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Infrastructure Question to Right-wing: If Not Now, When? If Not Government, Who?

Posted: 10/02/11 04:26 PM ET

There are climate-change deniers, evolution-deniers, science-deniers, reality-deniers that are running rampant in our politics. Their day, it seems, has dawned, and there are many who have some prospect of becoming President of the United States.

Nonetheless, to my knowledge, there are no infrastructure-deniers. That is, no one is claiming that we do not have $2.2 Trillion backlog of road, rail, bridge, dam, water, sewage, school repairs/replacements that need to be done.

The President has proposed a rather modest start to that rebuilding agenda, and the right-wing opposes it.

So, let us say that the right-wing takes over the presidency and both Houses of Congress in 2012.

What happens then to our nation's infrastructure? Will they let it continue to deteriorate? If not, who is going to rebuild it? With what money? Will grandma have to make a choice between having a road to the hospital she cannot afford to use, or having a hospital she can afford but no road to get there?

Will they continue to oppose the government spending on infrastructure after President Obama is defeated? Or, will that spending, now magically, become, as Lloyd Blankfein described Goldman Sachs, "god's work"? Where will the money come from? When our children's education falls further behind world competition, is the right-wing suddenly going to embrace immigration?

At the next Republican debate fiasco, why not put the infrastructure question to them, what are they going to do about it if they become President? [And, when Ron Paul asserts the free market will handle it, ask him for the evidence to prove it.]

 

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BBackSoon
Hello, I must be going.
05:26 PM on 10/03/2011
They don't deny we need the repairs, they will just argue we can't afford them. Simple as that.
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nypapajoe
11:18 AM on 10/03/2011
There are political corruption deniers, who are rabid defenders of the right wing rich corrupting our politics and spewing propaganda that business de-regulations and less federal oversight is the answer to our nations economic calamity! Yet we have recent revelations that Charles and David Koch, Billionaire Brothers and major tea Party Backers, run a corporate empire that has made illicit payments to win contracts, sold chemical equipment to Iran in defiance of a U.S. trade ban, stolen oil on federal land and lied to regulators about toxic emissions.
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11:03 AM on 10/03/2011
Who needs roads and bridges? I thought all republican voters owned private planes and helicopters?
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PatWard
model for Rodin
12:50 AM on 10/05/2011
They don't yet, but they think it's just a matter of time.
10:18 AM on 10/03/2011
A serious program of reckless austerity will kill the economy for a decade or more but right wing governments around the world don't understand this or simply don't care.
08:24 AM on 10/03/2011
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8894520/ns/politics/t/bush-signs-billion-highway-bill/

Bush signs $286.4 billion highway bill
Legislation includes funding for 6,371 pet projects; Alaska a big winner

updated 8/10/2005 8:31:54 PM ET

MONTGOMERY, Ill — President Bush, saying it will help economic growth, on Wednesday signed a whopping $286.4 billion transportation bill that lawmakers lined with plenty of cash for some 6,000 pet projects back home.

With fanfare, Bush signed the more than 1,000-page highway bill into law at a plant operated by Caterpillar Inc., which makes road-building equipment. For the president, it was his second trip away from his Texas ranch this week to highlight recently passed legislation.

"If we want people working in America, we got to make sure our highways and roads are modern," Bush said. "We've got to bring up this transportation system into the 21st century."

"I mean, you can't expect your farmers to be able to get goods to market if we don't have a good road system," he said. "You can't expect to get these Caterpillar products all around the United States if we don't have a good road system."

(This was the largest spending bill in history until ARRA)
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Paul Abrams
10:04 AM on 10/03/2011
You mean a bill can be 1000 pages long and be created and passed by a Republican Congress and signed by a Republican President! Why shiver-me-timbers!! I thought that President Obama had 'invented' bills that were longer than 7 pages for the first time. It's back to the 8th grade to re-learn my American history...
10:20 AM on 10/03/2011
I mean republicans did pass a huge infrastructure bill, which is contrary to the facts in the article.

How'd that infrastructure spending turn out? Within 2 years, the economy took a dump.

And what does your comment have to do with the price of a bridge to nowhere in Alaska?
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Lisa Shields
Poet & Advocate For Special Needs Children
07:50 AM on 10/03/2011
I am always interested in the infrastructure, for that is the area where we have been failing for the last 30 years. We stopped thinking ahead, planning for repairs and refurbishment. We elected officials focused on the here and now...who plan to be elsewhere in five years, so they really don't give a hang what will happen down the road. When sinkholes started showing up in cities, we were shocked. When an entire span collapsed due to neglect, we were appalled. Crews went out and graded bridges all over the country, and returned with failing grades for a number of major roads...all predictable.

We cannot pave roads as citizen volunteers.
We can't protect commerce with roads and bridges in disrepair.
We CAN understand that funding and maintaining the infrastructure is an investment in a more stable future for out people...or we can ignore it...and pay three times as much for a band-aid fix when something blows.

It's not rocket science, people...just reality.
12:33 AM on 10/03/2011
Clearly Paul Abrams loses credibility points here, while flexing a political bias. When his entire article is summed up with a low blow to Ron Paul, we can be sure Abrams is in full blown agenda mode. Regardless of Abrams political followings, he should at least get his facts straight if he is going to attack a doctor/congressman/presidential candidate. Ron Paul believes that infrastructure IS the governmnets responsibility. ROn Paul is not against government. He is against the federal government doing anything unconstitutional, and he is for taking the power from federal government and giving it BACK to the state, so that the people will have more control. Get to understand the entire concept of the congressman before you mash up seperate ROn Paul points together and form a misguided attack. How did humans survive all these centuries before the all powerful federal government came in to teach us right from wrong? LOL The earth is getting warmer, except where it's getting colder!lol It rained on rocks, then later came humans! LOL Science??? LOL
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Paul Abrams
02:05 AM on 10/03/2011
My intent was not to focus on Ron Paul, I mentioned it only because one knows his canned responses, and I have never heard him provide any evidence that what he says (eg. the gold standard, leaving almost everything to the free market, virtually no regulations, etc) works to achieve the ends he claims.
Ron Paul's statements on the Constitution seem more like an argument against it, than for it. He believes that we gained our independence from Britain, and then formed the Constitution soon thereafter. We didn't. In between, came the loose federation under "The Articles of Confederation", where nearly all power was in the states. It did not work, even then. The Constitutional Convention was held to AMEND the Articles, but the delegates realized they needed a new document that granted more power to the central government. The powers of Congress include taxing for the general welfare; and to make all laws necessary and proper to carry out the above powers. The 10th Amendment, by design, omitted the word "expressly" from its language as that was used in the Articles, and found to be a major barrier to collective action.
Finally, Ron Paul treats the Federal Government as if it were an absolute monarchy as was Britain when we revolted. It isn't. Our elected representatives are empowered to act collectively for the good of all. If you don't want them to do something,,,fine. But, just because you don't like it, does not make it unconstitutional.
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hstdem
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10:19 AM on 10/03/2011
Bravo!
09:31 PM on 11/17/2011
You just got face rolled.
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GeorgeBurnsWasRight
My micro-bio is running on empty.
12:00 AM on 10/03/2011
I think you're missing the real issue. Many conservatives want the government to sell the roads and bridges to private enterprise. Hedge funds and other large business are lusting after the opportunity to own our nation's roads, charging everyone tolls to drive on them. It's basically a monopoly with a great profit, especially if they can force the states and feds to sell the roads at a cheap price because they're in a lot of financial difficulty.
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Paul Abrams
10:05 AM on 10/03/2011
But who is going to build and repair them in the first place?!?!?!
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Lynwood Walker
12:14 PM on 10/03/2011
I don't believe they actually care to repair roads. America's economic development was based on slavery that reduced labour costs to nearly 0. When slavery was eliminated, cheap labour was imported from Europe, to maximise the profit margins.. However, capitalist have no interest in creating jobs, as demonstrated by the recent push for tax subsidies for companies to upgrade to automated manufacturing process and for changes in patent laws to first to file. The oligarch have concluded that a reasonable level of technological development has occurred for them to sit on their aggregated wealth. The new goal, is to aggregate what remaining wealth was distributed to workers. Globalisation is the new feudalism essentially. By getting most Americans to move to the suburbs, then using the mortgage crisis to aggregate ownership of huge amounts of land within the banks, and finally allowing roads to decay, they hope to return most of the country to the egalitarian model that best fits a nation of extreme wealth disparity. They are perfectly content to get around with private helicopters, as oligarchs in Brazil do. With the fall of the Soviets, they no longer fear a counterbalancing economic ideology could sway a disaffected population. This is why the social contract is being rolled back, college education has transformed into a debt trap, and we are seeing such a surge in fascist political policies in both parties, from a corporate health care mandate to the weakening of the EPA. This is all by design.
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Si1ver1ock
So long, and thanks for all the fish...
09:47 PM on 10/02/2011
Some great points here. I really like the idea of getting some of our question into the debates. Maybe if we find out who questioners are we could send them two or three questions we would like to have asked. Infrastructure is good and maybe Free Trade.

As to how Republicans will change course on spending, they will likely start a war and claim anyone who doesn't support them is unpatriotic.
07:38 PM on 10/02/2011
Paul,

Ron Paul has stated many, many times that we should spend money on our own infrastructure rather than bombing and rebuilding other coutries' infrastructure. Look it up.
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Paul Abrams
12:57 AM on 10/03/2011
But, if we are engaged in military action, then he won't spend it?
You also have stated whether Ron Paul believes that if we weren't spending money on military adventures that the GOVERNMENT should spend that money on infrastructure, or whether he expects the private sector to do it. Again, just askin'.
01:58 PM on 10/03/2011
Paul,

If elected, the Ron Paul would immediately end the undeclared wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Yemen. He would bring the troops home and start closing the 900 military bases that the USA has spread all over the world. The only way that Congress coud block him would be to declare war. Congress has not done that since World War 2. So no one would stop Ron Paul on those aspects of foreign policy. And the world would change on day one of his presidency, if not on the day that he is elected.

As far as what he means by spending the money here, why not ask the campaign.

At any rate, Ron Paul is the only candidate who knows how to find money to get anything done. Everyone else, Obama and Republicans included, would borrow from China and expect our children somehow to repay it.
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DiogenesOfAlaska
Mitt Romney for president - of the Cayman islands!
07:17 PM on 10/02/2011
No, Ron Paul isn't an infrastructure denier.

But he's a tragedy of the commons denier. A prisoner dilemma's denier. A collective action problem's denier.

In short: he's a flat-earther, economically speaking.

And he will fall off the edge of that flat earth. I am quite sure of that.
12:52 AM on 10/03/2011
So I take it your really into special interests, and not so much the big picture. Who cares that Ron Paul is not your favorite economist. The fact is, he WILL end the federal Reserve, thus making America a nation free from political manipulation in the marketplace, and at the same end the absurd fact that we owe INTEREST and principal to fed for every dollar created. The free market will rejoice and prosper, big corporations and their lobbyists will be at the whim of a real federal budget, thus greatly decreasing Americas wasteful liabilities and creating an environment that businesses can compete in without government intervention. The down side is that we will all have to face the fact that our government has been spending the money of our cildrens children, to pay for today. You can only have a sound economy if the books are truly balanced without IMF inflation/deflation. Sorry, it's a big topic, hope I explained it correctly.
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DiogenesOfAlaska
Mitt Romney for president - of the Cayman islands!
02:44 AM on 10/03/2011
Even if it would make sense to stop the creation of fiat money, Ron Paul would still not understand that economic or financial might may not make right.

Your free-market vision is a fiction report from a thought experiment. It's disconnect from reality is matched only by the communist's claim that deep in our hearts, we all know that all it takes to achieve paradise on earth would be to stop people from making money.
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Sue McFarland
05:49 AM on 10/03/2011
Jeeze. Please go back and study U.S. economic history--please! The Federal Reserve Board was established for two reasons: to even out the business cycle so the least number of people would get hurt by the cycle and so that no one man could influence the U.S. economy like J.P. Morgan (and others of his ilk, but it was specifically designed with Mr. Morgan in mind) to a significant degree. And with the exception of the Great Depression (which happened only 12 years or so after the Fed's founding), it has done a remarkable job of keeping the economy "on track"--up to 2008, that is.

Later on, Congress (both parties, I might add) added to the Fed's mandate/charter to monitor unemployment through it's particular policies.

Both rationals have been, for the most part, good for the economy in the long haul. It takes strong, politically courageous men (to date) like Paul Volker back in the late '70s/early 80s and current chairman Ben Bernake to steer the massive rudder that is the Fed to do the appropriate job.

Your contention the elimination of the Federal Reserve Board (or any other central bank, for that matter) is not born out by historical fact. Please present factual history for your contention; otherwise, at least with me, you have no credibility and demonstrate your ignorance of economic history (there is a "cure"--it's called education, be it traditional or self taught.)
IMOPINIONH8D
because I want it empty...
06:09 PM on 10/02/2011
What will the rightwing do if they get in power again? They'll spend to fix infrastructure and blame Obama for the condition that things are in.
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Paul Abrams
12:58 AM on 10/03/2011
Magically, it will become "god's work", right?
IMOPINIONH8D
because I want it empty...
08:01 AM on 10/03/2011
I'm sure they will be able to work the great rightwinger in the skies name in there somewhere. Everyone of them has god on speed dial.Maybe thats where they get their daily talking points.
01:08 AM on 10/03/2011
You took the words right out of my mouht..That's just what they would do & then, tax the poor again since there isnt a middle class anymore..
Thanks for posting..I too voice my opinion like you...Good job
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04:44 PM on 10/02/2011
Ask for the evidence to prove it? REALLY?!?!? They're called TOLL ROADS, thousands of them all over the country, all working just fine. with our advances in technology, cheap plate detectors could be put everywhere and we could pay for just the infrastructure we use.
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Paul Abrams
01:00 AM on 10/03/2011
And where does the money come from to pay for the roads and bridges in the first place??? I would also point out that the TOLL ROADS give money to the government to pay for the bonds floated to raise the money for the bridge or road, and also that it does not seem to be sufficient or all these roads and bridges would not be crumbling.
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dadw5boys
Disabled Vietnam Vet
04:18 PM on 10/02/2011
Grandma is not going to get to make that choice. The laws in place now are dorcing Grandma into Nursing Homes if they have any Equity at all in their homes. Even if Grandma says no I do not want to go and give her Child a Power of Attorney the Laws turn against the Child then making them Liable for injuries or at least scaring the pants off of them.
Grandma can shout to the rafters that she will stay in her home till he dies and is not worried about falling or dieing alone. Her voice is being taken away.
03:55 PM on 10/02/2011
Just think of the trickle up when they get interest on all the bonds floated to fund these projects, and the newly-enwealthened spend money at their pizza chains.