is wishful thinking. In fact, the U.S. military recently did precisely what Obama said they should do: take out Al Qaeda leaders in Pakistan when they can. He was proven right.

But all of this is a sideshow. The elephant in the room remains: Hillary was on the wrong side of history in the most important foreign policy decision of her time. Period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 02/28/2008

Thanks for the response. Facts are a drag¦

The spin that Obama's protest against the war was politically risky is incorrect.

Obama has clarified his position on meeting with world leaders and moved closer to Hillary's original view, one month later.

To create an issue on the pronunciation of the new Russian president name is silly. Besides few can pronounce it, the question was a toss up and Russert himself did not want to risk trying to say the name on national TV. Obama, as he has done so often is the debates, just looked at Hillary because he was not going there. Whether Obama was smart, cowardly or lacked leadership of course is unimportant. The real issue was after Hillary opined, Obama had nothing to add, another common occurrence in the debates and just said I agree with whatever Hillary said.

When Obama starts cherry picking to defend his position by equating them to the Bush Administration actions to justify a blunder is rich. He just wants to have it both ways.

Characterizing the Clinton Iraq vote as a blunder is correct and she would like it back. Of course as President, and with a democratic congress she would not only have all of the facts, she would know what exactly to do with the correct information on day one.

Should Obama reject the support of all other Democrats who also voted for the measure? Maybe he should ask all the others who made the same vote to support Hillary instead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 02/28/2008

Interesting that 21 Democratic senators voted against the Iraq Resolution. They appear to have had the good judgment Clinton still lacks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 02/28/2008

Less Talk Make it Happen

When Obama was asked about why he had not hold hearing on NATO being more involved in Iraq, given that he sits on the foreign affairs committee (for European region which NATO troops are from). He said that he was campaigning!! Good judgment!

Just like he did not make it to the Black State of the union event in New Orleans he was busy campaigning ! Good judgment !!

Political ambition should be balanced with taking action.
Reminds me of the RBS (Royal Scottish Bank) Ad on TV " Less talk " make it happen!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 02/27/2008

Exactly. You summed up perfectly in five simple, substantiated points why I can't trust Hillary Clinton. She has poor judgment, she lies to cover it, and then she lies to get you to trust her again.


No one died when Bill Clinton lied, but how many will because Hillary did?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 02/27/2008

Oh what a terrible web we weave, when first we triangulate to deceive...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 02/27/2008

Priceless!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 02/27/2008

Any educated person, upon hearing any American president say that we are going to war for freedom and democracy, should immediately become skeptical. Every time in history, it has been a lie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 02/27/2008

I have often thought and said any vote that Hillay makes is to give her "support" for the presidential run. I knew when they bought a house in New York she was following again in the footsteps of George W. he bought the "ranch" when he decided he could probably win in Texas. Since then his phoney Texan accent and costume have made people believe he was truly a Texan by birth. But back to Hillary. Her votes were very safe with the exception of when she wanted to appear like the men in command to show she was made of steel or some such crap. All a definite showing of what she would run on later. I seriously doubt she gave New York much thought beyond using them to get where she is today. Will she win in New York again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 02/27/2008

I remember when I first heard that she was running for Senator of New York. My first thought was, "I bet she's planning to run for President someday." And when the people of New York elected her despite the fact that she had never lived there and was obviously using it as a stepping stone for a Presidential campaign, I lost all respect for them as a people. How could so many people be tricked so easily? My hope is that Hillary will not only not win the nomination this year, but also lose her Senate seat in 2012 to someone who really does care about New York. That would be a fitting end to such a transparent opportunist. 2012 should prove interesting though. If Obama wins this year's nomination and loses to McCain, will Hillary run in 2012? Will she pull a Joe Lieberman and run for Senate too? What if she doesn't run for Senate but runs for President and either doesn't get the nomination or gets it, but loses in the general election? What a way to end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 02/27/2008

There are three possible explanations for why she voted the way she did.

1) She was afraid of looking weak on national security. If true, then she has no business being President. Anyone who would put our troops in harm's way for the sake of their image isn't fit to be commander-in-chief.

2) She genuinely believed Bush wouldn't invade. If that's true, then she's just stupid. A lot of us who didn't have access to the NIE knew the WMD claims were bogus. Do we really want a President who's dumb enough to be tricked by George Bush?

3) She wanted to invade Iraq because AIPAC wanted it. This would be the worst reason of all. One of the many reasons I refuse to support her for President is because she's another Joe Lieberman, someone who's more concerned with the Israel Lobby than with what's best for America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 02/27/2008

Clinton said she believed President Bush would really try to pass a UN resolution and would try to avoid war.

October 10, 2002
Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq

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Some people favor attacking Saddam Hussein now, with any allies we can muster
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However, this course is fraught with danger. We and our NATO allies did not depose Mr. Milosevic, who was responsible for more than a quarter of a million people being killed in the 1990s. Instead, by stopping his aggression in Bosnia and Kosovo, and keeping on the tough sanctions, we created the conditions in which his own people threw him out and led to his being in the dock being tried for war crimes as we speak.
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Others argue that we should work through the United Nations and should only resort to force if and when the United Nations Security Council approves it.
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But there are problems with this approach as well. The United Nations is an organization that is still growing and maturing. It often lacks the cohesion to enforce its own mandates.
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Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible.

Because bipartisan support for this resolution makes success in the United Nations more likely, and therefore, war less likely, and because a good faith effort by the United States, even if it fails, will bring more allies and legitimacy to our cause, I have concluded, after careful and serious consideration, that a vote for the resolution best serves the security of our nation. If we were to defeat this resolution or pass it with only a few Democrats, I am concerned that those who want to pretend this problem will go way with delay will oppose any UN resolution calling for unrestricted inspections.

This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction.
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I want this President, or any future President, to be in the strongest possible position to lead our country in the United Nations or in war. Secondly, I want to insure that Saddam Hussein makes no mistake about our national unity and for our support for the President's efforts to wage America's war against terrorists and weapons of mass destruction. And thirdly, I want the men and women in our Armed Forces to know that if they should be called upon to act against Iraq, our country will stand resolutely behind them.

My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose
..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 02/27/2008

Her vote should have been for the Levin Amendment--that did everything she said she favored, and did it perfectly. She voted AGAINST it.

"I want this President" (George Bush, that's whom she "wants" to be in the strongest position!!) to be in the strongest possible position to lead our country in the United Nations "OR IN WAR".

Now, there's a great judgment for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 AM on 02/28/2008

"vote that may lead to war." That about say it all. It was not a declaration of war. It's the height of sleaziness for one dem to try and pin the war on a fellow dem, when we know exactly who is responsible. And it's not any democrat. This is Bush's war, plain and simple. To willingly denigrate the democratic party for personal political gain is deplorable.
Again, they were lied to. Rice was spouting images of mushroom clouds and poisonous gas, etc. It was not even a full year after the worst terrorist attack in US history.
We were told that the invasion would last, "...six days, six weeks, but I doubt six months." We were told that the invasion would not cost any more than 85 billion, and that Iraqi oil revenues would pay for reconstruction. We were told it would be a cakewalk and the Iraqis would greet us as liberators...etc.
If you are an Obama supporter, fine. But why do you feel the need to denigrate a fellow democrat, and by proxy, the democratic party as a whole? We all know damn well who's war this is, and to falsley and unjustly pin it on a fellow dem is despicable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 02/27/2008

Enough with the false choices. There's plenty of blame to go around. Bush led the drumbeat for war. But many of the Democrats did nothing to stop him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 02/28/2008

I am not "pinning" the war on Hillary Clinton, or the other Dems. Of course this is Bush/Cheney and radical rightwing's war. But, certain Dems did get it wrong ("lied to" is a more persuasive argument if she had read the NIE), and, in Hillary's case, she has not apologized. Last night, for the first time, she directly admitted it was a mistake.

"Vote that may lead to war" you say is not a declaration of war. But, it is a clear acknowledgement that she was casting a vote for far more than intrusive inspections, and handing to Bush/Cheney the judgment as to whether to go to war or not.

As indicated in the article, the Levin Amendment would have been her perfect vehicle and would have been wholly consistent with her subsequent statements. She voted AGAINST IT.

Regarding the time after 9/11, leaders are supposed to act with prudence, not petulance. If your argument is that she was still upset over 9/11, so am I--to this day. Bush dropped the ball, as he did on Katrina, and lots of other matters. But, I would think you would want to focus on the perpertrators, and not go attack someone else.

I have my own thoughts as to her motives, only the person herself can actually know. Thus, I do not speculate.


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 02/27/2008

Thank you, thank you Mr. Abrams. As a middle-aged white woman trying to explain to similar friends wanting to write me off as "Oh, you're just a Hillary-hater," I have gone over and over this material and analysis, and it's the not-making-sense, as in she's just lying, that sticks in my craw.

Hillary made much of being a hard worker early in the campaign, yet she suddenly had a lazy attack when it came to the NIE? Where do we find a model for evading unwanted information? The Bush White House. It's called "plausible deniability." (Hey, Dick, you see a Valerie Plame memo on the plane with us? Heck no, George, I didn't see nothin!)(Condi, you see that Clarke memo? Gee, no, what's a Clarke?)(Anybody see something sayin' Al Quaeda determined to attack US? Holy cow, George , we woulda done somethin' about that!)

So why did Hillary vote the way she did? I wish you'd shared more of your thinking on that. In the jingoistic mania of the time, a vote for war was actually the safe, cowardly vote. If the Democratic Party somehow loses its mind and nominates Hillary, it has always been my intention to write in "Barbara Lee."

But, to do Hillary justice, I don't actually believe she is weak, so I lean toward the argument that she was positioning herself to run for president and wanted to build her public testosterone rating. Ironic, isn't it, that for all the boosting as the first viable female presidential candidate, lookin' like a man has been a driving motive in her image-making.

But cynically using a vote for war as campaign strategy is plenty ugly enough to motivate the lies.

Unfortunately (the ironies just multiply) national security hysteria has been overtaken, too soon for her, by economic dysfunction with many of its roots in her
husband's policies.

Meanwhile, in another fit of Bush imitation, Hillary has refused to admit error, stayed the course, and continues to brag she's not a quitter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 02/27/2008

Well put indeed.

By most standards of conventional thinking, voting yes in 2002 was the safe choice, the one least likely to cause political trouble for a candidacy for president.

However I don't think that she was only betrayed by Bush's incompetence. Going on a unilateral war was not a good idea badly executed, it was a bad idea to begin with. Hillary had a chance to really show visionary leadership. But she chose to play it safe, or at least she went for what looked like the safe choice at the time.

So she proved herself neither competent (reading the NIE) nor visionary (seeing the pernicious consequences of unilateral war).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 02/28/2008

Great comment! The ironies multiply indeed..

Well here's another one:
When you think about it Hillary's decision to support the war was a smart one. If you compare the industrial capacities of Iraq to the US, the sophistication and quality of the armed forces, the use of economic sanctions and the explicit support from the UK, Turkey, Israel and NATO. I mean how could they lose??!!

Unfortunately for her didn't count for the sheer incompetence and spite of the Bush administration and it's Rovian tactics against the Military high command.

The irony here is that she has been failed by two men, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. Both just had to show a little bit of focus and everything would've been different. I mean it's simply hilarious!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 02/27/2008

She voted for the war to prove she was tough. The thing of it is, if she'd really been tough she wouldn't have been afraid of looking soft.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 02/27/2008

I think you've hit the nail on the head, Fearless. It occurred to me at the time (as I held my hands to my head reminiscent of Munch's The Scream) that her vote was meant to be part of her presidential dowry. It was her "I'm tough" vote and, to be fair, she was in the majority at a time when it was still inconceivable that a President would lie the nation into an unnecessary war. Her chance for redemption came with the Kyl-Lieberman resolution -- but she voted to amp up hostilities between the US and Iran instead of taking a stand against a rogue administration. Nothing she's done or said since has mitigated those votes in my view.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 02/27/2008

What a pity that the first viable female candidate for the presidency has turned out to be such a dissembler, and such a denier of her own actions.

As hopeless277 says, her current problems have little to do with her gender or unimportant facets of her personality picked on by the corporate media - the issue is her clear record of support for a war that she now sees as a liability, and which she is trying to back away from. This might have worked if it wasn't for the inconvenient, verifiable, truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 02/27/2008

It seems obvious that her votes were to keep her in good stead with AIPAC and the other right wing zionist crazies.
Now she has to dodge and weave to avoid appearing to be a warmonger herself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 02/27/2008

I'm a political woman. First, I'm moving to the right, then I'm moving to the left. Too late, it seems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 02/27/2008

It was a time of innocence. A time when we believed in the honor of the Presidency. How naive we were. How foolish she was.


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 02/27/2008

It was "innocence" in the negative sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 02/27/2008

"Moreover, as Bush was moving to war there was nary a word of protest from Senator Hillary Clinton that she had not meant to authorize it. There is a good reason for that: she had and she wanted that known. She cast that vote "with conviction"."

Not only that, but she enthusiastically supported Bush's decision in and around the time of the invasion, as demonstrated by such occasions as her meeting with members of CodePink on the eve of the Iraqi War, in which she literally exploded at one of the members, hollering, "I am the senator from New York and I will NOT put the American people's security at risk!!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 02/27/2008

Her votes for war against Iraq and Iran were calculated to insure that she would look like the great commander in chief she dreams she is but they have backfired and now her primary timed conversion against the war is seen as insincere by intelligent democrats and independents. Only her hardcore dwindling base have deluded themselves that she is not a hawk who supported Bush, Cheney and Lieberman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 02/27/2008

"[p.s. In tonight's debate she said her Iraq vote was a mistake and would like to have it back."

Does anyone have the exact quote of this? My recollection (and I was listening specifically for "mistake") was that she "regrets" that vote, and wishes she could take it back. I never heard "mistake".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 02/27/2008

One more thing, would you mind sending this article to Taylor Marsh? It might explain some things to her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 02/27/2008

I shall. Thank you.