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Share Your Thoughts: What Will Happen on Nov. 7th If Millions Were Denied Their Right to Vote on Nov. 6th?

Posted: 04/14/2012 1:22 pm

Vice President Joe Biden has said, "This is not your grandfather's Republican party." He has not (yet) added, "and this will not be an election you learned in elementary school was the underpinning of democracy."

As the new right-wing voter suppression laws now stand, 3-5 million people will be denied the right to vote on Nov. 6, 2012.

That will include millions who have voted in elections for many years.

The very existence of those laws, plus dirty tricks like Governor Scott Walker's (R-WI) decision to close down government facilities "to save money" in areas where Democrats who do not currently have IDs would be likely to go to get them, is suppressing the vote every day including now.

Florida Republicans passed a law requiring registration forms be turned in within 48 hours, or the organization registering voters could be fined $50/form. As a result, groups such as the League of Women Voters that Republicans consider radicals have stopped registering new voters. Cute, huh?

Right-wing voter intimidation activities will escalate even beyond their usual levels. As in the past calls will be made to likely Democratic voters warning them that they may be arrested if they come to the polls and they are behind on their utility bills or rent, and/or they are told election day is really another day (a suggestion of man-of-god Mike Huckabee, as well) and/or they will be given the wrong polling place information and/or they will be told they may be subjected to violence.

Consider the additional opportunities for intimidation this time -- "if you arrive at the polling station without proper ID, you may be arrested for voter fraud that carries penalties of fines and up to 15 years in jail." The calls will be untraceable, and so no one will be held accountable.

When the dust settles, with so many millions disenfranchised, and with House, Senate and the presidential race skewed by these tactics, what will Nov. 7th be like?

Please reflect, and go to the comments section with your analysis. While you are at it, comment on what election day itself will be like -- millions of people going to the polls, standing on lines, and being denied their right to vote, tweeting like the Iranian opposition?

Will the Supreme Court again decide the outcome of the election, not just the presidential election, but for control of the House and Senate as well? If they had already invalidated, by a 5-4 decision, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, will they have an ounce of credibility left to do that? The same Court that decided the 2000 election in an opinion so embarrassing to them that it was unsigned and declared not to be used as precedent?

In answer to a lady's question, "What have you given us?" Benjamin Franklin is reported to have said, "a republic, madam, if you can keep it."

Can we?

Will November 7, 2012 be business-as-usual? Share your thoughts in the comments section.

 

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lrobb
Gold Standard = four paws and a tail
02:54 PM on 04/17/2012
Every single voter ID law is linked only to proof you are indeed an American eligible to vote in your district. No one is asking what race you are, where you go to church, whether or not you own property, if you are male or female, whether you can read and write or your sexual identification. In other words, there is no discrimination involved.

In order to get federal or state benefits, cash a check, get a library card, buy alcohol, go to school, get on a plane, take scuba lessons or pick up a prescription at a pharmacy--not to mention thousands of other things--you must have a picture ID. Is this discrimination?

If students want to vote all they have to do is register where they legally reside. If they are away from their polling place while at school they can vote absentee.

The only problem comes with the elderly who may have been born at home before birth certificates were issued in such cases. Every state, certainly South Carolina where I live, has agencies ready to help these people get IDs for free.

If there ever was a non-issue, this is it.
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Paul Abrams
06:39 PM on 04/17/2012
Yes, there are many people who do not fly, do not take SCUBA lessons, do not buy alcohol, and so forth--you have no appreciation of the lives that many of the disadvantaged in our society live. Most of them do not need a govt issued ID for anything they do, because they do not "touch" those activities that require them.
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lrobb
Gold Standard = four paws and a tail
02:54 AM on 04/18/2012
How can you be certain I have no understanding of how the disadvantaged live? I am a landlord. One of my minority tenants has a great aunt aged 85 who was born at home in rural South Carolina in 1927. She never had a birth certificate, but had voted every year since she turned 21. Yes, a black woman could vote in SC in 1948.

She wanted to make sure she could vote in 2012 so she applied to the state agency which helps get identification for people with no birth certificate. They sent her forms to fill out which included requiring her to get affidavits from relatives and list where she went to school.

Two weeks later a letter and certificate came in the mail which she took to the DMV and got a photo ID--free.

How, you ask could she get state and federal benefits without an ID? Well, she said she never needed them because her children and grandchildren always took care of her, and her doctor had never charged her a cent. The last time she was in the hospital was when her fourth child was born in 1957.

I have had the privilege of meeting this lady, and she is sharp as a tack. She also took the initiative to get the proper ID for voting because she wants to make sure her vote is counted. That is a perfect example of good citizenship.
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MrTaban9
09:11 AM on 04/26/2012
pick up a prescription at a pharmacy--

Well I do take issue with this statement. I have NEVER IN 67 YEARS ever had to show a Photo ID to pick up my prescriptions, not even in a new pharmacy I had never used, NEVER!. When I used to drink many years ago I NEVER EVER had to show a Photo ID to buy BOOZE, NEVER!. The rest of your statement seems right on but those two things I think you are mistaken on, at least where I lived and shopped you never had show ID for either of those two things.
02:16 PM on 04/17/2012
Greetings Paul and Citizens...

A Big Lie...

You creating a Big Lie. Why do I say that? Because the new rules for voter identification will prevent the Obama operatives from busing in people across state lines or transport undocumented citizens to the voting polls...

I do not expect you to allow this to be posted. I am sure that you will send this to the trash to prevent others from reading it..

Warm regards,

Michael Winters
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Paul Abrams
03:11 PM on 04/17/2012
You said it better than I did--the new laws are designed to prevent a problem that never existed!, and, based on that lie, will disenfranchise millions of students, elderly and poor, exactly what the Republicans need to have a chance of victory.

Thank you for your insight. You made the point better than I did.
03:54 PM on 04/17/2012
Paul

Thank you for responding. But you know that there was a problem in 2008 There were reports of voter fraud by key supporters of Obama in 2008. Here are a few and you tell me what you think..

The New York Post reported that ACORN submitted a voter registration card for a 7-year-old Bridgeport girl. Another 8,000 cards from the same city will be scrutinized for possible fraud

11 ACORN workers were accused of forging voter registration applications in Miami-Dade County during the last election. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the state attorney’s office scoured hundreds of suspicious applications provided by ACORN and found 197 of 260 contained personal ID information that did not match any living person.

Election officials in Indiana have thrown out more than 4,000 ACORN-submitted voter registrations after finding they had identical handwriting and included the names of many deceased Indianans, and even the name of a fast food restaurant

The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents.

There are many more and you know it
03:56 PM on 04/17/2012
PS..

An ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail.

Seven ACORN workers in the Pittsburgh area were indicted for submitting falsified voter registration forms. Six of the seven were also indicted for registering voters under an illegal quota system

ACORN activists gave Ohio residents cash and cigarettes in exchange for filling out voter registration card, according to the New York Post. Some voters claim to have registered dozens of times, and one man says he signed up on 72 cards
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TaiJi2
01:53 PM on 04/17/2012
"As the new right-wing voter suppression laws now stand, 3-5 million people will be denied the right to vote on Nov. 6, 2012."

B.S. Anyone who fails to satisfy the voting criteria has DISENFRANCHISED THEMSELVES.

If you're grown-up enough to vote, you're grown-up enough to get ID.
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thefreetradejoke
01:09 PM on 04/17/2012
Nothing, that's what will happen. Unless for some strange reason one were to still believe there is a difference between our two parties. So, to summarize, someone's going to win and it does not matter who, regarding their agenda. You asked. This is what I believe.
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demisfine
Often correct, NEVER right.
11:32 AM on 04/17/2012
I find it somewhat comforting that the GOP needs to court Hispanic Voters.
The very same voters whose votes republican governors have been working to suppress.
How, exactly does the GOP expect to increaase their share of a voting block whose votes are actively beign suppressed???
Are they going to allow Hispanics to vote only if they promise to cast a vote in the republican column????
12:43 PM on 04/17/2012
They are probably thinking that the Hispanic votes they are suppressing are only the poorer ones; the voters they are courting have the resources and desire to jump through the hoops necessary to make it past the walls they put up to vote.
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mrs young
Benghazi.......answers please..
11:17 AM on 04/17/2012
Those are some pretty serious charges the author is throwing about as facts.
At the very least it should be required that you show your registration card at the polls.
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Paul Abrams
11:50 AM on 04/17/2012
Those states are making it hard to register. See the linked Florida plan. And then, you still have to show up with a government issued, picture ID. If you are a high school or college student that does not have a car, a poor person who does not have a car, or elderly and cannot drive, then you will often not have government-issued picture ID. Student IDs don't count. In Texas, your ID to carry a gun DOES count.
Get it?
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TaiJi2
01:55 PM on 04/17/2012
"If you are a high school or college student that does not have a car, a poor person who does not have a car, or elderly and cannot drive, then you will often not have government-issued picture ID"

And if you're still not holding an ID in November, you've just plain failed in your civic duty. How 'bout we ask voters to take elections seriously, for a change?
itolduso
lateral thinker
12:01 PM on 04/17/2012
Every 'charge' the author made IS happening...and more. In Florida, voters are now required to renew their state photo I.D. 'in person' at a state tax collector/license facility - a serious burden to those who do not get paid leave from work, and for residents of nursing homes, and seniors with transportation issues (many seniors, who stopped driving years ago due to infirmity, simply kept their expired licenses to use for I.D. at the doctors office, pharmacy, and to vote-those are no longer accepted to vote) The documents required to renew an expired I.D/license are difficult to locate/order, time-consuming, and expensive - all of them must be 'certified', and for many seniors without access to a computer-are almost impossible to find.
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mrs young
Benghazi.......answers please..
06:45 PM on 04/17/2012
Ok - every photo ID has to be renewed in person because they have to take a new PHOTO. Also if the elderly are using expired ID's to accquire the services you suggest they and the providers accepting them are breaking the rule and laws that require the ID's to begin with. If you need to renew you do not need all the origional paperwork BTW. As for all the reasons you listed of why it is difficult - things can be hard sometimes - handle it when it is due or when you give up your license . Lastly you cannot renew a photo ID on ling - that pesky new photo thing again.
nothingchanges
too soon old, too late smart
10:52 AM on 04/17/2012
What will happen?

"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator,"

George W. Bush....................CNN December 18, 2000
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mjeffn
Freedom's just another word 4 nothing left to lose
10:36 AM on 04/17/2012
There is nothing wrong with the recent laws passed to prevent people from voting wrongly.
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Paul Abrams
11:51 AM on 04/17/2012
How would you feel if you had voted for decades and now, because you are elderly, you no longer have a driver's license and thus no photo ID, and so you were denied the right to vote?
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thefreetradejoke
01:08 PM on 04/17/2012
I'd go get a state issued ID card, typically using the same conveyance to get to that office as I would to get to the voting booth. If I'm capable of getting to the voting booth, I'm capable of getting to the DPS office.
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mjeffn
Freedom's just another word 4 nothing left to lose
03:07 PM on 04/17/2012
/snark on
/snark off

To answer your question, I would be filled with rage.
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mjeffn
Freedom's just another word 4 nothing left to lose
10:33 AM on 04/17/2012
Voting and going home is not enough. We must also vote with our bodies in the streets.
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cajundave
10:05 AM on 04/17/2012
The Republicans know there are more Democrats and therefore, they have to make sure a lot of them don't vote. What really drives me nuts is to see these Republican officials look right into the TV camera and claim that this will make voting results more legitimate and will be good for our democracy. They must have completely forgotten that Rove said that if they could cut 10% of the Democrats out, they could win every election. The Democrats are going to have to really be motivated this year to do what ever they have to in order to cast their vote. The only way to stop this insanity is to vote out all of these crazy RW lawmakers at every level.
09:44 AM on 04/17/2012
I believe this is another issue that will backfire on Republicans. Actually it is proving to be a great motivator. Tell me I can't and I'll show you I can. Yes We Can! There will be more registered voters and people on the ground making sure people get the proper ID. Thanks Republicans.
09:19 AM on 04/17/2012
If you have a legal ID you don't need to worry. If you are illegal and don't have a valid ID, you have plenty to worry about. Illegal aliens called people who even ask for an ID a "racist" as if to cancel out the request as something unlawful.
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Avak
I think, therefore I am liberal
11:29 AM on 04/17/2012
You are wrongly assuming that everyone who doesn't have a government issued ID is illegal. There are multitudes of legal American citizens who don't have one. Many of them are Democrats who are either financially strapped or rurally located. A growing number of young voters don't have ID, too. This isn't about keeping illegal immigrants from voting -- it's about keeping as large a number of Democrats from voting as they can. Republicans know it's their only chance. But if it works everyone would do well to remember that our Democratic Republic would no longer be about the people.
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Paul Abrams
11:47 AM on 04/17/2012
Yes, but many citizens don't have a legal ID because a) they don't drive a car; and b) they have no other reason to have an ID. That includes the poor, the elderly, and college students. THe latter have ID, but the states that want to suppress the vote were very careful to exclude student IDs as valid for voting purposes.
Get it?
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TaiJi2
01:59 PM on 04/17/2012
"a) they don't drive a car; and b) they have no other reason to have an ID."

a) Not driver's license, but ID
b) Now they do; why isn't voting a sufficient reason?
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scorpions5
Facts do not cease to exist when ignored.
09:18 AM on 04/17/2012
This has been the plan of the republicans for a long time. They are targeting the poor, disabled, and elderly who normally vote democratic. This is the only way they can win. I am not surprised since they have been planning this since Obama was elected. It started with ACORN, when they took that down and then in 2010 people voted in the conservatives to introduce and get passed the voter id laws, plus the anti abortion laws. This all was planned, unfortuantely they never ran on these issues it was all about the economy and jobs, but this was their true agenda. We were all lied to that is why we must vote them all out for the next 100 years.
09:12 AM on 04/17/2012
I've been an election judge for the past several elections, and the same-day registration lines have been LONG. A LOT of people forget - or don't know - that they are no longer registered, or that they had to re-register even if they moved across the street. Some tried to sweet-talk me out of following the registration requirements, which were clearly posted. They were mostly white. Odds are that they weren't all Democrats.

I'm not sure I want to be an election judge here in MN if the Voter ID Amendment passes. They would need to have police present.
09:05 AM on 04/17/2012
What will we do? Like Dec. 12, 2000, when the Supremes took the velvet glove off the iron fist and appointed GWB, we'll rant in anger and horror, whether on the phone, via e-mail or tweet, and say SOMEONE should do something about it!
12:44 PM on 04/17/2012
Thanks, you saved me the typing.