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Key Iowa Issue: Ethanol Subsidies. Where Do Republican Candidates Stand?

Posted: 12/27/11 05:07 PM ET

One way to avoid discussing a key issue for Iowa voters is to make such over-the-top statements about other matters that the issue is never joined.

Republicans seem to have succeeded. In the circus masquerading as the Republican Iowa caucus, there has been nary a word about ethanol subsidies, a major issue for Iowans.

But, where do these budget-cutting, waste-fraud-abuse claiming, shrinking-government demanding, laissez-faire extolling candidates stand on ethanol subsidies? The subsidies have been around a long, long time. It is now clear that ethanol from corn is not efficient and competes with corn's use in food. Very few environmentalists, very few energy-independence proponents, of whatever political stripe, from Grover Norquist to Al Gore, believe we should continue to invest in ethanol from corn.

Before they "escape" Iowa, the media should get clear statements from each Republican candidate about what they will do about ethanol subsidies. It is not sufficient to say that they would eliminate them in the context of a big budget-cutting scheme. All budgets, big and small, have priorities.

Which Republican candidate would take the knife to ethanol subsidies as one of the first expenditures to be eliminated in any budget-cutting exercise?

Iowa voters, and the nation, are entitled to know. The press ought to be forcing them to answer the question precisely.

And, they are entitled to know NOW, before the votes are cast, and before the candidates can escape Iowa, and thus the accountability of their views to the electorate.

Mitt? Newt? Rick? Rick? Michele? Jon?* Pray, tell us.

*(we know Ron Paul's position -- he's against. Jon Huntsman is not competing in Iowa).

 

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One way to avoid discussing a key issue for Iowa voters is to make such over-the-top statements about other matters that the issue is never joined. Republicans seem to have succeeded. In the circus ...
One way to avoid discussing a key issue for Iowa voters is to make such over-the-top statements about other matters that the issue is never joined. Republicans seem to have succeeded. In the circus ...
 
 
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07:33 AM on 12/31/2011
The subsidies are done now anyway. This would be a pointless question to ask them.

Ethanol now has a chance to prove it can stand on its own two feet. Let's see how it does.
12:25 PM on 12/29/2011
ethanol is a superior fuel for internal combusion engines....113 octane....NASCAR uses it....INDYCAR uses it....but we export most of our ethanol to other countries who put it in their gasoline because the fossil fuel fas*cists/republicans in this country continue to block its use here....
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Moose Luck 99
Rand Paul is a LIAR!
11:33 AM on 12/29/2011
How we can make ethanol for 2.00 a gallon!
Add 15% gas to that and it will compensate for the lower MPG of E-85.

Biofuels: Thinking Outside the Barrel
Why a positive energy future could be closer than you think
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/energy/biofuels-thinking-outside-the-barrel.html
04:55 PM on 12/28/2011
My favorite quote from the Foreign Affairs article "The New Petroleum" follows, "a simple comparison of energy content reveals that a dry ton of biomass crops—$40 is a reasonable current average cost—is comparable to oil at $10-13 a barrel. Agricultur­al wastes, in many cases, are considerab­ly cheaper than either: many are free or have negative cost. So the overall costs of cellulosic biomass are likely to at least be in the same ballpark as those of crude oil."

Of course, this was written at a time when a barrel of oil was around $30. So, let me say this -- a bone dry ton of biomass has the same energy as a barrel of oil. OK, so at $40 a bone dry ton for industrial hemp stalks is equal to petroleum at $10-13 a barrel!

Link to Foreign Affairs "The New Petroleum" article on the following page:

http://www.globalhemp.com/2000/06/after-oil-fuel-from-the-farms.html
01:45 PM on 12/28/2011
My favorite quote from the Foreign Affairs article "The New Petroleum" follows, "a simple comparison of energy content reveals that a dry ton of biomass crops—$40 is a reasonable current average cost—is comparable to oil at $10-13 a barrel. Agricultural wastes, in many cases, are considerably cheaper than either: many are free or have negative cost. So the overall costs of cellulosic biomass are likely to at least be in the same ballpark as those of crude oil."

Of course, this was written at a time when a barrel of oil was around $30. So, let me say this -- a bone dry ton of biomass has the same energy as a barrel of oil. OK, so at $40 a bone dry ton for industrial hemp stalks is equal to petroleum at $10-13 a barrel!

More information on industrial hemp on the Global Hemp website located at http://www.globalhemp.com/
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Moose Luck 99
Rand Paul is a LIAR!
11:35 AM on 12/29/2011
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01:27 PM on 12/28/2011
OMG - I can actually say I agree with this column 100%. The first column on HUffPo to have me at Hello. lol
01:06 PM on 12/28/2011
This is the most ridiculous article I have read in a long time..the ethanol "subsidies" are already set to expire on Dec 31 ...in 3 days.

Besides it(VEETC) isn't an ethanol subsidy it is a Oil Subsidy..it is OIL that gets the blenders credit..not ethanol.
GoldEnergy
No "TEA" for me, please.
11:45 AM on 12/28/2011
Where is the outrage and demand for candidates to come clean on where they stand on the massive subsidies for oil?
http://www.evworld.com/syndicated/evworld_article_1018.cfm

Or the massive subsidies for nuclear power?
http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_and_global_warming/nuclear-power-subsidies-report.html

The ethanol subsidy goes away next year...this is already a non issue. Why don't we strip away subsidies for oil, gas & nuclear energy also?
11:29 AM on 12/28/2011
If ANY industry cannot compete in the open marketplace without Governmant help, it should fail...

Corn is a HORRIBLE source of fuel. It consumes much more in water than is viable, time to move past this failed experiment.
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Liberals Are Intolerant
fiscal conservative, social libertarian
11:14 AM on 12/28/2011
Yet another reason why Iowa and New Hampshire should not be picking our next president.
If you are not for corn subsidies, even counterproductive ones like ethanol, then you have no shot in IA. If you are for nuclear energy, you have no chance in NV because of yucca mtn.

Here is Al Gore, admitting he supported ethanol subsidies because he needed to get elected:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/23/al-gore-corn-ethanol-subsidies_n_787776.html
GoldEnergy
No "TEA" for me, please.
11:41 AM on 12/28/2011
The subsidies needed to make nuclear energy absolutely dwarf any subsidy for renewables (especially ethanol...its "subsidy" goes away with the new year).
http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_and_global_warming/nuclear-power-subsidies-report.html

BTW, the oil industry continues to get subsidized directly & indirectly on a massive scale as well.
http://www.evworld.com/syndicated/evworld_article_1018.cfm
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
03:04 PM on 12/28/2011
The founders were Locke liberals fighting against the Burke fiscally conservative 1000 richest families in the world and their multinationals and bribing of the British Empire.

You didn't know?
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Liberals Are Intolerant
fiscal conservative, social libertarian
04:26 PM on 12/28/2011
As a quasi-libertarian I am certainly familiar with Locke...and sympathize with his positions... but I fail to see how crop subsidies fall into the realm of discussion you have brought up here.
11:04 AM on 12/28/2011
The GOP is all against government subsidies - but yet when it comes to socialist government handouts, the GOP voters in Iowa are first in line. Subsidies for corn-based ethanol are an excellent example. As an efficient source of ethanol, corn is a sure fire loser. We would do much better getting fuel from switch grass or algae - which does not compete with food crops. But don't tell that to Iowa Republicans.

This again represents the hypocrisy of Iowa Republicans, and in fact the hypocrisy of the entire farm belt. "Socialsim for you is wrong, but I definitely want socialism for me. "
10:30 AM on 12/28/2011
The welfare hating, medicare hating, social security hating, education hating, science hating tax cuts for the rich loving Republicans have been talking and talking about how Iowa is a success story of laissez-faire capitalism when Iowan's are wallowing in Corporate Welfare money.

This is just one more sorry note in the long history of Republican hypocrisy.
accelerando
my micro-bio is empty
10:12 AM on 12/28/2011
All those "I hate government" folks in Iowa and the rest of Republicanland are just chomping at the bit to get government out of their lives: bye-bye farm price supports, ranching subsidies, rural electrification, subsidized postal service, flood and irrigation programs, cheap mining leases, the weather bureau, unprofitable airport support, and on and on. Let 'em get back to those good old days!
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Realist2011
beware false profits....
09:55 AM on 12/28/2011
My issue with ethanol is that it's inefficient. Subsidizing ethanol in any form, whether it's the "per gallon" subsidies, the "gas station" subsidies, just using it to mix with gasoline is a subsidy because we get lower gas mileage with the vehicle.

If we're going to use ethanol, let's at least be honest about it. First, put EPA mileage stickers on cars and trucks that clearly state the expected fuel mileage using 10%, 15% and 85% ethanol blends, since that's what we're running.

I have an older vehicle that will run 10%. I won't run 15% and I can't run 85%. If I'm going to subsidize ethanol at any level (manufacturing, building plants, any level at all) and then be forced to subsidize the manufacturers yet again via higher fuel prices (yes, if my car get less mpg on ethanol blends than on gasoline, at the same price as gasoline, I'm subsidizing the industry) then I'll just keep repairing my car.

The government is mandating the market's use of ethanol and the producers want to "lock in" their profits for the future by removing all other choices at the pump.
11:08 AM on 12/28/2011
Last year I bought a Honda Civic hybrid. I drove it up to Oregon, where gasoline has a 5 % ethanol mix. Both coming and going I got about 50 or more mph. (Yes, I calculated it very carefully.) So I suppose mileage depends on how you drive and what make of car you drive.

I do oppose ethanol from corn. It's horribly inefficient. Switch grass or alge are better alternatives.
GoldEnergy
No "TEA" for me, please.
11:19 AM on 12/28/2011
Lets be honest about the efficiency of ethanol and gasoline production. Ethanol is very efficient and gasoline production is very inefficient. Argonne National Laboratory proves so (as well as many others) as seen in the link below.

https://docs.google.com/a/chicagocleancities.org/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=Y2hpY2Fnb2NsZWFuY2l0aWVzLm9yZ3xjaGljYWdvY2xlYW5jaXRpZXMtb3JnfGd4OjRkMjdlMTk5NGIxMWM1NWI

BTW, your car will run perfectly fine on ethanol blends up to 50% without any modifications to the vehicle. Check out David Blume's Book and/or dvd at www.alcoholcanbeagas.com.
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ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
08:27 AM on 12/28/2011
"If Vermont held the first primary, we'd all be putting maple syrup in our gas tanks" -- Bill Maher