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Sarah Palin and the NRA: Up in Arms Over Nothing

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I was in Charlotte on Friday to debate Alan Gura, the lawyer who brought the Second Amendment cases against DC and Chicago, at an event sponsored by the local chapter of the Federalist Society. As it happens, there was a somewhat bigger event in town at the same time: the NRA Convention. Every year at this event, we hear more of the same fear-mongering: "your guns are going to be outlawed; your guns are going to be confiscated; hunting will be banned; you won't be able to have a gun in your own home". The politicians, celebrities, and NRA leaders say these same self-serving things every year because they ignore the facts - guns haven't been banned in this country and the Constitution, as well as politics, makes it clear that they won't be banned next year, or any year.

The most popular speaker for the NRA this year was apparently former Vice-Presidential candidate Sarah Palin. The Associated Press article summarized her talk: "Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could." Her version of "the sky is falling" (after briefly acknowledging that President Obama hasn't done anything to push common sense measures to reduce gun violence) was this statement: "Don't doubt for a minute that, if they thought they could get away with it, they would ban guns and ban ammunition and gut the Second Amendment".

Now Palin, of course, failed to mention why President Barack Obama, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, or anyone else is unable to ban guns. Two years ago, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in the case District of Columbia v. Heller that total gun bans violate the Second Amendment's individual right to own a gun in the home for self-defense. Justice Scalia, quoted approvingly by Palin in her speech, did make it clear in Heller, however, that this right, like all other rights in the Constitution, "is not unlimited". Despite Palin's scare tactics, gun bans and confiscations are out of the picture, but the common sense gun laws that I, and the Brady Campaign, promote- like background check on all gun purchases, being able to stop suspected terrorists from purchasing guns, and cracking down on illegal gun trafficking as a way to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people - are perfectly acceptable.

This is not just a problem with Palin's speech, of course, because all of the NRA speakers followed the same script. As they did last year. And the year before.

What's even more ridiculous is the fact that the public, gun owners in general, and NRA members disagree with the NRA leadership and their politician buddies with regard to the common sense gun laws mentioned above. This is why they have to raise the specter of mythical gun bans and use scare tactics to ensure they maintain their financial and membership support.

Lake Research recently conducted a poll for the Brady Center that found a majority of Americans oppose people carrying loaded guns openly in public. Rasmussen conducted a poll on the same topic, and found similar results. The Mayors Against Illegal Guns conducted a poll in December that showed 69 percent of NRA gun-owners support requiring all gun sellers at gun shows to conduct Brady background checks of the people buying guns, and that 82 percent of NRA gun-owners support prohibiting people on the terrorist watch list from purchasing guns.

So when will the NRA's leaders admit that no one is coming to take away their guns? Never. How could they raise money to pay their big salaries otherwise? There is no appeasing them. They're not happy even though they can now carry guns into our national parks. They aren't content now that they've destroyed the District of Columbia's latest chance at getting an elected representative in Congress. They aren't even satisfied with the U.S. Supreme Court ruling that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to keep a gun in the home for self-defense.

Tennessee State Legislator Joe McCord recently spoke out against an NRA bill to allow people to carry guns into bars and restaurants that serve alcohol, and summed up the problem as follows: "The NRA is not right here, and we're not standing up to them... It makes me wonder, what line will we not cross for the NRA? I'm just curious. At what point do we say this is too much?'"

Our elected officials in the White House, Congress, and state legislatures across the country need to stand up to the NRA bosses now and take steps to reduce gun violence in this country. If they don't, then the deaths and injuries will continue. The lines being crossed because of their quest to get more guns in more places are making our world more dangerous everyday.

 
 
 
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teetee5225
01:43 AM on 06/03/2010
The NRA is nothing but a group of old man's hunting club taking peoples membership money. As anyone looked into how much the NRA board makes a year. Gun ownership yes, common sense gun control laws yes. Drop the NRA no one is going to take your guns away.
08:40 PM on 05/27/2010
Let us examine what Lake Research Partners has to say in their own words about the service they provide to their clients...

"Issue Advocacy and Message Development
The right message to the right audience wins the day. LRP is one of the most reputable firms in providing issue advocacy organizations with research that shapes the debate and leads to winning policy outcomes. LRP’s research goes well beyond telling us where the public is, providing a path on how to get to where our clients want to go. Our research methods help develop a vocabulary and messages that are thoroughly tested, that resonate with the public and decision makers, and that stand up to the opposition. "

http://www.lakeresearch.com/services/index.asp

Nice try Paul, but we have google. Maybe you've heard of it?
12:17 PM on 05/27/2010
Jadelynn continues to play top of the thread with her typical lying cant
11:43 AM on 05/27/2010
As we all know, most NRA members actually support a ban on assault weapons. So, the claim that the NRA has any sort of power on this issue is absurd.


What is amusing is that Harry Reid--who may well lose his race in Nov.--will be replaced by Sen. Chuck Schumer. I'm guessing Schumer will be a bit tougher on assault weapons than Reid.

Well, this is what the NRA gets when it joined up with the Teabaggers.
12:20 PM on 05/27/2010
Schumer is a well known gun banner--but even HE knows the votes aren't there and is not ready to get into a pissing contest with the Supreme Court and the voters when he knows Brady style gun bans are a sure loser for anyone voting for it
02:01 PM on 05/27/2010
"we all know" that 'Lynn' generates his own 'facts' w/o being able to provide any evidence.

Kind of like when he claimed there were more deaths by meteorites in the US than justifiable homicides with firearms.

Or that Chicago is bigger than New York City.
07:54 AM on 05/27/2010
Much to his own chagrin, Helkme might be right:

Not only will the White House not make good on candidate Obama's promise to revive the ban or Holder's announced decision to do so, it won't even talk about the assault weapons ban. Not a word. The reason is obvious: Obama and his aides don't want to spark a backlash from the NRA and voters who cling to their guns—especially as Democrats ride toward a difficult mid-term election. On this dicey topic, Obama cares most about ducking a political bullet.

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/05/obama-puts-silencer-assault-weapons-ban

Seems O really was upset about that 'F' the BC assigned him.
08:18 PM on 05/26/2010
The NRA is really showing disdain for its membership with Sarah Palin.

Let's face it; 7 out of 10 Americans view Palin as "unqualified" to be either President or VP. She quit her office as Gov. of AK for no other purpose but to enrich herself.

And who enriches her? Who supports Sarah Palin? It's the low-information voter. It's the voter who doesn't blame Palin for being unprepared and confused by even the most basic current events--but blames others for Palin's inability to give a coherent or nonabsurd answer. It's the voter who believes slogans are a valid substitute for actual policy.

Basically, the NRA leadership is telling its membership they are Sarah Palin's audience. The low-information voter.
01:29 PM on 05/26/2010
"P.S So far no I and a couple others who have looked cannot find any evidence he appeared on Glenn Beck's shows. "

A pretty standard response from OE; he will claim that he --and several unnamed others--have thoroughly researched the issue and have found no evidence. Of course, this "research" apparently consists of OE and several of his cats looking into the bottom of an empty Cheetos bag.

On Oct 9, 2009, Glenn Beck's 9/12 Project Website announced "Two Exceptional Nights with Jerry Kane" where callers would get "valuable" advice on avoiding foreclosures and credit card payments.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
08:34 PM on 05/26/2010
There was an ADVERTISEMENT, posted by a BLOGGER, in a BLOG, for a WEBCAST to take place on a completely different site. Jerry Kane did NOT appear on Glenn Beck's radio or TV show. He did not even appear on the 9/12 website which Beck is associated with.

IOW, what I said was true.

Glenn beck may have some helical fastners which aren't tightened to the correct torque specs and I wouldn't mind some really good dirt on him to shut him up, but if people want to castigate him they really should use some actual verifiable facts.
11:38 AM on 05/27/2010
No, sadly what you claimed is not true.

As usual.

It wasn't an advertisement in the sense that Kane paid to run it. In point of fact, Beck's 9/12 website doesn't accept paid advertisements. Additionally, Beck's website is moderated--so if someone wanted to discuss what a moron Beck is, that would disappear down the rabbit hole.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
08:34 PM on 05/26/2010
Now, how about you get back to trying to tell everyone what a firearm expert you are and how in your universe filing down a firing pin will make a semi-auto AK fire full-auto, when in the real universe it simply makes the firearm inoperable.
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momcat54
05:02 PM on 05/23/2010
I;m assuming you have checked out the story about the killing in AK ? A man and his teenage son killed two police officers there with assault rifles, He was, in my favorite phrase, a nut job loony toon ,who had been arrested on occasion and appeared on Glen Beck Yet he could purchase weapons, not that appearing on Glen Beck should exclude you from buying a weapon . welll,,,,, maybe
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
11:17 PM on 05/23/2010
No assault rifles were used. One firearm used was a semi-auto assault weapon. As a category, rifles as a whole are only used a handful of homicides every year, and only a few of those rifles meet the 1994 definition of assault weapon.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
03:03 AM on 05/24/2010
P.S. So far no I and a couple others who have looked cannot find any evidence he appeared on Glenn Beck's shows.
BlackTantalus
Historian/ex-ad-exec/liberal/Lexus-driver
04:38 PM on 05/23/2010
Why, do you imagine, that people who rant about their 2nd Amendment rights never read the whole amendment? And they never cite the complete passage about guns, always editing out the first clause; not the second clause; not Santa Claus; the first clause, which reads, “In order to maintain a well-regulated militia . . . .â€

They delete it because they don’t know it’s there, because they’ve never actually read the primary documents of America’s founding. They can only parrot what degenerates tell them. So what’s Antonin Scalia’s excuse?
07:57 PM on 05/23/2010
the pro RKBA people are very aware of the "well regulated militia" portion, but are also aware that the the 2nd amendment protects a robust INDIVIDUAL RKBA--before making a complete f00l of yourself--try reading Heller
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
11:19 PM on 05/23/2010
"the first clause, which reads, “In order to maintain a well-regulated militia . . . .†"

LOL... Looks like you need to go back to the drawing board and re-read what the amendment actually sayd, since your quote is most definitely not correct.
BlackTantalus
Historian/ex-ad-exec/liberal/Lexus-driver
03:12 PM on 05/23/2010
Why is the NRA preoccupied with hand guns? No interest in rifles or hunting. Just handguns. Inquiring minds want to know!
07:58 PM on 05/23/2010
I own and shoot both--and if you truly had an inquiring mind--you would have already been familiar with Heller and outgrown being a second rate snert
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
11:20 PM on 05/23/2010
Your premise is in fact incorrect.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
02:34 PM on 05/22/2010
"Now Palin, of course, failed to mention why President Barack Obama, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, or anyone else is unable to ban guns. " - Paul

Quite simply, they can't because of people like myself and the NRA. If you or the others like you had your way, they would be able to. Remember, you and your friends filed against Heller and argued that the 2nd does not protect an individual right.
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02:13 PM on 05/22/2010
i'm for gun control, but not a ban. what changed my mind? George Bush. i can actually see the need for a revolution if his kind of policies, and same thinking comrads continue to go down the path he was taking us.
i am not impressed with Obama. he has kept many of the Bush policies in place, and is moving too slow for my taste to change them (if he ever plans to).
04:06 PM on 05/22/2010
As soon as Obama was elected he lobbied to renew the Patriot Act, which he has now done twice and Eric Holder is on youtube stating that he will expand the warrantless wiretapping program.
BlackTantalus
Historian/ex-ad-exec/liberal/Lexus-driver
03:02 PM on 05/23/2010
. . . let me tell you about atomic bombs.
08:00 PM on 05/23/2010
and the only people who claim to support "private" ownership of nukes all have major hysterical hissy fits at the idea of individuals owning guns
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momcat54
05:40 PM on 05/21/2010
This is just another ploy by Palin other Republican to whip up the masses . They claim they KNOW obama wants to ban all guns, come to homes and rips guns from the hands of owners. Nonsense but great theater, Personally I want them all registered and checked and doubled checked . There are too many loony toons out there who get guns, too many men wh equate guns with manliness . My husband and son hunt they don't need assault rifles to do so . Hand guns are not needed either. Our Government isn't going to take away your guns they'll still be there even if your brain is gone.
08:12 PM on 05/21/2010
"Personally I want them all registered and checked and doubled checked . There are too many loony toons out there who get guns, too many men wh equate guns with manliness ." and "My husband and son hunt they don't need assault rifles to do so . Hand guns are not needed either. "

1. So, you only want the Constitution to protect the firearms that you find applicable for your own personal usage (hunting). Way to demonstrate the arrogant elitism that your side is characterized for.

2. You ( and possibly your husband and your son) are too ignorant of firearms to be hunters. For one, the most powerful ammo used in "Assault Weapons" (the 7.62x39 round of the AK47) has roughly the same ballistics of the common 30-30 round (1800 ft-lbs of energy), and has over 1000 ft-lbs of energy less than the energy of the common 30-06 round (3000 ft-lbs of energy). Also, there are numerous hunting rifles on the market that use the same "semi-automatic" operational design as "assault weapons." Secondly, there are a number of hunters out there that DO use handguns for hunting. To suggest otherwise further demonstrates your ignorance of hunting.
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momcat54
09:01 PM on 05/21/2010
Actually before my son was allowed to hunt he had to take a course in gun safty, we are responsible parents. I haven't picked up a rifle in about thirty years but I'm fairly sure I could still pick off just about anything I aimed at .I am from Texas and I recieved a 22 when I turned 11.. We are red necks but not ignorant ones. . . Further , my son and husband are SPORTSMEN who hunt with a bow this also this tends to be a little more sportsman like.. Do Not condesend to tell me anything about hunting or guns I grew up with them , I don't like them but I have a very healthy respect for them. I respect them enough to want to keep them out of the hands nut jobs and loony toons. This does not make me an elitist this makes me cautious , it makes me a respector of human life and it's fragility. It takes nine months to make a human life and an instant to snuff it out. I have no objection to you havng a gun unless you are a criminal or a nut job,are you either one?

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08:55 PM on 05/21/2010
Check Obama's voting record then get back to us.

http://www.ontheissues.org/barack_obama.htm#Gun_Control
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Don Gwinn
Chicago Gun Rights Examiner
08:18 PM on 05/19/2010
Sarah Palin didn't create the meme that Barack Obama would love to ban guns but doesn't have the votes because gun owners work too hard politically. President Obama said that himself on the campaign trail in Pennsylvania, remember? He said that the "sportsmen in the back of the hall" should vote for him because "even if I wanted to ban your guns, I don't have the votes."

Your attempt at dishonesty rests on the assumption that your audience is composed of idiots. We heard what the President said when he was campaigning for his present office. Did Sarah Palin make him say it?

Those of us here in Illinois also have our memories of state Senator Obama's sponsorship of gun bans, plus his comments in committees where Mayor Daley's water-carriers were trying to push bans through. I sat in the committee room and listened to Obama explain that he was sure that an "assault weapons ban" that would have banned deer hunters' shotguns and required the arrest of police officers and National Guardsmen for carrying AR-15 rifles on duty could be made to work out for everyone if we could all just compromise. His suggestion was to add an exception for "legitimate collectors to own these machine guns." Of course, the bill had nothing to do with machine guns, but he couldn't be expected to know that; he'd have had to read the thing ahead of time.
08:33 PM on 05/19/2010
Somewhere around the house I have a mailer I got from David Plouffe(sp?) stating that since Obama was from Chicago, he alone knew the dangers from full-automatic weapons on our streets and he would make the AWB permanent.

I sent an email to Plouffe mentioning that the AWB had nothing to do with full-autos to which he replied that it did. I then replied and offered a $20,000 donation to Obama's campaign if he could show me any text of the expired AWB that mentioned full-autos. I never heard back.

Of course that was quite awhile ago. Haven't heard a peep out of the Messiah since he got elected.
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05:25 PM on 05/21/2010
NRA = GunBanObama
12:18 PM on 05/26/2010
So show the pro-gun measures he endorsed before being elected. Then compare them to his anti-gun measures and statements.
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rikilii
Hush, was the first word you were taught...
04:05 PM on 05/19/2010
Color me confused. Tell me again why we need MORE laws to "crack down on illegal gun trafficking"? Unless my English is rusty, I think it's already illegal, yet all we ever hear about is how single mothers who were supposedly duped by their boyfriends into making illegal straw purchases are let off with a slap on the wrist, because, OH DEAR, think of the children!!!

If you want to crack down, crack the eff down, and sew up your bleeding hearts for all the poor disadvantaged gang mothers that are feeding guns into the hands of their thug whelps.
08:35 PM on 05/19/2010
The Brady Bunch doesn't care about illegal gun trafficking. They know that the vast majority of gun owners are legit so that is their target. Their goal is to make it so cumbersome to own/use guns that people give up the 2A Right voluntarily.
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David C Boyer
03:28 PM on 05/21/2010
Can you guys explain to me what the importance of owning pistols or semiautomatic rifles is anyway? If we need them to protect ourselves from the government, I think the war is lost, they have fighter planes and tanks... If they are for hunting, why do I need more than two shots? (I'll take my over-under, thank you.) And if they are for home defense, aren't shotguns still the best? Why are people so obsessed with owning things that are only good killing people. I am not trying to antagonize you all, I am asking for real.
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05:23 PM on 05/21/2010
You are purposefully ignoring the illegal gun trafficking in our nation and internationally. And internationally, most come from the US.

What's cumbersome about licensing and criminal background checks? I want guns taxed.