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Gun violence in Chicago is boiling. Toddlers are being shot. The number of homicides in Chicago this year is only slightly below the number of our military personnel killed in Iraq and Afghanistan this year. And now two Illinois state legislators say the answer may be to bring in the National Guard.

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As a former mayor, I know cities need all the help they can get in fighting crime, but do we want to concede that it's time for military intervention? Still, this suggestion is worthy of debate -- not because it would be a sensible solution, but because it helps focus attention on how desperate the need is in too many parts of our country to do something now about the shootings, the injuries and the deaths.

One of the problems with this proposal to bring in armed troops to deal with an armed population of criminals is its potential to make a bad situation worse. In a way, it's not much different from what the gun pushers keep telling us. They say the problem is not that the bad guys have guns, it's that not enough good guys with guns are countering them. But do we really want to be like Baghdad circa 2005? More guns in more places leads to more gun violence -- whether accidental, unplanned, or intentional.

But cowardice in the face of the gun lobby drives elected officials to push more guns into more places, and even leads a company like Starbucks to allow guns in its stores. Alarmingly, the Starbucks officials say one of the reasons they're for it is they don't want their employees to have to ask customers with guns to leave - after all, those customers are armed.

So what we're being told, either by elected officials or private sector officials, is that we don't want to do things to restrict access to guns or where guns are taken, because we don't have the guts to upset the people with lots of guns. We just try to stack the deck and "escalate the conflict" by trying to get more "good guys" (who we hope won't make mistakes) with guns in our communities to counter the "bad guys" with guns.

Instead of conceding defeat, let's take steps to make it harder for dangerous people to get dangerous weapons. That's the proactive approach. That's the courageous approach.

If we stopped the illegal trafficking in guns, and strengthened the ability of law enforcement officials to prevent shootings before they happened, then we wouldn't have to be talking about calling in the National Guard.

Unless we wise up now and do the work needed to prevent a rise in gun violence, then this National Guard suggestion may be a glimpse forward into the future, when troops in our cities are the only option decision makers will think they have for dealing with 20-month-old children dying from gunshots.

 
 
 
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10:39 PM on 05/11/2010
Interesting concept: "If we . . . strengthened the ability of law enforcement officials to prevent shootings before they happened, then we wouldn’t have" this problem.

But just how would you suggest that we do that?

Perhaps we'd start by giving the police the power to stop, search, and question anyone whom they think might be about to commit a crime? That might help "prevent shootings before they happened", to be sure. Of course, we'd also have to do away with any pesky requirements that there be some probable cause for the stop.

Then again, so few shootings happen in the presence of a police officer that we'd naturally have to have more police presence on the streets, in the alleys, in the stores, and in the homes. You wouldn't mind that, and the associated tax increases, would you?

Perhaps I've misinterpreted here. Perhaps you mean that we should change our culture to one which does not encourage violence as an acceptable response to anything except unprovoked aggression. If that's indeed what you mean, then I'm all in favor of it -- but I don't agree that that is the province of our police.

For now, in the world in which we live, I'll have to throw my lot in with those who think that the good guys should be armed. After all, good guys (including police, National Guard, and non-aggressive private citizens) greatly outnumber bad guys. That way, when the bad guys do bad things, they'll quickly be stopped.
11:21 PM on 05/07/2010
Here is a link to a Chicago Sun-Times article which provides some real information about crime in Chicago. Information which provides a counter balance to all the misinformation and disinformation which is posted by the uninformed and the ill-informed. http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/2204252,CST-NWS-crime27.article or Google: Chicago has come a long way
09:15 AM on 05/05/2010
Moutonnoir, I have been usin guns (hunting and target) for about 30 years.My children have been shooting since they turned eight years old (target only they are Vegan.) Thats a combined total of 50 years of access and use of firearms.The most important lesson this hobby can teach a person is no matter what you can not "lose your temper" because you now have the capacity to end another (or your own) life. If you can equate a firearm with a fire extinguisher its something you have and hope you never need. As far as the type of gun used I would prefer my 12gauge pump shotgun over my Semi auto AK any time,the lesson is its not the gun its the person using it.By the way my youngest daughter at the age of 12 stopped a potential burgler who was attemping to climb through her bedroom window without firing a shot. The local police were very supportive and spoke with my daughter about the incident explaing that she used good judgement by NOT pulling the trigger.My point is anyone can misuse anything including drugs,volitile chemicals ect. what we have is a people problem not a gun problem.
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07:35 PM on 05/04/2010
I agree with the premise that we need to work harder at getting access to guns much more restricted. The sad thing is that such common sense ideas as a strict licensing system elicit hysterical shrieks from the gun crowd.. It is really quite alarming, and without real leadership on a national level, we are doomed.

We need to close gunshow loopholes, make interstate trafficking of weapons a very serious offense, and actually enforce the 10 year minimum sentence laws for people caught with an illegal firearm.
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09:39 PM on 05/04/2010
" The sad thing is that such common sense ideas as a strict licensing system elicit hysterical shrieks from the gun crowd."

Declaring a position to be "common sense" is an inherent appeal to the "poisoning the well" fallacy.


"We need to close gunshow loopholes"

Please describe these loopholes. Explain how they specifically relate to "gun shows".
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09:54 AM on 05/05/2010
"The sad thing is that such common sense ideas as a strict licensing system elicit hysterical shrieks from the gun crowd."

This is not necessarily true.

First, all but the most extreme fringes of "the gun crowd" embrace the registration of machineguns and other "restricted" weapons and point out that it has been highly successful in preventing the use of these weapons in crime. No one is illegally selling registered machineguns because (inter alia) they can be traced back to the seller. This is exactly what is NOT going on with non-"restricted" weapons, e.g. handguns and rifles -- because many can't be traced.
Why the cognitive dissonance when it comes to registering guns? In my view, it relates to how the issue is framed. Registration is seen as *facilitating* the ownership of machineguns, so they don't necessarily earn the "anti-gun" label. When it comes to handguns, the issue has been successsfully portrayed as a "prelude to confiscation."

Second, "the gun crowd" has its own objectives. Front and center among them is the fact that in some parts of the country (like the Northeast) people face an inconsistent patchwork of state and local laws. Registration could be passed if it was tied to actual benefits to gun owners. For example -- preclusion of inconsistent laws, and authorization to acquire guns in interstate commerce. This goes back to defining the issue in terms of protecting rights.
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12:52 PM on 05/06/2010
I am fairly certain that I could get an AR15, spend some time on forums, and have a new reciever or whatever it is within a few days.

If I got the AR at a gun show, there would probably be no meaningful paper trail.

Am I missing something?
05:08 PM on 05/03/2010
Haven't we been trying and failing to do that with illegal drugs for several decades? Seems to be working like a charm.
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07:36 PM on 05/04/2010
There has been zero attempt to stem the flow of guns. Zero. It is all shocking, but any one of us could have a fully automatic weapon, or equally destructive weapon, in a few hours to a few days, depending on location.
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09:40 PM on 05/04/2010
For what reason, then, are fully automatic firearms so rarely criminally misused?
12:09 PM on 05/05/2010
You are completely brainwashed by the anti-gun kool-aid. The fact is, that fully-automatic weapons are tightly regulated by the 1934 National Firearms Act. In order to own such a weapon, one has to first get a signature of approval from the "Chief Law Enforcement Officer" in one's area (police chief, sheriff, state attorney) and this individual can deny to give approval for any reason. Next, the person has to pay a $200 Federal Transfer Tax, and apply with the federal gov through a BATF Form 4. The processing of this form takes approximately 90 days, in which time the FBI conducts a thorough background check of the applicant. Only once the transfer come back approved, can the individual take possession of the weapon.

It also has to be mentioned that the registry for legally transferable "machine guns" was closed in 1986, meaning only those weapons manufactured and registered prior to 1986 can be legally owned. This has made these weapons become extremely expensive. Even the cheapest of legally own-able machine guns is well over $5000.
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03:41 PM on 05/03/2010
"Instead of conceding defeat, let's take steps to make it harder for dangerous people to get dangerous weapons. That's the proactive approach."

How do we do that? And if that is indeed the goal, then why does so much of the discussion focus on carry laws?
04:41 PM on 05/02/2010
Paul really seems to be losing his usual batch of supporters
01:43 AM on 05/02/2010
Has anyone else noticed a flurry of blogs entries by Helmke and Henigan as of late? They are averaging like 2 a week in the last month or so. What gives?
03:33 AM on 05/02/2010
They expect to have their assets handed to them in McDonald and are trying to come up with a "reason" to keep their unConstitutional gun laws on the books
12:49 PM on 05/02/2010
Even if they lose McDonald won't they just spin it to their benefit like they did with Heller?
11:58 PM on 04/30/2010
1. The state of Illinois recently cut state police budget and reduced patrols on Chicago highways, and CPD are having to pick up the slack, stretching them thin across the city.
2. State legislators make dramatic and stupid gesture to draw attention to the problem.
3. Chicago Police Superintendent Jodi Weis says thanks, but no thanks.
4. Brady Campaign looks for an angle to score political points for its pet issue while ignoring the poverty, cultural issues, institutional neglect, racist history, misguided budgetary priorities, and government corruption that created the violence problem in Chicago.

Sad.
08:29 AM on 05/01/2010
The Brady Campaign also ignores the fact that Chicago already had gun-control so strict as to be unconstitutional (complete outright bans), what else can they want? If the Brady Campaign was correct and stricter gun laws made areas safer, they should be able to places like Chicago and DC as having extremely low crime rates. Instead, Paul has to admit these anti-gun havens are some of the worst crime ridden areas in the nation.
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08:00 PM on 04/30/2010
Paul wrote: "One of the problems with this proposal to bring in armed troops to deal with an armed population of criminals is its potential to make a bad situation worse. In a way, it's not much different from what the gun pushers keep telling us. They say the problem is not that the bad guys have guns, it's that not enough good guys with guns are countering them. But do we really want to be like Baghdad circa 2005? More guns in more places leads to more gun violence -- whether accidental, unplanned, or intentional".

Paul, do you realize that the logic of the above argument supports the idea that we should disarm the police? You are saying the NG will make a bad situation worse because "[m]ore guns in more places leads to more gun violence -- whether accidental, unplanned, or intentional".

I doubt if that is what you really wish to advocate and I would bet that if the police were disarmed, the situation would get worse not better. I bet you think the same thing, but it totally destroys the premise of argument.
08:36 AM on 05/01/2010
So, Paul is actually publicly admitting that he would rather the criminals to be the only ones armed, if the alternative is armed police/military to combat their victimization of society. !!! WOW
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07:38 PM on 05/04/2010
There is real logic behind the notion that we should disarm the police.
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09:00 PM on 05/04/2010
Indeed there is some logic to disarming the police. Some countries do so to a degree in that they do not have the cop on the beat armed with a firearm. However, they are invariably armed with some sort of weapon, such as a billy club and they invariably have backup units which do have firearms.

If Paul would advocate that policy, I would have greater respect for his analysis even though I would disagee with it. However, I do not think Paul thinks that the police should be disarmed and I do not believe he will advocate that the police should be disarmed.... and therein lies the logical fallacy of Paul's argument.
05:56 PM on 05/16/2010
Helmke would be more believable if he did that
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04:49 PM on 04/30/2010
According to the Philadelphia Inquirer http://www.philly.com/inquirer/special/violence/20070410_Profiling_the_citys_gun_violence.html "Almost 85 percent of shooters and victims have criminal records." in that city. Could Chicago be so very different?
05:47 PM on 04/30/2010
Chicago is about 90/70.
04:27 PM on 04/30/2010
How can anybody take this guy seriously? Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the nation, and yet Helmke can't figure out that criminals don't obey laws. That why they're called criminals, Paul. More legislation isn't going to stop "illegal trafficking" -- how well has that worked out with drug trafficking?

Data reliably and consistently show that crimes rates decline in areas where rates of legal gun ownership are higher. This makes intuitive sense; criminals are less likely to strike when they are uncertain about meeting an armed response.
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07:38 PM on 05/04/2010
Criminals are basically handed guns. Look into it. Rural gun shows DO drive urban gun violence.
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09:41 PM on 05/04/2010
"Criminals are basically handed guns. Look into it. Rural gun shows DO drive urban gun violence."

Please substantiate these assertions.
04:22 PM on 04/30/2010
"If we ... strengthened the ability of law enforcement officials to prevent shootings before they happened, ...

Unless we wise up now ... then this National Guard suggestion may be a glimpse forward into the future, when troops in our cities are the only option..."

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The concern raised in the article is that imposition of government military control is bad. I agree. We do not want to live in a police state. However, the alternative proposed - "strengthening the ability of law enforcement" by curbing civil liberties - is not particularly different. In either case, you have government actors taking increased control of the citizens.
04:37 PM on 05/01/2010
They cant even manage their youth camps how will they manage cities?

http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=583519
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02:52 PM on 04/30/2010
The problem is gangs. Every person with any common sense recognizes the true problem. It is not guns. It is the gang members and criminals who are the product of liberal social engineering.
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04:50 PM on 04/30/2010
"…the consensus is that no more than five to ten people in a hundred who die by gunfire in Los Angeles are any loss to society. These people fight small wars amongst themselves. It would seem a valid social service to keep them well-supplied with ammunition."
Cooper's Corner, Guns and Ammo
03:35 AM on 05/02/2010
I don't know about you, but I don't mind criminals shooting each other
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07:39 PM on 05/04/2010
Every person with common sense stays as far from guns as possible.
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09:41 PM on 05/04/2010
You are appealing to the "poisoning the well" fallacy.
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08:30 AM on 05/11/2010
Is it then true that the millions of people who enjoy/use/carry firearms have no common sense? What is the "common sense" that keeps people away from firearms? Please explain.
Semper fi
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02:50 PM on 04/30/2010
Chicago already has some of the strictest gun laws in the country and has among the highest crime rates. Gun control has already proven a complete failure in Chicago.