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Bring the Ryan Budget to a Vote

Posted: 04/ 6/11 03:06 PM ET

How many times does one need to say it before people who are supposed to have their fingers on the pulse of the country "get it"?

In February 2010, and again in August 2010 I urged both Houses -- when Democrats still controlled them -- to bring the Ryan budget to a vote. There would have been two possible outcomes: either Republicans vote for it and the battle can be joined by pointing to a specific vote by individual members; OR, Republicans vote against it, in which case it is revealed for its lack of seriousness and the entire party is exposed (once again) to be hypocrites.

I also urged the relevant committees to hold hearings. Big hearings. Televised hearings. Letting both policy experts and people from all walks of life who would be impacted by the Ryan budget testify. Build a record.

And, have the Congressional Budget Office and the Joint Committee on Taxation score it.

Then, bring it to a vote. Today, in part because the Democrats did not bring the Ryan budget to a vote before the midterms, and thus allowed Republicans to speak in vague generalities about cutting the deficit and failed to show what Republicans intended to do to the country, the Democrats control only the Senate -- and that only because Republicans ran some raving loonies in Delaware, Colorado and Nevada.

So, Senate Democrats were given a reprieve. Now, they need to bring the Ryan budget to a vote. Record carefully how each of the Republicans up for re-election in '12 and '14 votes. And then, challenge the House to do the same.

This year, bringing the Ryan budget to a vote also enables the president to get each one of his potential opponents on the record as to how they would have voted on it and, if passed, whether they, as president, would have signed it.

The Democratic campaign committees (DNC, DCCC, DSCC) send a constant barrage of solicitations for money.

But, why should anyone send them money if they do not adopt the simplest, costless strategy to shine klieg lights on why electing Democrats is so important?

 
How many times does one need to say it before people who are supposed to have their fingers on the pulse of the country "get it"? In February 2010, and again in August 2010 I urged both Houses -- whe...
How many times does one need to say it before people who are supposed to have their fingers on the pulse of the country "get it"? In February 2010, and again in August 2010 I urged both Houses -- whe...
 
 
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12:37 PM on 04/07/2011
This plan appears tantamount to opening yet another front in the GOP's "War on Women."

P.S. Count me as one who believes that "Demography is destiny."
09:17 AM on 04/07/2011
This is the best advice I've heard. Let every congressperson go on record with their views. Let their constituents here the real cuts. The music will definitely change its tune.
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sharin
liberal and proud of it
08:46 AM on 04/07/2011
most of the probable GOP presidential candidates have already sand the praises of Ryan's road map (to destruction). Obama's admin hasn't said much about the road map yet ..... good for them! Let all these GOtP candidates get on board in public speeches and in writing, let them think Obama is going to cabe to anything they say, and then WHAM - Obama has a cudgel to use on them. Obama didn't get a majority of the older folks vote in 08 but this road map can get him a huge majority
go Obama!
05:34 AM on 04/07/2011
It's a good tactical idea.

Politically as a matter of getting things done, it's irrelevant. And so is everything happening in Congress vis a vis the budget. They're fighting over how much to increase the budget, when really the budget needs to be cut 30% from LAST YEAR.
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blknightowl
Independent, forced to vote a straight Dem ticket
05:18 AM on 04/07/2011
Okay, I agree somewhat. Inasmuch as it would get information out and the budget plan disseminated.

But, I am always leery of putting my trust in the intelligence of the public. I understand that this plan would let all see exactly where the Republicans are coming from. They are coming from a position where the 2% would run what's left of America. I can see that, and I'm already having a hard time trying to figure out why others don't.

If the Tea Party really thinks that this plan will solve a deficit and put America on track for prosperity, then I think we have a bigger problem in basic math among the general population, than was thought earlier.

So, okay, if the Ryan budget proposal goes for a vote, it may be good. It also may be our worst nightmare.
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mootown
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
08:17 AM on 04/07/2011
Correct. We can't count on the IGNORANT who need to see this and understand it in it's basic gross unfairness, to even "get it". We are in strange times and lies rule.
10:43 PM on 04/06/2011
With what's happened in Wisconsin it is time for the Democrats to push hard against the Republicans. I agree that bringing this stupidity to a vote would be a great idea.
Democrat in the South
Empathy, the most important word
11:03 PM on 04/06/2011
We should have an Anita Hill type hearing.
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littlewitch
losing faith in humanity one vote at a time
11:13 PM on 04/06/2011
You are right but the Repibs can't do that ...the facts might come out.
07:06 AM on 04/07/2011
"Pushing hard" against the Republicans would not be the bipartisan thing to do. Our leader demands that everyone jump on board his bipartisanship fetish.
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10:28 PM on 04/06/2011
With the health trends in red states, it seems to me this plan would mean the extinction of the Republican party in about one and a half generations.
Democrat in the South
Empathy, the most important word
11:04 PM on 04/06/2011
Now there's a thought. ;-)
05:35 AM on 04/07/2011
Actually with the census trends, the blue states are withering votes. Might go the other direction...
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12:33 PM on 04/07/2011
I think that may be "truthy" but not true.

Some blue states are losing electoral votes and seats, but those people may be moving to red states and making them bluer faster.
07:46 PM on 04/06/2011
Yes yes yes!!!!!
07:36 PM on 04/06/2011
The House played it too cute last November. The Democrats are always afraid to use their majority power where the Republicans are not. How will voters react when all these budget cuts hit home, I don't think well. Tax's will be on the table as well as Defense cuts and it is just a matter of time. The Republicans will not hold on to their gains in the house and they can forget the White House in 2012.
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07:31 PM on 04/06/2011
All well and good and I agree, it's a wise move. Nevertheless, I simply cannot believe this issue has gotten this far in the first place. Makes me wonder if the unholy trinity of Diebold, Citizens United, and Fox News really are in charge.
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07:16 PM on 04/06/2011
If the democrats had passed this budget back in April 2010 as they were obligated to do so, well the republicans would more than likely have the senate too. Either way if the President vetos the bill, Congress can pass it over his head, if they agree.
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Coyote50
"Taxes are the price we pay for civilization."
08:01 PM on 04/06/2011
The Ryan budget is for 2012 and beyond. It has nothing to do with this year. And there's no way the Senate would pass this and I'm not sure that all the Republicans would want to be on record as voting to defund Medicare. That's the point of the article.
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bitterindependent
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05:05 AM on 04/07/2011
ryans numbers don't add up....that is why NO republican that plans on running for president will support it..........for starters look up the 2.8 unemployment number he cites.....if you are serious
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Skunkman
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06:29 PM on 04/06/2011
Cutting Social Security would break a promise and betray a trust to Americans who pay into it. Social Security is not a handout. It is a social contract and commitment to workers who pay in and know what they will get out - no matter what their profession or economic status, and we cannot renege on that promise. As for Ryan & company they have no shame.

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littlewitch
losing faith in humanity one vote at a time
11:14 PM on 04/06/2011
AND people pay into it.
11:37 PM on 04/06/2011
Label me a tea bagger if you wish, but the large social safety nets are essentially Ponzi schemes. Whether they were designed as such or not. They're isn't enough money from young people (or, more simply, not enough young people) to fund government payments to the larger population of older people. The money put into the system by today's older people was spent as soon as they put it in. The numbers on government documents showing them how much they would get in the future were just that...numbers on paper.
11:51 PM on 04/06/2011
Should've been...There...sorry, I hate when I do that.
05:45 PM on 04/06/2011
First of all, am I wrong but wasn't it the responsibility of the Democrats to put forth a budget? I guess I must have been sleeping during that civics class.

I'm all in favor of bringing the Ryan budget to a vote. Let's all get behind this. Call your congressmen and tell them we are with them on this and put it to a vote!

Oh what wishful thinking.

I’ve got a real good idea, lets all get together and put on a play. Sorry wrong movie.

No, I’ve really got a great idea, why don’t we call our congressmen (you only need to call one group and you know who they are) and have them put together a budget that tells us how they are going to solve our huge financial mess, they created.
03:51 AM on 04/07/2011
They didn't all create it. There were members of Congress who warned us about all the red ink that would result from the Bush Tax Cuts and the Bush Wars. I think there were even a few who argued against deregulation of the financial sector, something that is widely credited with causing the Great Recession (although I tend to put the bulk of the blame on Mr. Greenspan).
05:41 PM on 04/06/2011
How about just formulating a Democrat budget, like they were supposed to do last year, and bringing that to a vote, as is required by law? They failed in their duty.
05:09 PM on 04/06/2011
How about Obama's deficit commission. Bring that to a vote.

What are you proposing - doing nothing?
05:46 PM on 04/06/2011
That commission was jsut cover for Obama and the progressives/socialists. Nothing more.